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Thiel tower also were very detailed and nice sounding.

Over the last several weeks I have been going out of town and found a shop at the final destination that only carries very high end audio gear. I was pleasantly surprised to listen to some Dynaudio, Sonus Faber, Paradigm, Focal, PBS and some others. I thought that some of them had beautiful cabinets and great design to make an impression for a home setting. But, I was not overly impressed with the clarity and imaging of most of the speakers when compare to some of the Klipsch speakers. I was trying to see what exactly made some speaker worth so much money. Just my personal view, but I think the efficent nature of Klipsch, dynamic range and apparent build quality of Klipsch allows it to keep up with speakers costing five times as much. I took some of my best vocal jazz, jazz insturmental and music with good bass to test the speakers. What test music do other forum members use when testing speakers? Sorry to not included Klipsch Heritage speakers as part of my comparison. I have never heard any speakers from that line[]. Dynaudio was one of the best of the high end speaker that I heard.

Congrats on the new amp! Your Pioneer avr should have more than enough power for surrounds/surroundback/front height or front wide duty. So you might as well use it until your are ready for a new avr or purchase of a two channel amp. I am thinking that it will provide no less than 95watts/ even with all channels driven. This way you can get your center channel.[]

I first seen the movie on HD cable and it was good. Then I rented the Blue-ray and wow! The audio really came alive. You are definetly right, it is one for your collection of demo films.

Congrats on the new speakers.

For HT a sub is needed. Other will chime in on the avr and speaker selection. Welcome to the community![Y]

Ditto!

The volume coming out of the RF 82 and KF 28 should be about the same. There will be a tonal difference since the drivers are different. You have a very large room to fill sound with, so the center for the KF 28 may not be big enough for your needs. Get two nice subs for that size room and go with a larger center channel. I also have a large space to fill and use a 9.2 setup to cover the area. I have the Icon V series which works great for me. I can hit 110 db watching blueray with no problem. I use front height speakers to add a vertical dimension to my HT due to high ceilings. Sub will also enhamce your music. The key for that size room is the subs. For synergy, stick with the same line of speakers, all of the Klipsch speakers sound good![Y].

Thanks Willand. I never thought about different subs, possibly making the bass coverage better because of their different freqency responses. I know it can also be a nightmare. I just learned this gain matching method and find it make things much easier. The room is the opponent when it come to good bass[6]. I seen pic's of your Revel B 15 in Jan., very sweet acqusition!

Your tower can be set to large, but if you are using a sub with them there can be cancellation issues, phase issues, re-enforment of certain bass frequencies and standing wave problem. Listening to music with a good sub can make the experience better. Setting the speakers to small avoid a lot of the above problems and turns over the bass management to the avr. Speakers set to Large=no bass managemet, Speaker set to small= bass management for the system.

If you like your 82's, get a sub. Rap music has a lot of bass that will benefit from a good sub[:#]

I thought long and hard about adding a second sub to my system. But a good deal came on a SW 450, so I got it to go along with my 15 in sub and Icon V system. All I could think about were the problems that could come from using two different subs:, different woofer size, different frequency respones, phase issues, cancelation issues and standing wave problems. The first thing I did was use a Y connector to hook the subs up to the avr with only a .1 outlet. Next I turned the gain up 1/2 way on each sub. Then I used and spl meter to set each sub at 75 db. Turning one off while I set the other one. Next, came the autocalibration to re-set the whole system and checked it with the spl meter. Both subs are on the front wall, but not the same distance from the corner to help with standing wave issues. Results: Great! The system was tested with music and movies. Nice balance sound and no ablility to locate one sub over the next one. Both subs are not able to be localizes. More bang from the 30 Hz range due to the 10 in. sub and good 21 Hz response from the 15 in sub. There is also a better frequency overall response in the bass region with using the two different subs. The use of Identical subs is always suggested but not necessary always. What are other members experience using 2,3, or 4 subs.

The Pioneer SC55/57 is a great avr. MCACC provide great room correction and works well with external amps. I use a SC 35 with a couple of external amps and like the setup. The 55/ 57 is 4 ohm stable and should perform well with or without external amplification.

Very nice setup, congrats and happy listening!

I recommend getting a sub. It sounds like this is a HT setup used for movies and music. For HT a sub is needed to get the full impact of movies. A good sub can make a 2 channel setup better, because it can handle the bass better than tower speakers due to the large box volume, and woofer design. I set my towers to small and run the bass management via the avr. Speakers set to Large= no bass management vs Speakers set to Small= bass management via the avr. Using a sub can help with phase issues, cancellation effect and it gives the avr more reserve to do the midrange and higher frequencies. Bass requires a lot to power especially if you like it loud sometime. If you like loud music will you avr in 5.1 run out of steam, which could damage the speakers.

Congrats on the Hersey's! Cant' speak on modification since I have never heard Heritage speakers. But, a nice sub wood surely go a long way.

I live near Chicago, were even the deceased have cast votes!

How is a sub taking power from the mains? There can be phase issues if the mains are set to large or large plus the sub. Subs will generally enhance a system. Since the the mains and other speakers can't be moved around very much, that is why room placement of the sub is so important. The powered sub only receive a line input signal from the avr so the sub is running off of it's own amp and not draining the avr.. Setting all speakers to small will give you simpler and in most cases better bass management. A good sub should handel the bass better than tower speakers set to large.

How is a sub taking power from the mains? There can be phase issues if the mains are set to large and plus the sub. Subs will generally enhance a system. Since the the mains and other speakers can't be moved around very much, that is why room placement of the sub is so important. The powered sub only receive a line input from the avr so the sub is running of of it's own amp. Setting all speakers to small will give you simpler and in most cases better bass management. A good sub should handel the bass better than tower speakers set to large.

I thought twice before posting this and reading about the ( S) for surround. I have a 9.1 setup with front height speakers. I have used bookshelf and surrounds for the front height. I did not think that the bookshelf offer anything over the surrounds since the tower will overpower the height speakers most of the time. The surrounds as height speakers made the system better for multi-channel music. I am a fan of front height speakers since trying them over 6 months ago. I know this goes against the norm in theory, but from a practical view the surrounds can work very well as height speakers in my home experience for movies and music. Asthetically, the surrounds look better high up on the wall, lol.

Under World Evolution and Rise of the Lycans! Great sub workout and use of surround format.

No one mentioned the movie 9, which is a family movie with Great LFE.

I liked the movie better than Clash of the Titans. The LFE were very good in DTS-MA. Not an Oscar movie, but well worth a rent from Family Video. Once they put it up for sale I will buy it for $9.00 to go with my BD collection of good sub effect movies.

Ever consider Yamaha amps? I have a Yamaha M 70 paired with an SC 35 and find it to be a good combination. The speakers are dead silent between songs, no hiss or ground loop problems. The amp also performs well in the first few watts. I had my amps refurbished back to original factory specs and the bias reset. Yamaha legendary amps are know for their natural sound and dynamic performance across the entire frequency band.

I think all the autocalibration systems have their good and not so good points. MCACC has great room correction, Audyssey has better bass equalization due to the 8 filters for the sub and so on. As far as distance, physical distance is not as important as the timing of the sound waves to the sweet spot. Someone already mention that bass frequencies can throw off the distance of the physical measurement so, this is not a good point to get hung up on.