michael.tate Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I'm not impressed. I bought largest entry level towers they make but the satellites they replaced sound better. It's like I'm not even moving the woofers and it's hooked up to a Denon AVR-589. I left the straps hooked up to the binding posts. I even switched over to stereo and turned the channel gain on the AVR all the way up to the highest level +12dB on both towers. Any help would be appreciated. I also turned off Dynamic EQ and VOL. set the channel cross over as low as it would go at 40Hz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Seems that the unit you have is really light on power running 75 watts into 2 channels and less at 5. So there's a couple things to check. 1. Turn the crossover up to 80 Hz, the R-28F's aren't designed to dig way deep like the Reference II or Premier lines are. 2. Make sure the speakers are set to small, they're not full range. 3. Make sure you've adjusted tone control appropriately. If all that still fails to yield a result, you might look at the legit Reference speakers, i.e. the RF-82 II that's on clearance, juxtaposed to the rebranded Icon line at Best Buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebuy Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 While the R-28F is an entry level speaker---With a little adjustment to the AVR it can sound quite good. I'm suggesting you have not set the AVR to make these speakers sound good---turn the gain down for one thing, Plus 12 is gonna make your speakers sound like crap. I have a Denon and it plays my Synergy just fine but I do Not use the Dynamic EQ. I manually EQ for my personal taste and my room acoustics and that includes the gain also. It might take some Thought and some experimentation but with the right settings, those speakers should sound acceptable---Good Luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebuy Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 hour ago, IbizaFlame said: Seems that the unit you have is really light on power running 75 watts into 2 channels and less at 5. So there's a couple things to check. 1. Turn the crossover up to 80 Hz, the R-28F's aren't designed to dig way deep like the Reference II or Premier lines are. 2. Make sure the speakers are set to small, they're not full range. 3. Make sure you've adjusted tone control appropriately. If all that still fails to yield a result, you might look at the legit Reference speakers, i.e. the RF-82 II that's on clearance, juxtaposed to the rebranded Icon line at Best Buy. I really have to disagree with many of these ideas that you have about Klipsch "Entry Level" speakers. I would Not run a R 28F as a "Small Speaker"-- they do have dual 8 inch drivers and while they're not the same drivers found in the reference series---they're not really a Slouch for low sound either. My entry level Synergy have dual 6&1/2 cones and can dig pretty deep and still sound good. The entry level Klipsch have a decent top end but not the best because of the cheap crossovers and the tweeters but, you know, that can be fixed by someone putting forth a little effort to tweek. Yeah, some of us should have bought reference speakers from the start--but some of us didn't. he has a "decent speaker" but he needs to set his electronics up properly to get the best sound from his speakers and he didn't do that. At least he's not trying to power them from his phone. I power mine with a 80 Watt Denon--running 5 .1 and don't have any under powering issues. I do think it is his settings that are making his speakers sound like chit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktate Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 At 35hz to 24khz and at 450.00 each those are full range. Should be set to large. You say woofers barley moving what is the bass tone control at? Are the binding posts and straps tight ? I think you need to check the AVR settings those speakers should be able to piss off the neighbors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Your entry level speakers are not the same as the entry level Icons. I have never opted to run two way towers as large speakers, but then again I usually operate with a sub. Further, it's not like this is the first time someone has had a complaint like this on these speakers. They pale in comparison to the first and second gen Synergy's and the X and W series Icons. There's no debate to be had there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktate Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I bought my son RB-35s a few years ago hooked to 24watt receiver and I guarantee you they sound every bit as good and loud as my K-Horns. So those you have should be kicking butt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebuy Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, IbizaFlame said: Your entry level speakers are not the same as the entry level Icons. I have never opted to run two way towers as large speakers, but then again I usually operate with a sub. Further, it's not like this is the first time someone has had a complaint like this on these speakers. They pale in comparison to the first and second gen Synergy's and the X and W series Icons. There's no debate to be had there. All I'm saying is it is the operators fault--If you go into the menu and set your speakers to plus 12 and turn em up they're gonna sound bad---these speakers--IMHO are not just plug and play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, rebuy said: All I'm saying is it is the operators fault--If you go into the menu and set your speakers to plus 12 and turn em up they're gonna sound bad Any speaker will. You're darn right about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktate Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 http://assets.klipsch.com/product-specsheets/R-28F-Spec-Sheet.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebuy Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 We're up at 3 AM talking about this guy's speakers while he's probably catching some Z'sssssss in a soft feather bed---What's wrong with us? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 15 minutes ago, rebuy said: We're up at 3 AM talking about this guy's speakers while he's probably catching some Z'sssssss in a soft feather bed---What's wrong with us? I'm working on a dissertation. What's your excuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktate Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I use to work 12 hour shifts 6am to 6pm. So I am use to getting up early. Then got sick had transplant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.tate Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 The only reason I turned the gain up is because they sound like chit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 First thing is the R-28Fs will need some break in when bought new. The woofers will loosen up and the speaker will flatten. Also we don't know positioning. Lastly they should be run for a long period of time as large to break them in and likely left as large forever. Very unlikely you will see the woofers working hard with a crossover at 40hz. This crosswover would start rolling off at around 60hz or so because the 40hz is supposed to be the sum of both the subwoofer and front speakers. Set them large, work with positioning, and let them break in. Lastly, the AVR-589 likely doesn't have much current to push a double woofer system so I would look at a beefier amp down the road. Perhaps adding some bass will help in the mean time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.tate Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 I heard them in Best Buy, and that is the reason I purchased them. I don't know what AVR they were pushing them with, but the satellites I had on the wall got way louder at-15 on the volume scale where as the towers I'm taking them all the way to 0-3 to get close to the same volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 If loud is all you want, just about any speaker would do the trick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 10 hours ago, ricktate said: I bought my son RB-35s a few years ago.. and I guarantee you they sound every bit as good and loud as my K-Horns. Is this for real?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattSER Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I have to disagree with the comments about R28Fs lacking low end bass and overall power. Something is wrong here. They're wired incorrectly or the receiver is set incorrectly. Maybe they're out of phase with each other?? I owned two pairs of R28F and powered them with a cheapo Insignia 100w/ch Bluetooth stereo receiver and cranking loud and hard was pretty much the only thing they were good at! There was plenty of sub bass presence on my fav EDM tracks and the person I sold them to said "oh wow, you really don't need a sub for these, huh?" when he came to demo them. I'm sure there's either something wrong with the wiring or receiver settings or just an unusually long break-in time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I with you Matt. I had the old Icon VF 36's and they were very good speaker with lot bass. I still have the VF 35's. That is how well I like them. Something is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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