Zen Traveler Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) different, they are going to help...im talking about people who are travelling for pleasure. I gather you are also okay with the doctors and nurses that are going there--If that is so I agree...That said, I definitely feel there needs to be protocol followed by "vacationers" that choose to travel, which seems like it's being done. I don't agree that it's a belated response from our government and found it interesting that NONE of the family members of Eric Duncan (1st Ebola patient who died in the US) or any of the other 21 people that had close contact with him got the disease--His family was with him for several days after he was symptomatic and actually stayed in that apartment for several days after he was admitted to the hospital.. Edited October 25, 2014 by tkdamerica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Who cleans a loaded gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 ...I am a big believer in Constitutional Rights...but this is the correct action to take. Too bad Obola couldn't get off the golf course long enough to do this a month ago at the national level. I can't believe this thread didn't get shut down after the first post given this comment. I too am a believer in Constitutional Rights and the First Amendment is paramount...That said, this is a Speaker Forum and there are places where discussions like this are appropriate but calling the POTUSA 'Obola" in a thread about Ebola seems needlessly political and IS against Forum Rules. That said, I am not going to lobby to get it shut down just wanted to point that out.... Of course I see it's also turned into another Gun debate so I am sure that is a subject no one has strong feelings about. For the record, I don't have a problem with either discussion but when it gets to name calling it seems things get out of hand quickly and why we are fortunate no one can actually bring a gun to a speaker forum where who knows what could be the outcome--Then again, can't catch Ebola from one either unless you believe 'The Media." LOL! Some of the new forum moderators even post political comments and photos, these days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) Some of the new forum moderators even post political comments and photos, these days... Really? Fwiw, I wasn't complaining but having had these discussions realize that folks can get bent out of shape quick...Words are a powerful tool to rile emotions and idiotic comments seem to run rampant when allowed to do so--I guess I'd better watch my back (and comments) or one of those moderators will strike me with warning points and I want to keep my slate clean...Then again, it's been a while since I've been banned from an audio forum. Edited October 25, 2014 by tkdamerica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I can't believe this thread didn't get shut down after the first post given this comment. It's close, my friend. I was trying to say that nicely. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Some of the new forum moderators even post political comments and photos, these days... Really? Fwiw, I wasn't complaining but having had these discussions realize that folks can get bent out of shape quick...Words are a powerful tool to rile emotions and idiotic comments seem to run rampant when allowed to do so--I guess I'd better watch my back (and comments) or one of those moderators will strike me with warning points and I want to keep my slate clean...Then again, it's been a while since I've been banned from an audio forum. Yes. Really. Edited October 27, 2014 by mungkiman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 PS - Dave Mallette is most honorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) A debate on gun control? Really?? Injecting that in a discussion on Ebola containment??!! Hijacking. Yep, that's what it is. Glad someone pointed it out to me before I got involved. Won't get on the soap box at this time. I kinda like some political debate in this forum. However name calling contributes nothing to the thread other than showing ignorance and a lack of respect for others. I can see where an exception to my statement would be where at least the poster and the person being called something know it is in jest. Perhaps we are being tested to see if we are intelligent enough to be civil when political statements are made. Thus allowing more room to step in it before scraping it off our shoe. Edited October 26, 2014 by Taz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) I kinda like some political debate in this forum. However name calling contributes nothing to the thread other than showing ignorance and a lack of respect for others. I can see where an exception to my statement would be where at least the poster and the person being called something know it is in jest. Perhaps we are being tested to see if we are intelligent enough to be civil when political statements are made. Thus allowing more room to step in it before scraping it off our shoe. I like this comment, however in the initial post that started this thread the POTUSA was called a name that detracted from the topic du jour. Otoh, more Americans have a chance of being shot than catching Ebola and that would be the case if we limited the discussion to hospital workers in the USA....Of course stating it that way makes it more of a 'political' statement and the fact I find amazing is that none of the family and friends of the initial patient from Liberia have Ebola yet were exposed to him when he was contagious. For the record, I think "the Media" is making more of this story than it actually deserves. Edited October 26, 2014 by tkdamerica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MORE KLIPSCH PLEASE Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Who cleans a loaded gun?People with Ebola.....I'm outa here never to return........to this thread..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 A debate on gun control? Really?? Injecting that in a discussion on Ebola containment??!! Hijacking. Yep, that's what it is. Glad someone pointed it out to me before I got involved. Won't get on the soap box at this time. I kinda like some political debate in this forum. However name calling contributes nothing to the thread other than showing ignorance and a lack of respect for others. I can see where an exception to my statement would be where at least the poster and the person being called something know it is in jest. Perhaps we are being tested to see if we are intelligent enough to be civil when political statements are made. Thus allowing more room to step in it before scraping it off our shoe. Pretty sure "Obola" doesn't know whether or not the comment was in jest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) I kinda like some political debate in this forum. However name calling contributes nothing to the thread other than showing ignorance and a lack of respect for others. I've been around a long time. Way back, the lounge (under a different name) was open to almost anything. However, as you mention, there are always immature children who when confronted with a position they disagree with or a politician they didn't vote for go into juvenile mode and start name calling. When Amy came along, she cleaned the place up nicely. While a few old pioneers miss some of the rough and tumble of those days, this is a fundamentally better place for Amy's efforts. During the years I worked with her I left all the thread locking and such to her as she was superb at it and paid for it. With her gone it's Chad's responsibility. However, he stays busy just keeping the engines running here and his deputies have been expanded to keep the peace. While I still will be very slow to lock, warn, or worse...I do know it when I see it and will only hesitate long enough to ask myself "What would Amy do?". All in all, I just want to enjoy the music and great company here. Dave Edited October 27, 2014 by Mallette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Well put, Dave! I like that..." What would Amy do?" I firmly believe that there is no gun accident that isn't a direct result of a gun safety rule or combination of rules being broken... period. That said... it seems that we don't yet know all the "RULES" when it comes to ebola. It would be nice if there was enough clear and accurate information where we could adequately and calmly handle ebola prevention and treatment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAKO Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I DISAGREE,,,I THOUGHT SHE WAS HEAVY HANDED... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I firmly believe that there is no gun accident that isn't a direct result of a gun safety rule or combination of rules being broken... period As a training professional who has spent decades in the oil patch, just take out "gun" and you have the explanation for ALL accidents. I've yet to find any task in the oil patch where injury or incident cannot be reduced to negligence, OEM error, or an Act of God by good training. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 If you want to know how to handle and be around guns take a 2 week course in the Marine Corps. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Well put, Dave! I like that..." What would Amy do?" I firmly believe that there is no gun accident that isn't a direct result of a gun safety rule or combination of rules being broken... period. That said... it seems that we don't yet know all the "RULES" when it comes to ebola. It would be nice if there was enough clear and accurate information where we could adequately and calmly handle ebola prevention and treatment. Again, if this is a thread about Ebola, then one must realize that to get it you must be in contact with a person who's symptomatic and has fluids coming out of their body--The only people who've gotten Ebota in this country are those Healthcare workers who came in contact with Eric Duncan or those that traveled to Africa to help those infected with the virus--So far that total is 2 that contracted it here and 3 who contracted it abroad, afaik. Interestingly enough (once again) NONE of the 21 family members/friends who were in contact with Eric Duncan when he was symptomatic got Ebola and I found that surprising... Insofar as the gun discussion--Agreed that accidents happen if safety rules aren't followed, but that isn't the only gun deaths and injuries we have in this country. Some are intentional shootings and not always by the gun owner. The latest example is making the rounds in the News. and more Americans died in that one incident than have died because of Ebola. In fact, have any Americans died of Ebola? Edited October 28, 2014 by tkdamerica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Have any Americans died? Are you asking about whether any have died IN America? http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/29/health/ebola-outbreak-american-dies/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) Have any Americans died? Are you asking about whether any have died IN America? http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/29/health/ebola-outbreak-american-dies/ I hadn't realized any American had died anywhere, but given that poor gentleman's circumstance of taking care of his sister in Liberia unprotected, it seems he didn't understand the ramifications. Thanks for posting that link, but he would've been the perfect candidate for a 21 day waiting period in Africa before boarding that plane and entering this country...That said and what we know now--I'm not so sure about those Healthcare workers and doctors coming back who did take the necessary precautions and aren't symptomatic--they should definitely be monitored but they are also the ones who would want to seek help as soon as their temperature started to rise because they saw the devastation first hand and know they would be treated here. {EDIT: I don't think they should be quarantined just because they went to help as professionals.} Edited October 28, 2014 by tkdamerica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Had a painter show up on the job site today, sick as anyone I've seen this year. "Tom" complained how he couldn't believe how inconsiderate another friend was for showing up at his house over the weekend, while obviously sick. I sent "Tom" home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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