joessportster Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) My current DAC is the only DAC that I have listened to that made me get out of Vinyl , one also needs to consider other gear in the chain which will have a great effect on the sound of the DAC . Power Supply's IC Cables Power Cable etc . Also the system as a whole You dont change the sound of the dac, you change the sound of the final product leaving the speakers / cans.....................Which dac do you have now ?? Edited September 11, 2015 by joessportster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1UC Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) I have a Totaldac D1 Dual Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited September 11, 2015 by A1UC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1UC Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) I can change the sound of my DAC through psu and cables Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited September 11, 2015 by A1UC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Interesting read guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) I can change the sound of my DAC through psu and cables Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk you can have an effect on the overall sound but cannot change the sound of the "DAC" semantics I know Very nice DAC by the way Sometimes I like to play the DEVILS ADVOCATE Edited September 11, 2015 by joessportster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tromprof Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 It seems like DACs have come a long way in just a few years and there are a lot of good ones even at low price points. Another fly in the ointment is interaction between a computer and the DAC. Which output codec you use also affects sound. I have not had a chance (or available funds) to try a Sabre chipped DAC yet, it seems that most think it is a step forward in the technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1UC Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Here is some info on the TotaldacR2R DAC technology using 0.01% VAR Bulk Metal Foil resistors Vishay Foil Resistors, 200 resistors per stereo channel.My DAC has 2 DAC's per CH Edited September 11, 2015 by A1UC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Sound Source--->Microphone---->Analog Fun and Magic and Mystery --->Some Generic Digital Chips---->More Analog Fun and Magic and Mystery----->Your Speakers And we get right back to fully subjective words like resolution and harshness and transparency and smoothness, which mean absolutely nothing, except to the ONE person using the word to describe sounds he is hearing. The audiophile world didn't lose a single lever over our sound systems. Still as irrational as they were in 1948! Love it. EDIT: I hope I didn't offend anyone. It wasn't my goal. I just got fascinated when I read a couple posts and realized that digital chips, which are incontrovertibly measureable, didn't change anything about how we choose audio gear! In other words, there was no subjective advantage to go digital. Convenience, I can hold 10,000 albums in the palm of 1 hand, Try that with Vinyl or tape Right. That's the essential advantage of digital music. It's like comparing the internet to the old telephone as a comms channel. No contest on that feature. But, then you are stuck listening to it. It's like it has a built in punishment.Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Here is some info on the Totaldac R2R DAC technology using 0.01% VAR Bulk Metal Foil resistors Vishay Foil Resistors, 200 resistors per stereo channel. My DAC has 2 DAC's per CH VERY NICE My next dac will be R2R but it wont be the total dac unless someone wills me one and I am the only person in my family that is into audio Edited September 11, 2015 by joessportster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Since/if DACs all sound different, and carefully crafted DACs sound best, shouldn't there be more difference in the sound of all inexpensive DACS? I can't really hear the difference between a CD played back on the analog output of my Rotel RCD-02 CD player or its digital output fed into my AVR's DAC. Both sound the same; both image the same... to me. So... since I want to use a subwoofer, I use the AVR DACs because it does bass management. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted September 11, 2015 Author Share Posted September 11, 2015 Since/if DACs all sound different, and carefully crafted DACs sound best, shouldn't there be more difference in the sound of all inexpensive DACS? Maybe. But what's more interesting to me is this principle: If the difference in sound is "magic" and so far that's what we have concluded, then it very well could happen that the "best sounding" one could just as easily cost $100 as $5000, because magic could happen in any of the billions of combinations. This is exactly like the old world of audiophilia in the 1970s and 80s. A $100 speaker would suddenly be pronounced as the dragon slayer they could best speakers costing $5000. Remember the old "Fulton FMI 80?" LOL! I think many people predicted that digital would eliminate this magic world. It didn't. Not at all. I find that very interesting. And, I think it is the strongest evidence possible that there is no reference! All that counts is that your ears enjoy some certain kind of sound that is only known to YOU! No references exist, no standards, no rules. It's 100% subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1UC Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Just because one spends more on a DAC does not mean it will be better , Bad part is that's usually how it ends up though Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Here is some info on the Totaldac R2R DAC technology using 0.01% VAR Bulk Metal Foil resistors Vishay Foil Resistors, 200 resistors per stereo channel. My DAC has 2 DAC's per CH The Benchmark DAC2 has 4 32-bit Sabre DACs per channel and runs around $2K. But it is also a preamp. I know there are other units that do as much and more (DVDs+), have the same Sabre combination, and cost around $1K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1UC Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Totaldac is also a preamp , and Totaldac said one would have to spend 10k plus to best the preamp section in the Totaldac Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Totaldac is also a preamp , and Totaldac said one would have to spend 10k plus to best the preamp section in the Totaldac Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk What else would totaldac say, Uh our pre-amp section is kinda good ........................I am not knocking totaldac nor there prices but if you pay what they sell for the builder better damn well say the thing is like liquid platinum in every respect 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1UC Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Totaldac does not sell for less than web prices , and yes totaldac is that good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Here is some info on the Totaldac R2R DAC technology using 0.01% VAR Bulk Metal Foil resistors Vishay Foil Resistors, 200 resistors per stereo channel. My DAC has 2 DAC's per CH I'm just not seeing 12k worth of effort there... FWIW, Total DAC isn't the only player in the game using the very great Vishay resistors and multiple DACS per channel. Edited September 11, 2015 by Schu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A1UC Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Show me any review on a Dac that beat Totaldac ? Ill wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul79 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) But Totaldac IS the only player that is making the actual DAC's out of these resistors. There are no off the shelf DAC chips in the Totaldac's. These resistors ARE the DAC's.... The D1 Dual uses over 200 of them, at about $20 a piece, it is pretty easy to see where the money is. Like crystal clear. Then you got casework, Premium Clocks, Inputs, outputs, circuit boards, supplies, packaging, audio shows, overhead, profit...... Don't matter, just stick with your W4S. If it makes you happy, so be it. That's what this is all about. Your blinders save you money Edited September 11, 2015 by paul79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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