sreeram5mvn Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Hi folks, I have purchased a pair of klipsch rf82 speaker 3 weeks back and got the denon x2000 avr for them after much research and thought. now my problem is that these speakers sound bright whatever i do with the settings also tried audessey set up multiple times. I have still time to return the denon avr. To add i have listened to these speakers several times at my frnds house paired with yamaha rx-v475 and loved them as they sounded full and warm and it was from then i wanted these speakers so i hope there is no problem with the speakers and i have no intension of returning them. But i am here to take suggestions for an avr other than denon that will sound warmer. To add i even hear a small hiss after each word in the dialogue. Please help me out people. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Sreeram5mvn, Welcome to the forum. I have a couple of questions first before I offer any advice. What size is your room? Hard floors or carpet? Curtains on windows? Ceiling, high, low, or vaulted(sloped)? Based on your answers, you may have room issues that Audyssey is having a tough time with. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 The room as Willard said, if it is hard and reflective, it would not be good for a speaker such as the RF82. Additionally that particular Denon may not be up to the task. Most likely the RF82II, due to the dual woofers, will require a substantial amount of current in the bass which many receivers are not capable of giving. Suggestions on other AVRs? I think that particular speaker, most dual woofer klipsch speakers in general, require good current delivery to drive the bass and sound the best. AVRs certified for 4 ohm would likely be best, such as some of the Pioneer series. If not, go separates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swapface Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I currently use RF82II as part of my home theater. My experience has been that they get warmer as you give them more current like pzannucci mentions above. If fist started out with using a Pioneer Elite VSX-52 which is listed at 110 WPC. The speakers were on the bright side even though I have them on carpet. I then bi-amped them with the Pioneer and that made a significant difference. Much warmer and more low mids and upper lows. My next step was to go with separates using the pre-outs from the Pioneer to a Emotiva XPA-5 at a true 200 WPC. This again made a significant difference and has left me satisfied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreeram5mvn Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Room size is 14x14x12 Carpet floored Windows but no curtains just plastic shades Celing is flat I would like to go for separates but budget wouldnt allow me right now , may be in future. My budget for avr is $500 right now and moreover i came to know that x2000 does bot have a main zone pre out even if i want to add an ext amp to it. So right now just looking at returning it and buy something else that would sound warmer or has power to drive these speakers Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreeram5mvn Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Room size is 14x14x12 Carpet floored Windows but no curtains just plastic shades Celing is flat I would like to go for separates but budget wouldnt allow me right now , may be in future. My budget for avr is $500 right now and moreover i came to know that x2000 does bot have a main zone pre out even if i want to add an ext amp to it. So right now just looking at returning it and buy something else that would sound warmer or has power to drive these speakers Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sreeram5mvn, Welcome to the forum. I have a couple of questions first before I offer any advice. What size is your room? Hard floors or carpet? Curtains on windows? Ceiling, high, low, or vaulted(sloped)? Based on your answers, you may have room issues that Audyssey is having a tough time with. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 So right now just looking at returning it and buy something else that would sound warmer or has power to drive these speakers If you liked your friends Yamaha, why not try one at your place? For $500.00, you could get a nice unit online.Most of the lower YAMAHA models are going to give you 90 watts per channel and may not have the option of hooking up an amp externally, but you could get something from the AVENTAGE line that will have more power,and can add in an external amp. I personally like the Yamahas as they give a wider fuller sound field to me than Denon, with Denon giving more sound quality towards voice in my opinion. You could also upgrade to the 3000 as it will give you a little more power and amenities. Also, speaker placement may help. Try moving them around or toeing them in so the tweeters either meet at your ears or just outside of them.Think Triangle with the speakers being points and your sitting position as another point.Curtains may also help a little. I've owned Yamahas mostly, starting with the RX-V2095 and then with the newer models being the RX-V 573,575,675, and now the RX-A2020.If you are looking for a model to hook up and external amp, look at the RX-V 7 SERIES as they are the top of the RX line,then would be the RX-A 8 series and up.Their set up system isn't as involved as Audyssey,but works fine to give a starting point. I've only had issues on sound when the speakers were rated much more than the output power where the receiver has to work to hard to power the speakers at high levels. Once I upped the power output, things got substantially better and when I played with placement,even better.Quick reference point should be your seating area should be about the same distance as the width of the speakers for a starting point if possible. If going the route of the Denon again, try the X-3000, or if you can stretch the X-4000. They are both discontinued models,but have more capabilities then the X-2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Not the newest in the Pioneer line though a good receiver, 4ohm capable: http://www.rakuten.com/prod/pioneer-sc-1222-a-v-receiver-7-2-channel-black-multizone-dolby-truehd/242277809.html?listingId=370022314&sclid=pla_google_Bigbenoutlet&adid=29963&gclid=CPTqks2zucICFaHm7AodIlEAoA Just a little over your budget.but as others here have found, sounds good and capable of using with external amps in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 to bad... I just sold my SC35 for $350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckAb3 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I switched from a Denon AVR to Marantz separates a couple of years ago with good results. The Denon was bright to the point of being irritating. Not so for the Marantz. I see where budget does not allow for separates right now, but perhaps a Marantz AVR would be a good stop-gap measure. Their house sound has always been on the warmer side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I replied to your thread over at AVS and feel it could have to do with how you ran Audyssey setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I switched from a Denon AVR to Marantz separates a couple of years ago with good results. The Denon was bright to the point of being irritating. Not so for the Marantz. I see where budget does not allow for separates right now, but perhaps a Marantz AVR would be a good stop-gap measure. Their house sound has always been on the warmer side. Which Denon AVR? For the record, it is my understanding that Denon and Marantz use the same amps and topography given they are owned by the same company and are made in the same plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 For those interested here is the discussion happening over on AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1797825-klipsch-rf-82-denon-x2000-dissapointed.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreeram5mvn Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 For those interested here is the discussion happening over on AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/1797825-klipsch-rf-82-denon-x2000-dissapointed.html Thanks for the help bro...Ya seen y'all replies in there...Will be trying the suggested options today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreeram5mvn Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 I switched from a Denon AVR to Marantz separates a couple of years ago with good results. The Denon was bright to the point of being irritating. Not so for the Marantz. I see where budget does not allow for separates right now, but perhaps a Marantz AVR would be a good stop-gap measure. Their house sound has always been on the warmer side. Which Denon AVR? For the record, it is my understanding that Denon and Marantz use the same amps and topography given they are owned by the same company and are made in the same plants. I am using Denon x2000. Helpful folks in AvsForum suggested that mic should not be placed on a flat surface during the Audessey set up which i was doing the whole time. I will try setting up by placing the mic on tripod and see if that solves the issue. And as you have tried both Denon and Marantz. Do the Marantz sound warmer than Denon?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) And as you have tried both Denon and Marantz. Do the Marantz sound warmer than Denon?? I am not speaking for the OP but to be fair he was talking about using an upper-end pre-amp/processor with an external amp compared to an unspecified AVR--The price/performance gap could be considerable...As mentioned, Marantz and Denon are made by the same company and the innards/amps of both are quite similar in comparable models. Edited December 9, 2014 by tkdamerica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swapface Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 to bad... I just sold my SC35 for $350. Dang, that was a pretty good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Do the Marantz sound warmer than Denon?? Typically yes, as stated above, they are owned by the same company and the lower ended models Denon will not sound as good or warm as Marantz as the better quality stuff goes into the Marantz name 1st. Marantz has the warmer sound overall in my opinion and once you get to the upper ended models they do sound more alike as they use almost all of the same innards as per my phone conversations with Denon and Marantz. I have all 3 receiver's I named and as per warmness it's Marantz,Denon, and Yamaha. As for a fuller sound field with music,it's Yamaha,Denon,Marantz in my opinion. I've said Marantz focuses more on voice when listening to music and Yamaha focusing more on instruments with Denon in the middle.At least that's what I get from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 First thing I'd do is turn Audessey off and see if it improves. Even with my SR-7009 with Audessey XT32 it brightens things up significantly, which I don't particularly like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I have all 3 receiver's I named and as per warmness it's Marantz,Denon, and Yamaha. As for a fuller sound field with music,it's Yamaha,Denon,Marantz in my opinion. I've said Marantz focuses more on voice when listening to music and Yamaha focusing more on instruments with Denon in the middle.At least that's what I get from it. I realize this is a subjective opinion but that is a pretty intricate detail field you have them divided especially when you consider all of the parameters that can be manipulated in the various AVRs, not to mention speakers being used (and different room acoustics). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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