edwardre

Trader....ANY Khorns, even if in a 'constrained' environment, are better than NO Khorns! You will be able to judge for yourself whether or not you need to one day move to a larger room. But at least you HAVE Khorns TO move should you find yourself with a 'winfall' of space in the future. Many moons ago, I was pidgeon-holed into a 1 bdrm apt in the armpit of the Bay Area, Milpitas. The 'living room' was about 10'x12', with over half the 12' expanse occupied by an 8' sliding door and the other 12' expanse opened up to the kitchen/dining area. Putting my Khorns along the 10' wall was my only option. They still sounded great. Also made for 'sweet revenge' when the tweakers upstairs would conduct what I can only describe as 2AM greased pig wrestling noises. ------------------ Ed

I think those are gorgeous Khorns. Very well kept with an obviously large amount of pride. As I too haven't the appropriate corners, I was going to do an 'inset' much like these. But I bagged the idea in favor of 'outside' containment for the very reason that HDBR mentioned.....I wasn't sure how 3/4"(+) reduction in horn 'width' would affect the sound. Additionally, it would appear to me that if the 'cornermost' edge of the false wall was not beveled at a 45 degree angle, wouldn't some of the sound reflecting off the tailpiece get 'caught' on the square edge of the false wall that might protrude past the thickness of the tailpiece and thus cause some measure of distortion? Or would both the reduction in horn size and the 'catch lip' be insignificant? ------------------ Ed

I wouldn't say either is 'superior' to the other. They are simply for different applications. The 511 goes down to 500 cycles, the 811 down to 800 cycles. They are both fine horns. I know Al K has utilyzed a 811 in his Belle. You might 'ping' him to get additional info. I use a 511 in my Belle with an AA network to very excellent results. ------------------ Ed

Your best bet would be to mount the SAHF's to Altec 511b sectoral horns. You'll be able to get a pair of these for about $100 on e-bay if you're in a hurry, probably a bit less if you wait it out and buy a couple of singles. Put a fair amount of dampening putty both thick throughout the throat area as well as along the outward mounting flange, as the 511b's will ring with just the right catalyst. Properly dampened, they are glorious. Every bit as equal in sound characteristics as the Klipsch fiberglass/wood sectoral of the 50's that the SAHF was originally mated to, but (a thousand pardons for saying so) IMVHO, more solid and authoritative. You will also need a flange to threaded adapter to mount the horn. These can be made or purchased from Atlas. P/N in the online Atlas catalog is DA-FH. ------------------ Ed

Although not sure if I want to known as 'the great e-bayer' (just kidding Mike, I appreciate the kind words), since I wrote the evaluation Mike uses on his listing a few months ago here, I too can attest (as I have ad nasea) to the 'in another league' assessment voiced by Jeff. I have heard many different vintages of Khorns and firmly believe the sound of the mid-50's era Khorns to be the finest by far. They are extremely musical and impact you on an emotional level that is hard to find in speakers today. Whoever ends up with these will truly have the best of the best. ------------------ Ed

I'm not certain that an analog meter is accurate to that small of DC resistence. You procedure for measurement was indeed correct. However, unless the push/pull terminals were connected to something exterior to the speaker itself, you should been able to simply measure across the two terminals for a reading. WRT the SAHF vs Atlas, I cannot comment since I've never encountered a PD4. I can say that to me, I prefer - in the right setting (ie xover & horn) - the SAHF over the K55V sound. To me, the SAHF is more musical when ran through a sectoral-type horn that it was intended to mate to and an older K500-5000 or even an old oil-filled-cap AA net. ------------------ Ed

Waaaaaaaaaa. Now my '74 Belle wants IT'S original pie-shaped logo.... ------------------ Ed

So Mike....now that you've had the DVD-A and SACD up and running for a couple of weeks, which do you like better? I have a DVD-A setup and just have the two titles....Hotel CA and Rumors...and am VERY pleased with the sound. How does the SACD format compare? To me, DVD-A is better sounding than DTS, even though I really like DTS and watch all movies in that format over DD5.1. The DVD-A has 'better', more 'even' bass that punches out cleaner and with far more authority even at lower listening levels. Is this true with SACD? ------------------ Ed

'74 Belle center has the rectangle & horizontal stripe logo. ------------------ Ed

Mung....interesting about your Stephens woofers. The 103LX's were to my knowledge identical to the 103LX2's except that the LX2's were made by Stephens specifically for Klipsch horn loaded bass bins. They were 8ohms (3.6ohms DC resistance) as opposed to the 16ohm impedence of the LX's. Visually, they looked identical...striking blue. Very curious that yours would have the 'tested and approved by' labels. Measure the DC resistance. If it is anywhere's close to 3.6 ohms, I would suspect that they are 'drop in' ready. If not...say they are about twice that, I would suggest a Cornwall-type 'ported' setup. ------------------ Ed This message has been edited by edwardre on 06-11-2002 at 03:36 PM

At the Rex house, we grill 5 out of 7, rain, snow, or sun. This includes the T-Giving day bird, the Christmas prime rib roast and the Easter ham. The unit of choice continues to be the tried and true....some would say 'vintage' Weber Kettle. For large 'git togethers', we break out additional Webers. For exceptionally large groups, we bust out the Brinkman Pitmaster 2K. This is a sizeable unit kind of employing the '55 gallon drum on it's side' theory and works great for slow cooking and maintaining warmth. I want to build a smokehouse next. Anyone out there have a decent set of plans? Would like a walk-in sized smoker. ------------------ Ed

Ahhhhh.....Coltrane. Thanks Boa. Yes, that was one intriguing flick! Out of the norm. And the other big 'yes' is agreement on the soundtrack. Some very good bass. Would have really liked to hear it in DTS..... ------------------ Ed

I think it would be cool if the future of video lies in holographic imaging. Like in Vanilla Sky where they're at this party and a holographic guy is blowing out a trumpet jam (Louie A.?). If a whole movie was like that, played out in front of you complete with holo-sets....now THAT would be slick. ------------------ Ed

Halibut ------------------ Ed

The diff is that the 340 has 800x600 native res as opposed to the 350's 1024x768 native res. Other than that, from what I can tell looking at the specs, they're identical. The higher res was $3000 more MSRP. ------------------ Ed

Atlas P/N: DA-FH Can be ordered from Northern Video...1-800-366-4472. Ask for Mark. He said something like 'they list for $40, but I can sell to you for $35.' I bought 2. ------------------ Ed

To continue....NOZ, I would certainly not want to be put in the position where your standards differ significantly from mine to the extent that you buy on my word alone. I can only speak to what I find appealing. Hopefully, you can then take that input and check this out for yourself prior to buying. One thing is for sure, the 350 holds it's value. If you are not satisfied, you will be able to sell it quickly on e-bay for what you paid or even a bit more. I would also suspect that the BIN price is also the reserve price for this unit. Larry - Points well taken. However, IMHO, technology has come along way with DLP and true black. Agreed, black is still very dark gray. Very, very dark gray. In fact, I have the Belle directly under the screen. Since there is debate on the black level, I find heightened awareness in myself whenever there is a 'black' part of a scene. I find myself looking from black part on picture to Belle grille and back again to reassure myself that black is indeed black. It is so close as to not be an issue. I think for me the compelling reason for the DLP route is it's ease of operation. Truly plug and play. The small tradeoffs are tradeoffs that anybody in the market has to internalize and decide whether it is worth it. I do not expect a $2K - $4K DLP to perform like a $15K Runco. Anyone who does is probably not grounded too firmly in reality. However, having seen both, I can tell you that IMHO, the differences are minute. Hair splitting minute. The Infocus and several like units in that price range represent the best compromise for me. Unlike the CRT units you elude to, I do not need a professional technician to come in and setup/service/maintain the Infocus. Setting convergence and all the other peramiters would likely drive me nuts! Plus, typically, CRT's are the size of small VW's and have to be hung within 10 or so feet from the screen due to the (relatively) low light output. I have never heard a CRT unit that did not make as much or more fan noise than the 350. The 350 BTW is a rather minor 30dB, claiming to be the quietest in the industry. I 'hushbox' mine because to get a grand 10' picture in a 20' room, the unit needs to sit at ear level about 2 ft from my head! Again, tradeoffs. To me, a slightly reduced 'true black' is a very cheap price to pay not to have to deal with the hassle of a full blown CRT unit. And finally......the picture is MIND BOGGLING!! You fire Jurassic Park III (DVD) up, 10' wide, opening scene where the dad and boy are hang gliding over the ocean with the rain forest background, and tell me that that picture isn't BETTER than the picture you get in the theatres. Color saturation is superb. Detail is superb. Absolutely not a hint of a scan line detectable. Now add DTS soundtrack via all Klipsch heritage speakers and....yeah....you get the idea. ------------------ Ed

NOZ - Sorry, I didn't read your reply until just now. 11 minutes to go on that 350. If you can get it for $2200 or less, I would say that is probably about the best you are going to see for a brand new in the box. ------------------ Ed

Moon - Looking at the InFocus site is kind of non-descrit. However, I could have swore reading somewhere....think it was on the AVS forum that since the 110 is engineered as a HT projector rather than a conference room speaker, the throw distance has been reduced for any given size. For Instance, in my 20' room, in order to get (with 2.35 aspect ratio) the max onto my 10'x5' screen, I have to put the 350 back at 19 feet. As I understand it, the 110 would only have to be put at say.....15 or so feet to achieve the same diag screen size. NOZ - Probably depends on what your watching the most of. Typically I watch either the 1.85 or 2.35 (to 1) ratio DVD's. I have my projector in sort of a 'booth' to minimize the fan noise. It also serves as a 'mask' for widescreen pictures that create light 'splash' beyond the confines of the picture proper. When I watch 4:3, I just drop down to native res which perfectly resizes for my screen height. Either way, with any projector, you will have 'light splash' for the areas of the screen that you have no picture. Kind of like black bars in reverse. Yes....or more accurately, 'no', the 350 does not have component vid inputs. I use the s-video with spectacular results as listed in the Sony/InFocus comparison on Projector Central site. Both have the DVI input which, if you run video through a HT PC, can give you much greater flexibility over your picture that component. Another plus for the 110 is that it incorporates 3:2 pulldown. Finally, WRT the screen, I would suggest getting a peice of material from Parkland Plastics in the size you want to make your screen. I paid $36 for a 10'x5' piece. It is absolute white with a 1.5 reflective gain. Equivilent in every way to an expensive Da-lite. Guess it's the latest (been around for a year now) rave on the AVS forum. I can attest to it's excellence. I had a small Dalite. The Parkland Plastic in every way was as good, if not better for color saturation and picture detail, especially in dimly lit gray areas. Either projector you go with, if the 110 is as good as the 350, the picture is fantastic. Man they have come along way with the picture quality on these guys. ------------------ Ed

Tom, looks like you've got good answers here, just a tidbit more of info to chew on.... I asked Kerry, owner and proprieter of "The Vintage Audio Trader's" site about woofer ohms in general. The rest of this reply is his testimonial regarding the older woofers: For reasons having to do with reactance annulment, Paul Klipsch specified special low-impedance drivers for the Klipschorn. They were made by EV and Stephens Tru-Sonic especially for use in Klipschorns and Klipsch-licensed copies. The EV15W k, and the hammer-tone blue LX-103-2 are those drivers; both have Klipsch-specified 3.6 Ohms DCR ( 8 Ohms nominal impedance ). The buyer had a choice. I have the original blue LX-103-2's in my 1954s. I only use the K-horns as subs though...from 100 Hz down. I get rock solid,' real ' sounding ' low bass from those things ! Flat at 30 Hz with usable output to 25. Anyway, the Stephens LX-103 is a 16 Ohm non-Klipsch woofer and was never - or should never be - used in K-horns. It looks pretty much the same as the 103-2 except it usually has a silver basket with a dark maroon magnet. The 16 Ohm 15W is to the 8 Ohm 15W-k as the 16 Ohm LX-103 is to the 8 Ohm LX-103-2. By the way, and you probably already know this, don't confuse nominal impedance with DCR. D.C. resistance is related but different; it's usually about half the nominal A.C. impedance. You measure ' impedance ' by sweeping an A.C. signal generator through the speaker and then measuring A.C. resistance at specific frequencies. The " nominal impedance " is usually given as 1/2 the resistance measurement at the resonant frequency spike. In other words, a ' nominally ' 16 Ohm speaker usually measures 32 Ohms at the resonant frequency. Which is why Klipsch specified 8 Ohm ( 3.6 DCR ) woofers for the K-horn; they are woofers which have a 16 Ohm impedance at the resonant frequency. 16 Ohms is the perfect electrical *resistance* ( at that point of maximum excursion ) to, along with the back chamber, ' null ' out the horn / woofer system's acoustically *reactive* components in the throat / front chamber. This achieves throat reactance annulment, which equals optimum damping. That's my understanding anyway. ------------------ Ed

Either InFocus 110 or LP350.... The 110 has an advantage of greater dispersion at shorter distance making it ideal for smaller rooms plus the benefit of brighter 'appearance'. The LP350 is a proven workhorse. I can speak from personal experience as that's what is in my HT setup. It is simply fantastic. The benefit over the 110 is that it has higher resolution capabilities and a DVI interface. ------------------ Ed

HDBR, Just so happens I do have a spare unit in the garage. It's not a '72 Jimmy, but should actually compliment your '72 CST C10 Chevy better......it's a '72 CST Blazer with factory air!! It is whole except for the motor. Needs a pain job as well but the body is unblemisied. I didn't need it but the price was so right I couldn't pass on it. You just cannot find 68-72 Jimmy/Blazers nowadays that folks don't want your firstborn for, let alone a 'parts rig' of that year/type. Has 3/4T detroit locker rear end and 3/4T suspension throughout. Looks like the guy who had it last put a BB in it as it has the drop down crossmember to accomodate the deeper oil pan. 35" tires with about 75% life left, this thing is tall and proud. Initially OK'd by the family CFO as a 'parts rig', it was just in too good condition to rip into (like parting out a heritage) so I had thought to make that my 'future project'. However, now the missus is yammering and pestering to 'get that thing out of the garage....it's just taking up space'. 'But sweetheart, it's a '72CST K5 w/factory air!!!' She returns the same look I get from her when we have the twice yearly 'discussion' about large heritage speakers..... Send me an e-mail if you want to talk turkey. For now, it's not going anywhere. ------------------ Ed

1. 1954 Klipschorns. 1974 Belle. 1983 Cornwalls. Previously owned 1976 Klipschorns. Also own pseudo-heritage 1995 Forte II's. 2. The first pair of heritage speakers, the '54's, were part of my life since birth. They were my fathers and ownership was transferred about 15/16 years ago. Next came the Belle, technically my first 'purchase' I was 38. 3. 39 4. To match my Khorns as a center speaker. 5. Would purchase (and intend to) another Belle or a single Cornwall. Because I now need a rear center that matches my all heritage HT. 6. Naturally. What else WOULD it be classified as? ------------------ Ed

A-ha....here's where all the good discussions are. HDBR....is that '72 a 4wd? My other hobby is my '71 GMC Jimmy. Bought it stock over 15 years ago. Trashed the 1/2T running gear and replaced with 1T Detroit Locker (rear), 3/4T front. 4.56 gears. Still on the hunt for that elusive Dana 60 1Ton front end. Trashed the 350 4-bolt and promptly went out and bought the BB454 GM crate motor. TH350 tranny has been upgraded to TH400. 36" tires, 8-pt roll cage, piped all around. Last weekend installed the Edelbrock Performer - 2 and a Holley 750 double pumper. Most important and beneficial upgrade to date? Sliding Side Windows!! Big blocks and Big Khorns........aaaahhhhh... ------------------ Ed

May God bless you son. You have our prayers. ------------------ Ed