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i fully agree with the recent posts about v1 vs 2 or 3... its like most things on the internet, one guy says something & everyone hops on the bandwagon & repeats the opinion like they have first hand knowledge of it. i would love to participate in a blind a/b test of things like this, back to back tests would likely show nobody could consistently tell the difference. or to let people listen to any given version & identify it or say, "yep, those are v3 & they sound terrible."

thanks for the link, i didnt see the specs when i searched "cf4" on the home page. 34hz! that supports what i was saying, they go as low or lower than many of the bigger klipsch models. something else is going on with the room, speaker position or gear if people cant get good quality low bass out of thier cf-3 or 4.

let us know your opinion of them, especially compared to the fortes. theres a recent thread saying they dont have good bass, bass on all epics ive heard is very good. i've heard v3 & recently sold my v2 cf4, even with the stated changes between the 2, they both sounded excellent & very similiar.

my v2 cf4's had excellent bass on even a 100 watt receiver & even better on a seperate 200 watt amp. lots of things determine a speakers bass reproduction level, room, gear, music/recording etc... but the epics bass is really strong & they dig as low as any other same size speaker ive owned or heard, as good as kg5.5, forte, & other brands known for good bass. klipsch doesn't currently publish the specs for the cf3/4 so im not sure what the actual freq response is but in my experience they had very good bass that hit hard, even almost subwoofer quality bass on movies & modern music etc. no, they dont hit you in the chest like a k-horn will in the upper kick drum bass freq, but mine definitely had a low freq hit & rumble you could feel & would vibrate pics on the wall at loud volumes. to say the 12's are just big mids is not at all what i experienced with my cf4's or friends cf3's ive heard. i did let my former brother in law borrow my cf4s for a while when they weren't in use & he made the same "no bass" comment... but like ive seen happen before more than once with digital receivers, he had his subwoofer set to "yes", but no sub hooked up, that cuts bass below usually 80hz to the main speakers on many modern receivers. i came over & knew right away they sounded wrong, i turned the sub setting off & set main speakers to large & he was blown away at the change.

ALL versions of epic cf3 & cf4 are known for their clear sound & excellent articulation, IMO.

nice find & great price! they were made in mid sept of 94 so they could be v1 or v2, pics definitely show longer ports & grey horn. check to be sure the driver is screwed on tight to the horn, i had one come loose on one of my cf-4. as for power, these are very efficient speakers, meaning they play very loud with little power, so if your receiver is even 50 watts per channel it will likely power them to very loud levels. if you want to add an amplifier the receiver needs to have rca pre outputs to send a signal to the amp, most low power receivers dont have outputs. if your just listening to music at a non "audiophile" level you will be fine with your current set up, but you can look for a used receiver with 100 watts per channel to make a big improvement... brands like onkyo, yamaha, denon, h/k etc can be had for $100 & will usually have pre amp outputs for a seperate amp if you want down the road. congrats on the epics, you will love them!

there was a forte & cornwall back in the day with ROOM FOR CHORUS... so why not now? i agree it probably wont ever happen today because klipsch doesnt really listen to peons like us on a forum, profit drives their products... but they did it back then, why not now... KLIPSCH?

there are x-over, woofer material & port length differences between v1 & v3... but overall all versions are great sounding speakers. if there was only the v3 made or someone heard v3 for the first time & didint know of other versions... they would rave about how good the v3s sound & they would still have the same great reviews! if you're looking to own a set of cf3 or cf4 epics, dont get too hung up on versions, yes v1 & v2 would be nice, just dont pass up a good deal on v3's.

kind of a subjective opinion question... one guy might hear something while the next guy wont. the differences are very subtle between versions. i have heard a couple pairs of cf4 v1 & owned v2 for 15 years & i could not hear or notice any difference. also heard cf4 v3 that a friend owned & they sounded excellent. while im sure a direct A/B test would reveal some differences, all versions of epics are great speakers IMO.

if you had chorus & heresys in your car before, these chorus 2 & quartets will fit, the chorus 1 & 2 are the same size & the quartets are very close to heresys size. then the acedemy will fit on the front seat or floor or in your lap! just a suggestion...

Best positioning is just how the factory did it on the stock boards, with the daytons & other brands they are small & similar in size to the stock caps, no need to reposition them, they fall into place just like factory. Basic soldering skills is all thats needed, or even a newbie can do it with some practice... Soldering is very easy to do!

Actually I was speaking of other brand capacitors that are much less money & smaller in size, but for most guys will sound just as good as more expensive brands. Check parts express or other companies selling caps, Dayton or Solen are some decent brands that are smaller physically & easier to install on the factory boards. & "cap" is short for capacitor, you only need to replace the caps, the resistor will have very little if any noticeable sound improvement for the average system. The benefit of new caps is replacing 25+ year old cheap low quality caps, unless you want absolute top of the line you do not need to buy sonicaps or other over priced brand caps. Klipsch used very cheap caps in these speakers, simply upgrading to new poly caps will make a big improvement & I would bet 99% of people can't tell the difference between a sonicap & dayton, solen, erse etc in the average system. Heres a link to some good entry level caps that will be a big improvement over the stock capacitors, just match the values of your caps or look at the crossover thread for what the chorus 2 take. https://www.parts-express.com/cat/crossover-capacitors/292?N=19841+4294967118+4294967060&Ne=10166&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord[endeca%3Amatches(.%2C"P_PortalID"%2C"1")+and+endeca%3Amatches(.%2C"P_Searchable"%2C"1")]&PortalID=1

For updating the crossovers you can just buy the few capacitors the chorus takes to upgrade & if you have basic soldering skills you can do it yourself. I own a pair of these that i changed the caps myself, very simple & basic procedure. If they sound good to you as is then enjoy them for awhile, no need to rush out & change things. I've owned 2 other pairs of these speakers as well & both of those pairs sounded great with factory crossovers. As for amplifiers, anything with about 200 watts per channel will make the chorus sound great, dont need top of the line super expensive brands, i own rotel & adcom 200 watt amps & they can be had for about $350-$400, i also have an older onkyo integra m-504 that sound very good. For the money, rotel or adcom are good amplifiers, try to find a good preamp too if you use 2 channel stereo, or a receiver can work as a pre amp if it has preamp outputs but usually won't sound as good as a seperate pre amp. conragts on the chorus!

so what are the details on them? v1, v2, v3? no description in the ad & no real pics of the actual speakers.

no prob, just saying you will get a lot more views & replies on the other sections. ive never heard of the amp you're asking about & everyone has their own subjective opinions about amps/pres/speakers etc. so what one guy likes another guy may not. i have used adcom gfa 555ii amps for a long time on many different speakers & while they aren't high end uber expensive amps, for the money they are excellent sounding amps IMO. they have 200wpc & will drive your epics to ear shattering levels, but due to the speakers high efficiency, so will just about any amp over 100 watts per ch. i also own & use rotel & onkyo integra m504 amps, all very good sound for middle of the road budgets.

the info says "fall" of 94 for v2 change.. but it does not say the exact date so cant just say " if they were made in sept they are v1. have to verify pther things like port size & x-over specs etc. cant you ask the seller to measure the ports or send pics?

you will probably get better replies to this question posted in the general or 2ch section. this isnt really epic owners related.

ok. some details... price, location??

are you selling them?

my guess is "rebuy" is asking about the more common direct radiator subs like the reference series gold woofer subs, not horn loaded. my opinion is that klipsch doesn't sound any better than other same price subs. in the lower freq of subs, 50hz is 50hz. but as mentioned, the quality & capability is important, meaning a cheap $150 low quality sub wont have as much impact or hit as a good quality sub with higher power & better quality amps, drivers & box constructions etc. klipsch subs dont have a signature sound you will notice compared to other quality subs... but if you do a search here or google you will find way too many problems with klipsch subs amplifiers goin bad, i would suggest looking into SVS or another company that specializes in subs like velodyne or HSU.

my opinion on how cf4s compare to fortes is that they best the fortes in every possible way, the cf3 do too. there is nothing the forte 1 or 2 does that is better than the cf4- bass, mid, highs, max volume, impact, or any of the terms people use to describe speakers & sound. & this is from an owner of both forte 1, forte 2, chorus 2 & many other models of klipsch speakers. i love my fortes & chorus & they are great speakers... but the epics are just that good. i sold my v2 cf-4s to upgrade to mid 90's ak-3 k-horns.... & while the khorn may be the better speaker overall in ideal conditions, it has so many quirks & placement requirements that i still miss my epics & in some ways wish i would have kept them!

no. not that i have seen or heard of. but of course im sure there may have been some out there that were handled rough or other issue that caused a loose cabinet. the construction of the epics is different from the klf or kg series that had cabinet problems from bad or insufficient glue.

as a prev owner of epics as well as hearing many pairs including when they were brand new, i suggest you jump at a chance to hear them. while there are lots of factors that can make or break a set of speakers... the cf-4 are pretty amazing in any version.

yes serial numbers dictate versions... from the info in the "everything you ever wanted to know about epics thread" & speakers i have owned/seen, the v1 epics started in spring of 94. v2 happened in the fall of 94, 213 day is kinda close to fall but still summer. v3 happened in summer of 95. so, these are likely v1 based on the serial number, but could be early v2's based on the port length. i recall seeing some claimed v1's a couple years ago on ebay that had short ports too, so who knows.

i agree, very special! maybe the seller just said he wants to keep them to all the people lowballing him or trying to get him to ship them... but if he seriously wants to keep them.. just delete the dang ad!