Jeff Matthews Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, oldtimer said: Haha, it was never their country. It has always been the country of the rich and powerful which now is primarily corporate. You know that, and have argued that in the past. You know I mean "their country" in a stylistic sense, right? They fear for it. Ask Zen. He does, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Zen Traveler said: That comment was in regard to y'alls discussion and has nothing to do with the documentary. lol. I know. I was goading you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Fear keeps us in line. Ask the democrats and republicans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: 5 minutes ago, oldtimer said: ,American politics are inane, throwing around terms like left and right when the actual practical differences are quite small. To the contrary, to the right people, these differences are astronomical. I agree with Jeff, here. The interesting thing to contemplate is where did all of the folks who labeled themselves as Conservatives go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Zen Traveler said: I agree with Jeff here but the interesting thing to discuss is where did all of the folks who labeled themselves as Conservatives go? They're still there. Voting for Republicans. Did you kind of miss the last election, or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: To the contrary, to the right people, these differences are astronomical. Just think of the defense industry, for example. Big projects are commenced or shot down based on who's in office. Exactly. It's a very narrow crowd, of the haves. Overall, the political differences are quite small. usually they are exaggerated by an opposition to increase profit, not that they re losing money with one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Zen Traveler said: I agree with Jeff here but the interesting thing to discuss is where did all of the folks who labeled themselves as Conservatives go? === been reading this as a spectator. Where did the ones labeled conservative go? Same place, though diametrically opposite, as those labeled liberal — to the farthest end of each spectrum. Leaving zero, none, nada middle ground — Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Exactly. It's a very narrow crowd, of the haves. Overall, the political differences are quite small. usually they are exaggerated by an opposition to increase profit, not that they re losing money with one or the other. They do win and lose based on who's in office. We had a rather large defense contractor about 25 miles away have to close up shop because Uncle Sam ended its contract with them. Even with the big boys, there's plenty of competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Rather large? describe. And was it because who was in office or because the competition had a better product? I haven't heard of a major defense corporation going under for quite awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Furthermore, if it is because of who is in office, isn't that just another nail in the party/corporate corruption coffin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, oldtimer said: Rather large? describe. And was it because who was in office or because the competition had a better product? I haven't heard of a major defense corporation going under for quite awhile. I can't say the whole company was brought down, but here is the one: https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/nuts-and-bolts/2013/10/the-straw-that-broke-baes-back-in-sealy.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, oldtimer said: Furthermore, if it is because of who is in office, isn't that just another nail in the party/corporate corruption coffin? No. A decision has to be made. Somebody's gotta win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Also, back to my quote of "practical differences," how has the practical application of military power suffered? It hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, Jeff Matthews said: No. A decision has to be made. Somebody's gotta win. That doesn't answer the question. A decision has to be made, it doesn't negate the party/corporate corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, oldtimer said: Also, back to my quote of "practical differences," how has the practical application of military power suffered? It hasn't. I totally agree with you on the macro scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Jeff Matthews said: They're still there. Voting for Republicans. Did you kind of miss the last election, or something? Actually I was talking about traditional conservatives. The ones who supported fiscal responsibility. 2 minutes ago, richieb said: === been reading this as a spectator. Where did the ones labeled conservative go? Same place, though diametrically opposite, as those labeled liberal — to the farthest end of each spectrum. Leaving zero, none, nada middle ground — Actually the statistics don't back up this claim. Fwiw, I never labeled myself as a liberal because I don't support all of their causes. I also want fiscal responsibility and have argued to increase taxes and reign in costs....Keep in mind that President Obama and John Boehner signed the Sequester and President Trump through that out the window. That was "middle ground," I wanted to see capitalized on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, oldtimer said: Overall, the political differences are quite small. usually they are exaggerated by an opposition I don't see how you can say this given what is happening with deregulation, climate change and environmental policy and none more so dramatic as what is happening in Foreign Policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: I can't say the whole company was brought down, but here is the one: https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/blog/nuts-and-bolts/2013/10/the-straw-that-broke-baes-back-in-sealy.html Interesting. A brit company loses to a US one. Cry me a river? Not that I would not cry for the jobs lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, Zen Traveler said: I don't see how you can say this given what is happening with deregulation, climate change and environmental policy and none more so dramatic as what is happening in Foreign Policy. Very recent. BOA, as it were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, oldtimer said: Interesting. A brit company loses to a US one. Cry me a river? Not that I would not cry for the jobs lost. It reduces our stature in the world, per Zen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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