mustang guy Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Love it Dave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Well, isn't it what we are after in our listening rooms? I have said before that the most degrading thing an audiophile can hear is "Wow! Those are great sounding loudspeakers!" Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) I have said before that the most degrading thing an audiophile can hear is "Wow! Those are great sounding loudspeakers!" I think some people don't know how to express what they are hearing with a great system, so they say the speakers sound great. My old church in Atlanta (could only seat 200-300 I guess). There were two panels on each side of the altar with trefoil designs in the wooden screens. All that was used for speaking fed two coaxials right behind those. Totally invisible and plenty of clarity for the whole congregation. Mark, we'll just have to disagree on what makes a good church service. Concerts I don't need... Bruce Edited January 30, 2015 by Marvel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Bruce, I meant audiophile to audiophile. I think most of us will agreed that the magic happens when a "hole" opens up where a loudspeaker is standing and you seem to be hearing straight through into another place. THAT's what I'm talking about. Mark, we'll just have to disagree on what makes a good church service. Concerts I don't need... Yep. And if I want to watch TV or a slide show, I'll do it at home. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Well the pics from OP were Rane, powered speakers. Actually good stuff! Not sure why those were posted if those were not the subject of the thread. Maybe just a mistake. No big deal. Dave/Bruce - My comments were not intended to be about what I consider makes a good church service. Sorry. Everyone has their own opinions and we don't need to discuss here. It's just that our church is so heavily into the music program that when I saw this thread I immediately thought of suggesting professional help. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Got it, Mark. No debate of such things here and it's all good. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Agreed! Professional help can be good. It depends on whether or not you are a consultant, integrator or both. I've just see a lot of things done wrong over the years. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Well the pics from OP were Rane, powered speakers. Actually good stuff! Not sure why those were posted if those were not the subject of the thread. Maybe just a mistake. No big deal. I don't think Craig could get close enough to take closeup pics of the original speaker, so to get the conversation going he posted pics of a similar looking powered speaker. Several posts later he clarified that he thought those might have been Behringer speakers, a couple hundred bucks each. Not everybody has the time to read every post, so it's easy for a couple of posts to get past you. And like you said, no big deal. Edited January 30, 2015 by wvu80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Great looking church! If any of you go to San Francisco, attend a service in Grace Cathedral (Episcopal), and, with luck, you may hear the two organs answering each other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Grace has an INCREDIBLE compline. No religion required... Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Would playing chopsticks on this organ be heresy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Nope. You'd need K'horns and at least a Cinema F-20. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Would playing chopsticks on this organ be heresy? very impressive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Would playing chopsticks on this organ be heresy? very impressive It's an organ in Philadelphia somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Probably in a pizza joint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 This is an amazing organ recital! I had to share it: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Great photos of the install there. First - that Shure Vocal Master should bring a pretty penny to the church. Vintage collectors would LOVE to have a system in that condition once it's cleaned up. It's a very early PA system, that head unit most probably has a tube amp or pre-amp system. The new system doesn't have a bad sound board but that installation leaves much to be desired. Masking tape for labels, cables routed terribly, no cabinet for wireless receivers, very thin zip cord for speaker runs, the list is endless. My guess is that the speakers are not made to be flown or are rigged in a haphazard manner which is VERY DANGEROUS!!! The Klipsch KP262 are engineered to be flown, they have special hanging points which are metal brackets inside the cabinet such that all force is distributed to the side walls of the cabinet, ie the cabinet will not disassemble in the air raining down woofer and tweeters upon an unsuspecting congregation. Wiring for such a distance should probably be at least 16 gauge wire, probably 14 gauge to avoid signal loss. How such a system is installed without any system equalization is beyond me. Is there not enough volume out of the system before feedback occurs or can the pastor not approach the line of the speakers? I will msg my phone number should you want to discuss the installation a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang guy Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 I don't have the details. I figure the people who made the final decision chose the cheapest bidder. I was told that there was another bidder that was quite a bit higher that actually did some engineering and was to provide racks, etc. There is NO DOUBT that I will offend somebody. You get what you bloody pay for. I have the number of the guy who put in the system. I am going to call him and ask a few pointed questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallette Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 There is NO DOUBT that I will offend somebody Absolutely no doubt. Just came off 3 years on Vestry. I think I offended almost everybody by the time I was done, especially with the pipe organ. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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