JiminSTL

Hooboy, oldtimer. There are not a lot of basic pleasures left like good bourbon, and I am supposed to "take it easy". Congrats on your success. I bought a nice elliptical trainer 15 months ago, and I suppose I really ought to plug it in and try it out???

Odd that I'm consciously monitoring that as well. I try to only drink on weekends now (or at forum gatherings regardless of the day, LOL). It was getting to be a bit of a crutch after work. My biggest problem now is that I try to fit a weeks worth of imbibement into two days but I'm working on that as well. Likewise. Nothing Monday - Thursday. Only Fri - Sunday. Slip sometimes, though. Was hopeful that regimen for 13 weeks might help the blood sugar level. Didn't budge. Maybe the Metformin will do better?

^ Ditto, Metropolis, re the Evan Williams. Well, almost. Scratch the ice . . . .

Yup, better hurry! Before they sell out, and there are no buyers for our old-fashioned speakers.

Joe, we don't know each other, but please know how delighted I am--for you and for your wife. And the good thing you have done for your relationship! Just last night I was watching 'The Intern', a movie starring Robert DeNiro. One line I remember (closely, not exactly) is something like, "It is never wrong to do the right thing." P.S. I'll bet those speakers will sing especially sweetly now!

^ Robo, are you not making a judgement in your comment above ("too much judgement")? And what is wrong about "judgement"? Is it not the product of a person's maturity/experience/value-system? Are we not to "judge", or perhaps simply come to conclusions about how to do things rightly? Heaven help us--literally--if we fail to learn and act upon lessons and learning. And further, most of what is expressed on this Forum is "judgement" in one form or another. What that really is, of course, is our likes and dislikes, our innate inclinations, and our actual thinking. And most of the time, the thoughts expressed are done so in response to questions/pleas for guidance. Most of the responses are well-intentioned. The fact is that the "judgmental" responses to Joe (mine included) are not intended to sound or be morally superior. Those responses reflect difficult lessons learned from our own failures, and are an attempt to minimize or re-direct the likely negative outcome of an action that probably is not what ANYONE would actually advise another to do as the best course. That is, to help. And this post is intended to do that too. To help. My opinion is that being "judgmental" is a term that often (not in your specific case) has been expropriated by those who actually look to do something that usually is selfish in some way, or to be held unaccountable for their actions. I remember well the time, 49 years ago, when a couple of men took their time, and took a risk with their relationship (with me), to confront me and guide me. Kind men, mature men, who cared enough about helping to right the situation they saw me in. I thank God to this day for putting them there for me. "Judgement" can be a wonderful and loving action, too.

Matt, Naturally, I IMMEDIATELY thought of you, but I see you are already on top of it. Oh well, there goes another "deal". Say, did send you an email a couple of minutes ago on another situation.

Hey, BamaMike, you just need a little road trip is all. If you want a BEAUTIFUL pair of LaScalas. See the CL link below. And I'll just bet that my good friend, Matt, the proud owner of those beauties will be happy to coordinate delivery/payment. Heck, I could even be the somewhat closer intermediary in the deal for you if you wish. We have a chance to meet, and I'll tell you about my long-term appreciation for the Tide. Anyway, click on the link, and best of luck!!! http://stlouis.craigslist.org/ele/5607898073.html

Thanks for saying what I wanted to say. And didn't have the courage to say. All kinds of excuses to say nothing came to mind, but the result is that I didn't. And I'll bet that Joe wants his wife to share fully in the enjoyment of those wonderful speakers. Only thing is that it will not happen until she is his partner in their acquisition.

Exactly the same for me, Wolf. Of course, I am only a very few years younger than Ali, and you probably are fairly close . . . .

prerich, thanks for letting me know, and knowing that "only" one young man was lost. However, there are too often and too many others!

Yes, that is sad! The entire 1st team of the Blue Angels was lost a few years ago, if I recall correctly, in an awful mishap. Our best and bravest. He was selfless and courageous. My Dad was a Naval Academy graduate (Class of 1938), I was a Naval Officer for 5 years, and my son a Marine Corps Officer for four years. Heavy heart here.

Soooooo, Matt, when do you pick them up?

Yes, but it's not really shouting--can't y'all hear the Southern drawl? GLWS!

Tim, tell you what--simply bring 'em on over to my house. No shipping. Problem solved. Heck, I'll even swing a beer or two for you as "we" get them set up over here.

Yes, understand about multi-zone AVRs (have 3 of them). I might understand better if I knew the relationships among: For instance, below is a partial explanation/quotation from another source: many 7.1 channel receivers are configured to allow a full 7.1 channel mode for the main room, but provide an additional Preamp Line Output to supply a signal to an additional amplifier (purchased separately) in another room that can power an additional set of speakers. This allows the same Multi-Zone capability, but does not require sacrificing the full 7.1 channel experience in the main room, in order to get the advantages of running a system in a Second Zone. 3. Some high-end Home Theater Receivers incorporate the ability to run both a Zone 2 and Zone 3, in addition to the main zone. On these receivers, Preamp Outputs are provided for both Zones, which require separate amplifiers for each Zone. However, some receivers will give you the option of running either Zone 2 or Zone 3 using the built-in amplifiers of the receiver. In this type of setup, the user can run a Second Zone with the internal amplifiers of the receiver, and a Third Zone using a separate amplifier. However, since you are using the Receiver to power the Second Zone, you will still sacrifice the full 7.1 channel capability of the receiver in the main room. The sense I am getting is that I can send an audio signal from 1 AVR (set up to utilize its 2 zone capability) to another AVR, use the power of that 2nd AVR to then run 2 (or more?) speakers in its Zone(s). Or, am I totally turned around?

Hi, Matt, I probably was not clear that the AVR #1 would handle zones 1 & 2. The reason for the 2nd AVR is that my friend has an old model that he could use to power a zone 3 and/or 4, with the audio input from AVR 1, if that is possible. His potential zone 3 is for speakers out on his deck, and he thinks it will be too difficult to run speaker wire to them from the location of AVR 1. Is that any more clear?

Have read, and read some more, but am not sure that I understand "line pre-outs" correctly. So, my questions: Is "line pre-out" content the same as the signal produced by the pre-amp portion of the AVR? If an AVR has "line pre-outs" (which, as I understand things), it permits an audio source of the 1st AVR to be carried to another AVR, via RCA cables? That audio signal, is it carried in its entirety, meaning that if the main AVR is set up in a 5.1 mode, are all the channel signals carried, or will the 2nd AVR be limited to stereo sound reproduction, even if it has 5.1 or 7.1 capability? Might such an arrangement ("line pre-out" to 2nd AVR) permit the incoming signal to be shared with Zone 1 and Zone 2 of the 2nd AVR? I ask not only to understand myself, but also to help a friend, as he is considering the best options for setting up minimally 2 zones, but likely 3, or possibly even 4. Thanks for your responses--they are appreciated!

Might there be another possibility? Would a speaker selector be a possibility for the 2-channel speakers that may come about in what I referred to as Zone 3 and Zone 4? I presume that the audio source going to the selector would be the source of the output channel of the main AVR?

Hey, Scrappy. Been a while. Re my friend, a couple of things: 1) his is a non-Apple house, and 2) I think (don't know with absolute certainty) that he could run a 50' RCA red/white cable from the AVR he intends to buy to the location of the re-purposed and relocated existing Yamaha HTR-5750. Then run speaker wires to the 3rd zone (on his deck), and possibly to a 4th zone (L/R speakers only each)--for occasional use. Does that make sense?

Need advice. I am “helping” a friend with some audio decisions and equipment. He knows less than I do. Might those of you who likely know more than I do offer your ideas? Surely will appreciate it. The situation: • He will be buying a new AVR as the/one of the signal and power sources for his several areas that he desires to provide speaker output to. He will be buying speakers, too. • Does not want to “over-spend” on the AVR with features/capabilities he does not need, but knows he will have to spend whatever it takes for his preferences • He has (minimally) 2 zones he wants to serve: the main HT area, and an adjoining office w/ L/R front speakers • He has another potential zone on his deck (2 speakers) to get output to, and possibly another similar area that would be served with a L/R setup. Of course, he could “solve” this situation by purchasing a 3-zone or 4-zone capable AVR. But they can be much more expensive. Further, getting speaker wire from the main AVR to the potential zone 3 or 4 presents significant logistical difficulties. Might this be a workable and reasonable solution: • Get a good 2 zone capable AVR, and wire directly to the desired speaker output • Make sure this AVR has “pre-out” RCA jacks, which could then run red and white RCA cables to an accessible location to use the present AVR (Yamaha HTR-5750) as the amp to receive the signal inputs (it is likely that he could get the RCA cables to the downline amp more easily than trying to get speaker wire directly to the potential zone 3 and 4 speakers) • Use the Zone A/B capabilities of the Yamaha HTR-5750 to get the signals to the desired zone 3 and 4 • AM UNCERTAIN which plugs on the back of the 5750 would receive the RCA cable from the main AVR Or, I have it all wrong for a number of reasons, and better ways of accomplishing his objectives are . . . . Thanks, all, for your help!

Patience, and focus, Grasshopper.

You're a good dad, Matt!

I feel this thing slipping away . . . . Should have sent a PM and wrapped it up!

Actually, I really admire the skill and precision of the types of work you do. Your consistently achieve superb results!