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I think you'd gain more from adding a seperate amp(Parasound would be my choice). This can only be done if your receiver has preouts. If you do want a receiver to take advantage of newer sound formats, I'd choose Harman Kardon to mate w/Klipsch.

I won an auction for a new Kodak DX4900 for $180! It works wonderfully.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1280735&t=8066#

Also keep in mind, SVS is coming out with some box shaped subs very soon.

Horned, That's the reason I recommended them. I'm even aware Tom V.'s acknowledgment of it's performance. I'm just curious, how much of a price break do you get from buying something like the PW-2200 or Servo 15?

Have you taken a look at Paradigm's subs, the PW2200 or Servo-15. I dont' know Canadian pricing but I've always read that it's much cheaper than what the US folk can get it for. They're excellent subwoofers that at least deserve a demo if they fall within your price range. While I love Klipsch, I've never considered their subs to be class leaders.

Come on guys, the change isn't that drastic. I guess I'm the minority here, I like the new look. Buy you guys have to admit the new RW look a hell of a lot better than the black box KSW subs.

Pics of the whole new line of Reference speakers(including the subs) are in the photo gallery. I'm wondering what the pros and cons are of the new corner porting Klipsch is using with the RW subs.

Some consumer receivers can't produce enough voltage to drive a pro amp. Also set all speakers to small and send the LFE to the sub only, not both. This is what SVS recommends.

You can get a set of new Klipsch KSB1.1's and Quintet's from ubid.com. You should be able to find them under $200 shipped and they are an authorized Klipsch dealer so you have the factory warranty. You can also find the matching center(Kliplch KSC-C1) on ebay for around $150 shipped. That leaves $350 a subwoofer, my choice would be the Infinity IL120s. It comes in three finishes and has a built in one band parametric eq. It sound quality is as good as other mega buck subs and it has good output to 25hz. These can also be found for around $350 shipped on ubid.com.

KSF-8.5's are great speakers, they were my first set of Klipsch and my brother now has a pair. I think their sound is a little more comparable to the Reference than the newer Synergy. One thing you might want to consider doing is reselling the center and put the money toward the matching center, the KSF-C5(if you can find it used). It is the proper matching center for the KSF-8.5's and IMO is a much more capable center than the SC-1.

---------------- They continue to shake pretty good up to about 55hz and then start to drop off dramatically. ---------------- I plotted the response of my single Ultra and I can definately tell you the upper end doesn't roll off around 55hz in my room. ---------------- The 110wpc Yamaha pushed em' harder than the 500wpc Samson, imagine that. ---------------- Some people(including myself) with Yamaha receiver/Samson amp combo suffer from an impedance matching problem, when you receive the Marchand box, I bet your mind will change. Before the introduction of the Marchand box, SVS recommended me to buy a RCA mini amplifier from Radio Shack. I think the model of it was the SA-1 or something like that. It cost me $40 bucks, it could be a temporary solution until the Marchand box comes in.

---------------- On 1/8/2003 5:28:51 PM prodj101 wrote: eq's aren't always needed depending on your room. ---------------- Agreed, but every room I've plotted the freq. response of a subwoofer in could have used one.

Instead of another 25-31Pci or RSW-15, have you considered going with the SVS CS Ultra? It has quite a different sonic signature than the original CS and Plus series SVS'I've heard. I prefer the sound of my Ultra over many other mega buck subs for music. Another thing to consider for any sub you get is the BFD. I think the second best thing I've done for my system(adding the SVS is 1st) is to eq my sub using a BFD. I can't say enough about how much this inexpensive piece of equipment($130) helped my system for music and HT. I'll never have another sub in my system w/out an eq.

I ordered a b-stock 20-39CS Plus. It only had about a 1/8" knick on the edge of the removeable grill. I didn't mind saving the money for something I fixed with a sharpie.

---------------- On 12/23/2002 7:35:48 PM PHIL O wrote: Oh and by the way the new Cerametallic speaker in Klipsch now is a vast improvement over the old speakers. The RF3-II replaced the RF3 which (I think) replaced the KLF-10, and the RF5 replaced the KLF-20, and the RF7 replaced the KLF-30. Notice how they replaced bigger speakers with smaller (10" to 8", 12" to 10"), These are new and improved speakers. ---------------- Phil, I'm not trying to start an argument, just giving my opinion. I think I actually prefer the sound of the KLF-30 vs RF-7. Both speakers will rock your world but IMO, the RF-7's are not better just different. I haven't heard much of the KLF-20 or the RF-5's, but I also think that the RF-3II's are going to be the better speaker when compared to the KLF-10. Another thing to consider Roy is the availability of the Legend center. The used to sell quite often on ebay. The KLF-C7 is a much better center than the RC-3II but it is FREAKIN HUGE! Here's a guy who wants to sell his used KLF-30's from HTF, it's great deal. http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114317

If I can get sale for my current speakers and they're still around in about a month I would be interested(damn Christmas presents). Where are you located? Also how old are they?

What I wanted to say is already summed up by SVS' FAQ page. Whats better about SVS? Most importantly, from a sonic standpoint, is significantly greater internal enclosure volume than most other subs (yet still in a well proportioned cylinder). This allows us to make our products tremendously efficient. Some subs require equalization to run strong down low, often about 6dBs below 30Hz, sometimes many times more than that! There is nothing wrong with this approach to producing good bass, but it does significantly cut effective amp power. Each 3dB boost of broad-band bass roughly halves the effective power of any given amp. So with a 6dB boost down low, a 500-watt amp acts very much like a 125-watt amp. If you are starting with a 150 watt amp? Well, you can do the math. This explains why many commercial subs need megawatts to perform well. Again, our subs run very flat to their tuning points with no equalization, (though it can be added if you want to tweak your SVS's too). In short, if you use a 300-watt amp with a CS sub you get 300 watts used, with no power spent in an effort to flatten or lower the response of the sub. Looking at this another way, if you own a sub using this much equalization you must push its driver with a full 500 watts of power (with the accompanying heat and stress on both driver and amp) to equal 125 watts with an SVS design. Needless to say 125-watt amps are relatively inexpensive and plentiful compared to 500 watt ones. And to a limited degree, the more clean power an amp can deliver the greater the bass impact. As little as 100 watts with any of our SVS CS "passive" subwoofers will drive most folks out of a room if you're so inclined! No wonder our 200watt-ish PC subs blow HT critics away with so "little" power.

Why did this thread turn into a RSW vs PSB Subsonic, the title is RSW-10 VS SVS CS. If it's not to late Stephen, I'd' say go with the SVS. The RSW are great subs, but as mentioned many times, they don't have much output below 30hz. People tend to focus on how great SVS' are for HT and forget to mention how wonderful they are for music. I'm here to tell that they're no slouch at all in the music department. Theirs just something so intoxicating about having a sub play tuneful low frequencies w/music, it's almost orgasmic(well maybe not that great). You just have to hear it to know what I'm talking about. Even though I complained about it up top I'll still talk about it. I agree with TheEar that the PSB isn't really that great a sub. I'd take the RSW over it anyday.

A while back I ordered three items from the dollar menu and my total came to $10 something. I asked what the price of each item was and the cashier didn't know. The cashier then asked two of her coworkers who didn't know as well. I finally had to talk to manager just to get my order correct. The worst part is, all the items were on the dollar menu. I couldn't believe the stupidity.

Just use one digital cable(toslink or coax). If the signal is being sent from your dvd player, you only need to set the receiver to auto. Two things I can think of: 1.) With my older Panasonic DVD player you had to go into the setup menu and turn on the DTS output. 2.)Also, some of the first generation DVD players couldn't output the DTS signal. Just look on the front of your DVD player to see if it has the DTS logo. If it does, your player is capable.

I think you should still look at the reference line. You don't have to go with the top of the line reference, you can go the the reference 3 package instead. I bought the RF-3II, RC-3II, and RS-3II for around $1300 locally and I feel the price difference between the synergy is well worth it.

I previously used two of these and I had a hard time getting it to sound good with the subs in different locations, I ultimately found it best to colocate them. Their sound quality is as good as other top notch subs, they have great output down to 25Hz, and they look sharp. With the RABOS kit(well worth it) you can tame your biggest room peak which can improve SQ a bunch. At $350, it's hard to do better! As long as you calibrate, your Klipsch won't overpower the subs. These subs are able to dish it out and shouldn't have a problem keeping up with your RF-7's at all but extreme levels. Let us know what you think when you get them.

You mentioned subs all the way from $850 to $2800, what kind of price range can "average Mike" deal with? In the lower end of the mentioned price range, the SVS PC Plus' would be at the top of my list. At the top of the price range there's a whole lot to choose from. I might look into SVS' new B4 Plus, Ron said preorder would be around $2k: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111058&perpage=40&display=&pagenumber=2 The QSC amp Tom mentioned there is $400 available at www.musiciansfriend.com and a BFD is also available from the same site for $120. All these shipped would be less than the the HGS-18's price you quoted and have equivalent output of 6 HGS-18's(according to an older post of Tom V.'s). At any rate, I believe no matter what sub price range you're looking at, SVS offer's the most for the money(excluding DIY).

Klipsch RSW subs are great sounding but lack extreme the low end that makes HT so exciting. I would take a long hard look at SVS, they have few peers that can play low, loud, and clean within their price range. Within $1k I would go with: SVS 20-39PC Plus $825 http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pcplus_20-39.htm Behringer DSP 1124P Feedback Destroyer Pro $120 shipped http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=021209130841068100066175202911/search/g=live/detail/base_id/59693 The Behringer is my new best friend:). With minimal amount of tweaking(about 1hr.) I'm +/- 3db from 15-90Hz(+/- 1db from 25-63Hz). My CS Ultra now sounds incredibly fabulous!