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Yo - take it outside folks.....

---------------- On 3/15/2005 1:16:25 PM 3dzapper wrote: You'll have to solder on your own ends. Do you think your daughter can do that for you? ---------------- Only if you want it done right

I went through many gyrations and was only able to get the right sound with the option mentioned above - using the tweet and sqwuaker from Heresy and added appropriately sized woofs. Mine came out to be 8.5" high though. I was able to use the Type E network from Heresy since I closely matched the T/S on the two 6.5" Fostex (although it took wiring in parallel and foregoing convention that these woofers were best suited for a back horn design). Here is the page you can see the results; http://home.earthlink.net/~hwatkins/id63.htm It is an extraordinarly clean match. The most tolerable non-matching center I found before this was not Klipsch - it was an Acoustic Research AR2C. By no means perfect, but a surprise performer on the voices. A relatively inexpensive option as well.

---------------- On 3/14/2005 10:20:33 PM garymd wrote: The Niles box works fine. It's the DPS-1. I've been using mine for over 2 years now. 2 amps in, 1 set of speakers out. ---------------- Yo Gary - I thought the same thing until I started work on testing and tweaking my current JBL project a couple of weeks ago. As I was moving between the HK AVR40 and the Fisher 400 connected in the dps-1 I was getting a distict influence from the fisher to the HK (nothing noticable vice versa). I am not sure what was happening there but it has been a bit disconcerting ever since. There is clearly much less (if any) effect when the other reciever is unpowered, but since I use the HK as a pre for the CD to the fisher I will be doing abit more fiddling to see what may be happening here.

Wrapping your house in aluminum foil works and cuts down on future painting costs. Otherwise, if this is a brand new thing it is pretty safe to assume that a station just finished some transmitter work and is, for now, a bit over powered for the type of broadcast antenna used. Doesn't fix your problem, but the FCC is pretty darn stringent and should catch this soon. Of the solutions noted - coax is a pretty good idea. Manufacturing standards for coax have been around for quite some time so you usually get an excellent product.

Made my day - LOL. Friend wife was looking ove my shoulder reading the Ebay listing - said she really likes the sound of our Klipsch, but can understand the wife (uh oh). Nick - m00n has it right - all in good time.....

My 2 cents - when you are sitting in the sweet spot they (and other quality stats) may well be my favorite speakers. It is like exquisite, seamless multiway room sized headphones. With the right electronics it is a very memorable listening experience. My problem - it really was a pretty small sweet spot. If your ear gets above the panel or a bit off axis the whole sound gets different. It is not that room filling wholeness that I tend to like best over time.

---------------- On 3/4/2005 7:30:05 PM thebes wrote: Thanks to a fellow forum member I have downloaded the tube serach feature at this site, and fond it very useful in obtaining tube data. It hasn't been posted in a while so here it is: http://www.duncanamps.com/ Download the TDSL Personal Addition. Very cool. ---------------- Dang it Thebes - thanks for taking time away from the twins and posting this site. Most Excellent...

Just a quick question - is this a 'pop' theat you hear through your speakers? If so you do have some sort of chasis grounding issue.

good work John - I will be adding you to my list of folks to help me finish my current crossover delimma on a JBL build (trust me - it took AL a full two days to get irritated with my elementary school questions). OK, just for grins - since you folks have your pencil neck geek hats on today - Since you are talking about taking the back cover off a compression driver I am a bit interested in what happens to that tiny little back wave when the cover is on. I assume it has the same sort of affect of a sealed box cone. I would think that the back wave is too small to be of significant consequence, however the thought of taking the back of the driver to the drill press and putting in tiny little ports is intriguing.

FYI - Specs and replacement parts for L200B: http://audioheritage.csdco.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=3556

Having a 7.1 set up for several years I will offer my 2 cents - All hertiage is an excellent way to go - However...I have heresy main, center (homemade) and sides and originally had heresy for the rear (these are now in my office). The rear channel(s) were so benign that I chose to go with a much smaller speaker and I have noticed little (if any) differences in HT sound. Trust that I use a critical ear (but it is all IMHO) when determining this. I can't speak totally to all mixes, but for my taste the rear channel stuff is generally an excellent fill and little else.

As to building new heresy cabinets - if you take one apart you will see a pretty simple structure. I is the way I make most my own speaker boxes. Build it as a replication of what you see. I would save and reuse the baffles if at all possibble since they are a pain to cut out. Square the box and then veneer. It is pretty straight forward. Other than the rear damage you could probably have a cabinet maker repair the existing box and then put on new veneer with little real hard work. That back corner offers a problem and the integrity of the box would need to be part of the repair. Good luck.

---------------- On 2/22/2005 8:40:37 AM DeanG wrote: I say make it a separate and distinct division of Klipsch Technologies. Call it HeritageWorks® or something. Offer knockdown kits for all the Heritage speakers including the Jubilee. Include services for various types of custom work. Hire a cranky old bastard to run the thing, someone who stops the show everytime the glue drips where it isn't supposed to. ---------------- Three cheers for Dean.....

I suggest you not ignore Brennan's brief statement - I wholeheartedly agree about the 100hz to 12khz regarding the best Altec. It is so good that it can become your new mantra in speakers. That said, a bunch of folks like to see both ends of that enhanced. While my ear says that the Khorn gives up a bit in the Altec sounds great range, I think that the Khorn is a better all around loudspeaker. Granted that much of this is on the lower end - I have heard folks modified mids and tweets that make me give unqualified support to the Khorn design. My own experience in putting together speakers from pieces also validates that opinion. If I had Khorns in play today I would be looking at various options for the compression drivers and horns if I was chasing my personal best solution. BTW - I have not mentioned Max's recommendation - he is right, but I am the type of person that can't justified the difference in taste between a $70 bottle of wine and a $500 bottle of wine. For those that are so compelled I suggest the Trio. For those looking for a loudspeaker that does a real decent Khorn sound that is reasonably priced (and addresses some of my mentioned Khorn weaknesses) I also recommend Dr. Edgars stuff.

I'll second the Eminence recommendation. As a matter of fact, I have used several of their woofs in my DIY projects. I find them to be a great bang for the buck and very true to their published specifications.

2 cents - For 3/4" ply or MDF a router is a good way to go. Simply use a 1/4" straight bit and make several passes increasing the depth of the cut each time. The rotary saws (for the most part) do not like the thicker, dense wood cuts. As to circles - the DIY jig is great. There are several inexpensive circle adapters as well. I have one that goes up to 10" radius - that should let me handle most speaker openings (that would be a 20" woofer) I may need. They are all easy to use after you screw up your first two attempts (hint). I do horn cutouts almost exclusively with the horns attaching to the front of the baffle - that frees me to some degree on making precise cut outs. When I do recess the lens face I have to be much more careful. I usually cut a bit small and use the dremel to sand to size in that instance.

Allan - you sure you didn't get that from a local drive in theater? Now that brought on a flashback like memory spurt - I learned so much from seeing movies at the drive in. It was my first on several levels: Criminal - getting in via the car trunk Hoosier - lawn chairs in the back of the pick up Drinking - What else do you do on Saturday night with the fifth showing in 5 weeks of Kelly's Heros? Sex - no specifics, use your imagination....

Please feel free to blast me, so here goes - I would get a kick out of Liz Story sitting in as well as composing for this collection of folks (actually the composing may be what I want most). I have heard her sitting in with others and have always enjoyed the results (at least my ears were pleased). 2 cents

---------------- On 2/6/2005 9:53:49 PM Seadog wrote: Congratulations on the birthday, the Khorns, and the cool wife! ---------------- Something akin to the trinity? Congrats.

You should be OK at the 20 -30 feet range. You do have to remember that fiber is not 'lossless' - there is a degredation of the signal as the light refracts on impurities in the glass and through radius of the bends - although it is pretty darn clean in comparison to the standard electron agitation used with metal conductors. The lightwave engine is also a culprit in how tolerant (read this to mean how well it averages the signal degredation) the wave decoder is in relation to the method of encoding employed by the engine. These are usually issues that show up a greater distances than we deal with in a home.

Is this kind of like a tube crucifixion?

---------------- On 2/4/2005 9:36:54 PM davmar wrote: ---------------- On 2/4/2005 7:16:57 PM mungkiman wrote: My package of Silence arrived today. I truly appreciate your continued dedication to this forum and it's members! Chris ---------------- I put my package of silence under my dome of silence and now I can't hear it ---------------- Agent 99 included?

I am on Daddy's side here m00n - Rotel is known for not bad stuff and for $30 you may have a steal - I imagine it will be at least worth the thirty bucks.

Thanks everyone for their comments. Thanks Minn - I figured as much on the 8 ohm, but needed a knowledgable person to help. Thanks Sunny for your experience. I am looking for a more pleasing sound for the backyard/porch/pool/deck. Aesthetics and smaller size was part of what I am after with s touch of higher efficiency to possibly get away from that darn hiss I have when trying t get a bit of volume out of the wireless (cheap) speakers. I have listened to the Niles stuff and was quite unimpressed - I would go with Yamaha that was less than half the price and I am quite sure that a bad Klipsch product would beat either one. No real budget for this - I can always be talked into over spending... Khorn - LOL - thanks for getting this thread toward Fini's suggestion of turning the Khorn into an indoor/outdoor speaker. Was DMan or Qman that turned it on its side for a center - I am starting to visualize now - hung from the porch rafters. I am sure the lovely wife will see the beauty of it.... Now I do like the Lascala concept but probably a bit large and I have had Heresy out doors - their sealed design really makes them bass shallow without the assistance of walls (small ported speakers will project better or add a ported bass bin somewhere). That old professional ported heresy might do the trick though. Thanks to all for your help.