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Rule of thumb would suggest having them on either side of the TV in an equilateral triangle, subs to the outside. Toe-in slightly, point the R speaker to the left ear, other speaker likewise L to R ear. Getting them away from the back wall a foot or two is also a good idea if you have the space. https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-position-your-speakers-perfectly/ All I just wrote is just to get you started. I suggest you try variations for yourself, see what sounds best to you. @wuzzzer ^^^ is spot on with what he said about distance from speakers, room characteristics, etc.
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Get on the email list so they will notify you when one becomes available. In the meantime keep checking the site and feel free to run it by your buds here to get opinions. Denon, Marantz, Yamaha Aventege, Pioneer Elite are all known to work well with Klipsch. I have a Marantz 6011 which I got used from a forum member. I saved about $500 on a still selling model a couple of years ago.
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I hope you ordered it from Amazon which has a great return policy. I don't think you'll be happy with the Sony. It is cheaply made. Most good AVR's at least have banana plug connectors. The H790 has only L/R banana plug outputs which is very odd. The rest of the connectors are the spring loaded push type which only accepts bare wire, and small bare wire at that. I doubt it will take 14 awg wire. Others here can make better recommendations than I on specific models but I would like to see you get into a Denon or Yamaha at that price point. You can save big by buying a refub model like a lot of us (including me) have. Accessories For Less.com is the go-to for us. I've gotten nothing but perfect looking products with a full warranty, and you can the extended warranty for not very much. Here is the link. It only lists a few models because I used the search filter so you could see a couple in the $400 price range. https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/denavrs940h/denon-avr-s940h-7.2-ch-x-90-watts-a/v-receiver-w/heos/1.html
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14 AWG is a good size, get at least a 100 foot spool and 150 or 200 feet would be better. Always get more than you think you'll need. Be sure to get the good stuff OFC Oxygen Free Copper and not the cheap crap CCA Copper Coated Aluminum. If it doesn't brag that it's OFC on the label then it's not. There are many good brands. I'm not recommending this stuff in the link, it's just an example. https://www.amazon.com/Performance-Gauge-Speaker-Oxygen-Copper/dp/B01NAGSG0K/ref=sr_1_4?crid=7LGMFRVHNVFQ&dchild=1&keywords=ofc%2Bspeaker%2Bwire&qid=1607648768&sprefix=ofc%2B%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-4&th=1 I also recommend using banana plugs. They won't make your speakers sound better but they are easier to use than bare wire. I highly recommend Mediabridge which I use. They have a 4.9 star rating on Amazon. If you can find something higher rated, buy it. https://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-Banana-Plugs-Corrosion-Resistant-Gold-Plated/dp/B01E0E5CIG/ref=sr_1_5?crid=3W5C84GMDOZ03&dchild=1&keywords=mediabridge+banana+plug&qid=1607649113&sprefix=mediabridge%2Caps%2C183&sr=8-5
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That stinks that Outlaw won't tell him which input transistors they think might be bad. It's only on two channels.
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He posted a short video just upstream ^^^. You might have missed it. As a test he by-passed the pre/pro and plugged the speakers directly into the amp and turned it on. I think it sounds like static but I don't know what that means, and I don't know if that noise is typical for this amp. It might be.
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I did a quick search for "Outlaw 7500 noise problems." Most users don't describe the noise as the more typical hum or hiss, but as a buzz. This seems to be characteristic of the 7500 and 7700, I didn't see a solution except to sell the amp.
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After listening to your video I agree, the noise is way too loud. Unacceptable. I'm not the expert in such things but it doesn't sound like a high ground noise which I usually think of as hiss. It sounds like static. Is there an Outlaw Users Group somewhere? I doubt you're the first one to have this problem, so maybe someone out there has a fix or a solution. +++ The owner's manual address hum and noise: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/116495/Outlaw-7500.html?page=9
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Follow the money. The fact that it was the right thing to do is just icing on the cake.
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When Chuck first attempted to break the sound barrier they weren't sure what would happen. As the speed of sound was approached the plane would start to shake and vibrate and the engineers were afraid the plane would come apart. The speed of sound truly was a barrier. What courage to be the first one to break that threshold when death was a real possibility. Chuck Yeager is from Charleston, West Virginia, about an hour from me. The Charleston WV airport is named for him. He was loved by all West Virginians and will be missed.
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Here is my Heritage Prices spreadsheet. You can research sold prices from there and figure where to list your prices. I don't know how to translate USD into loonies. In general terms a Seller want to get $100-200 over the Average price. A Buyer will want to pay $100-200 less. FYI the reason Belles don't sell for much more than $2K is because at that price range you can get Khorns, which average $2196. If yours are in Excellent condition that is also Value Added and will value your speakers at the upper end of the range. Don't assume they are all in as nice a condition as yours, I've seen Belles that were in terrible shape. Feel free to download. Edit: For technical reasons the Belle average is not correct. The actual average is $1916. Klipsch Heritage used prices ver 2020-11.xlsx
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C'mon man, you know your stuff. 🤜🤛 +++ Just like @billybob said, if you are going from the $600 7.1 to another $600 7.1 of another brand that would be a lateral move, not an upgrade. I doubt you would hear much difference or gain more features. Denon has gotten a lot of love lately and the 9.1 Denon AVR-X3700H has gotten rave reviews at $1200. If you went with last year's model X3600H which is practically the same at $900, either of those would be a substantial upgrade in sound and features. You would be moving from an entry level AVR to a mid-level unit. Disclaimer: I have not heard either unit. Both have a rating of 4.8 stars on Amazon with over 335 reviews. I tend not to trust Amazon reviews with under 100. I also compare the 5 star ratings vs the 1 star ratings. I want to see over 70% 5 star and under 10% 1 star. In this case the 5 star ratings are 80% and the 1-star is 3%. That is a really high rating for an AVR. You might want to PM Cory at @Paducah Home Theater. He might have those brands or suggest another within your budget amount. He'll give you advice that is best for you, not just for him. You could also check with @Scrappydue aka Steve who sells for Paduchah HT. He also knows his stuff and is a regular here. -
Others can advise you better than me on specific models. AVR's known to work well with Klipsch are Marantz, Denon, Pioneer, Yamaha Aventage. I own the Marantz SR 6011 110 wpc and can recommend the Marantz line. Check out accessories for less.com Many of us have bought from them with great results and a good price saving. https://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/category/avreceiver/home-audio/receivers-amps/home-theater-receivers/1.html There is a Klipsch dealer here who offers excellent service and great prices. He has AVR's as well as Klipsch. He was an active member here before he became a Klipsch dealer. You might check with Cory. I have bought from him. @Paducah Home Theater
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No, there are not enough connections in your AVR. You would need a 9.x AVR to use the 140SA speakers which would give you a 5.1.4 Atmos setup. Many people do that and it is a modern Home Theater setup. +++ If you want to keep most of what you have, which is good stuff, I would suggest you take back the 140 SA's AND the 404C. Put the extra money into the RP-504C. It would cost you next to nothing and this would be a substantial upgrade, a good place to put your money. The reason I put emphasis on the center is because ninety percent of TV/movies is dialog and 90% of dialog comes out of the center speaker. High quality here is the best use of your speaker dollars. Get the best center you can afford. This would leave you with a 5.1.2 setup. If you do what I suggest you would have the highly regarded RP-8000F floorstanders as L/R. Check. The 504C center would be the second highest quality center Klipsch offers in the HT line and gets outstanding reviews from owners. Check. (btw the best Klipsch center is the RC-64 III.) The side surrounds play mostly background sounds, if sports then crowd noise. If movies then random gunshots, birds chirping, that sort of thing. The upward firing Atmos module would give you 3-D sound. Check and check. You've already got some good detailed suggestions on hooking everything up. +++ If you need speaker wire I suggest going to Amazon and picking up 100 feet of 14 gauge OFC wire. That is Oxygen Free Copper. Do not get the cheaper CCA, Copper Clad Aluminum. The good stuff is only ten bucks more typically. There are several brands with OFC, including Monoprice. Search for them if you want a different color wire. I also recommend banana plugs. Get Mediabridge banana plugs, they have a rating of 4.9 stars on Amazon. they won't make the speakers sound better but they do have a solid connection and won't come loose. They make it easy to plug and unplug your speakers. They are optional, bare wire is OK too. Here is the Mediabridge sub cable, RCA to RCA. Rated 4.8 stars, the Best Seller on Amazon. Make sure the length is OK for you.
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I looked up your receiver, typically called an AVR, Audio Video Receiver. In the 7.2 the 7 refers to 7 speakers, the .1 means it supports one subwoofer output. Don't worry about the .1 right now, let's talk about the 7. The 7 in 7.1 typically means a surround sound system. Left/Center/Right or L/C/R, two side surround speakers SR and SL. Your AVR will require you to use these 5 speakers first before you do anything else. To get to 7 speakers you typically have Rear Surround Right & Left. What is more typical these days is to run 5 speaker and then Atmos presence speakers. The front main speaker you chose are floorstanding speakers with an additional up firing Atmos speaker that bounces the Atmos sound off the ceiling. Your 7 speakers are then called 5.1.2. The L/C/R and side surrounds, and two upfiring Atmos modules. You already bought two rear Atmos speakers which are wall mounted. That would be a 5.1.4 setup. I am not the Atmos expert but the guys who like Atmos say that the 5.1.4 is a much more immersive sound that 5.1.2. Are you with me so far?
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Got it. Remember, we all started as newbies. In my case a LOT of guys here helped me. I now know a little more than I did and I'm happy to share with you what I learned on my journey. You did a remarkedly good job with picking out good speakers your first time out. Even with the experienced guys here you will find we sometimes disagree. That's OK because I've found that even with guys with who I don't agree they make expert recommendations. For instance I like a strong center speaker to start out with. Others prefer strong L/R mains. It's all good. Listen to everybody, choose what works best for you. We all have a budget, it would be helpful to know yours. I prefer to start off with a high quality center, then L/R main speakers. Getting a good AVR is the heart of your system. A high quality 3.0 L/C/R setup sounds better than putting the same money into a 5.1 system where everything has to be cheaper to fit into the budget. We can help you choose specific Klipsch speakers within your budget. FYI someone further upstream suggested stretching the budget by picking up used Klipsch. This is an excellent idea as used Klipsch are an excellent value. I own a pair of Klipsch CF-4's which have dual 12" woofers and a fantastic sound. This flagship model sold for $2600 in 1994 which I got a few years ago for the value price of $500. Even used they typically go for $1200. Deals are out there.
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@Fero mentioned that the AVR was a Costco item. If he bought these speakers recently, then Costco is known for having a great return policy. I am with you that Mr. Fero might benefit from a general discussion about what he wants from his HT setup as if this were BEFORE he bought his speakers and AVR. Starting out with his overall budget and choice of Atmos speakers, ie upfiring vs wall mounted in his listening room. You guys can advise far better than me on Atmos as I don't run an Atmos setup. On a related topic, if Fero is able to return speakers I would like to see him spend just a few more dollars and upgrade that center to the very strong RP-504C. He's already made some excellent speaker choices, this would just be a refinement of what he already has. Edit: I just checked center speaker prices. The 440C is $500 and the 504C is $750. That's a bigger price difference than I thought. Quite a bit more money but it comes down to budget and what one needs from their HT setup.
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Receiver: TSR-700 7.1-channel AV Receiver with 8K HDMI KLIPSCH RP280FA DOLBY ATMOS FRONT SPKR (2) Two floorstanding speakers plus two built-in front Atmos speakers. That's four channels of the 7.1 setup. KLIPSCH RP-150M REFERENCE PREM.,CHERRY Two side surrounds. We are now up to six channels. KLIPSCH RP-440C REFERENCE PREM.,CHERRY Center channel. That's the seven channels, all the speakers the Yamaha will support. KLIPSCH RP-140SA REFR PREM.ATMOS,BK Two more Atmos modules, making nine speakers. This setup requires an AVR with at least 9.1.
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Some more information about you, please? I am terrible at over explaining things and I'd like to start as closely as possible so we mutually use the same terms. Are you experienced in home theater audio? Do you know the differences in the terms 7.1, 9.1, 5.1.2 and 5.1.4? I think the bottom line is going to be that you need a bigger AVR. Your Yamaha at 5.1.2 will not support the amount of speakers that you have which is 5.1.4.
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You slay me Claude! 🤣 In your honor:
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Welcome to the forum. Congrats on picking up the RB-75's. That is THE legendary stand speaker that Klipsch makes. Everyone here wishes they had one too at a great price.
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Subwoofer question: Stereo subwoofer connection?
wvu80 replied to keide's topic in General Klipsch Info
Hi Braided, wecome to the Klipsch forums. You are starting out with an excellent question. I'll try to help clarify. Let's start out with your exact setup. Plug the Sub Out from your HK to the 12S Red terminal using just one RCA-RCA cable. You are good to go with the sub cabling and this is called a low level connection. This is the most common way of connecting a sub. Monoprice.com has excellent cables and they are inexpensive. I own several. The other connection method is called a High Level connection. Your AVR supports this but not your 12S sub. High level inputs on the sub include 4 terminals instead of two. In this way one would connect the speaker wires to the L/R IN on the sub. The sub takes whatever signal it wants and passes the rest of the signal to the speakers. Not every sub has this arrangement. I have used both methods. I think High Level is considered superior but I can't hear any difference. Either method is fine depending upon the sub's inputs. https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--uKgZGGRD--/f_auto,t_supersize/v1603035192/hodxxnugpbiqrzcelmrf.jpg -
Nice find. Five Klipsch speakers (incl sub) for $250 is a complete 5.1 for someone, maybe someone starting out, something for a spare room or even a nice computer setup. If everything is in working order, can't go wrong with this one at that price.
