Ryklipsch Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 I made up my mind for my new dual subwoofer upgrade and will be ordering them soon unless i find some thing better 2 SuperNova's MKIV-15P.The new Revel B15 look nice to.2 of them would even look nicer hummm. Any thing better I should look at ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin B Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Enquire at http://www.rutledgeaudiodesign.com/ about a couple custom built Adire Audio Tumult based subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted December 29, 2002 Share Posted December 29, 2002 Just got through reading the other thread. You have actually had the RSW-15 in your house? If you buy two Earthquakes, you're going to very disappointed. Two RSW-15's will have much greater output. I read your comments about "bass shooting into the wall" -- but you should know that bass below 80Hz is completely non-directional. It makes no difference. The sub should be placed as designed, per instructions. The Earthquake uses a class D type amp just like the RSW-15. The FTC rating for the RSW-15 is 650 watts, compared to the 550 of the Earthquake. The Earthquake has one driver in a sealed box. The RSW-15 has a passive radiator, which basically acts as a port - raising sensitivity. The Earthquake weighs 69 lbs. The RSW-15 weighs 85 lbs. Ignore the hype and don't waste your money. You have several problems. 1) Your room is big. 2) You own Scalas. 3) Your room is big, and you own Scalas. Your experience regarding the PSB's probably had more to do with some overlap between the sub and the Scalas due to a combination of the tuning of the boxes and the crossover slopes. It was probably doing a better job of exciting room nodes, but you shouldn't make the mistake of thinking this is what accurate, powerful bass sounds like. Your Scalas are extremely sensitive, and I can tell you that ANY single sub, and most mediocre dual sub combinations -- is/are going to start compressing long before those Scalas even get warmed up. There is no argument here -- it's just physics. In your room, with those Scalas, you are going to need four (4) good cube type subs, or a pair of SVS Ultras being pushed by a 1000 class AB watts. Incidently, you can buy two SVS Ultras with the Samson pro 1000 for almost 1/2 the money of those two Earthquakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryklipsch Posted December 29, 2002 Author Share Posted December 29, 2002 Thanks dean for your info,I may be wasting my coin going this route.According to many posts i have read concerning svs being so good i may go with them,I think may be i listen to ear to much about all his great subs,I think i will email svs and see what they offer best to go with lascalas,I am looking for a hard hitting reliable sub that i will feel when i am sitting on the other side of my room when i watch movies,But the sub must also play along with tunes.Dual psb's will do this but still not with a tight hard hitting thump in the gut,I know there out there but where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Ry : Have you investigated Servodrive yet ? The contrabass is a professional belt driven subwoofer system with two active belt driven 15" subwoofers , acoustically coupled to two 18" passive radiators. Expensive, yes. Ouput ? Definately will move lots of air ! Sizing isn't too bad according to pictures. Try www.servodrive.com for more info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 The Servodrive stuff is definitely killer, and if you can afford it -- the Contrabass or Basstech 7's would be incredible. Prices are not listed on the site, so we are probably talking some serious money here. Tom V of SVS developed the SVS subs initially to drive his Klipsch KLF based HT. I'm quite sure dual Ultra's will more than suffice for the Scalas. $2100 for the pair with the amp, and you will need an outboard crossover if you are not using an HT receiver with internal electonic crossover. The perfect crossover is the HSU research crossover. I'm getting ready to put mine up for sale at $300 if you are interested. It's all Class A, discrete. I currently have the 50Hz chip in mine -- which would be perfect for the Scala. So, $2500 and you're done with this sub business. Trust me -- SVS is the bomb. http://store.yahoo.com/hsusubs/highendcrossover.html http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_csultra.htmhttp://www.svsubwoofers.com/'> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 DeanG has got it right... Klipsch is famous for its "live" natural sound... and SVS Ultras fit right in that niche. Velo HGS 18 is a servo based sub that packs a punch... but most of the pro-style servo's are better suited to the stage than the living room... and that's something I learned the hard way. But, then again, lots of folks like to distort sound to their taste... and that fits a whole lot of audiophiles and their high end speakers... even in Athens (sorry about that maxg... one of those great "g" Forum folks but with backsliding notions in Greece). -HornEd PS: For all his gusto, bravado, and concern for burglers... TheEAR(s) has contributed great insights into many different subwoofers... and that kind of advice doesn't come from a pantywaist. I don't care how many speakers of what kind he may have crammed in shoebox room... beyond all the fol-der-ol, this Forum is a lot better because TheEAR(s) can type. However, I do think he would have fewer typos if he used his fingers... Hmmm, maybe I should try my ears? =HornEd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xj220 Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Tom Vodhanel said Dual CS-Ultras w/TV-12 driver would be able to outperform the Krell Master Reference. I have a CS-Ultra, and it rocks the house. I like mine better than the $3500 Aerial SW12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 Good luck in your attempt Ry.You will need an army of powerful subs to even match the air moving prowess of all my subs. LOL Just get a few fans you'll move more air and not ruin your bank account. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btrigg Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 "Tom Vodhanel said Dual CS-Ultras w/TV-12 driver would be able to outperform the Krell Master Reference." Right.... I'll believe that when i see it. Same room, same position, don't believe it, do the math, bigger drivers in the krell, more power, better power, larger excursion, we will ignore the price comparison for now, as well as the size and quality advantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin B Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Krell, smaller enclosure and sealed. Ultra's larger enclosure and ported. Even Krell can't get around Hoffman's Iron law. Below 30hz I have no doubt that a pair of Ultra's could outgun a MRS. Abover 30hz I'm not so sure. Sound quality, well that would be up to the individual's ears as to whether the MRS is better, but I'm also quite confident few would have the expendable cash to feel comfortable saying it's $18,000 better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdsang Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 Whats the driver size on the Krell Master Reference Sub. If its a 15, 2 12 inch drivers could move more air. If its an 18 inch, I could see the Krell moveing more air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin B Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 It's a pair of 15" drivers. But a pair of 15" drivers in a 100L enclosure will require some serious EQ to get decent response in the last octave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryklipsch Posted January 3, 2003 Author Share Posted January 3, 2003 Ear what bank account?? LOL,I have a unlimited Visa,Ear money is not a concern to me,Just good equipment.EAR hold your breath I even have air in my new 4500sq house that i just bought.No need for fans,May be u like to try all your subs in my new 40 x32 recroom.I am seriously looking at two contra bass for the corners.And if thats not enough maybe i will fill the other two corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodj101 Posted January 3, 2003 Share Posted January 3, 2003 I'd put my money on SVS for under 30 hz. as far as accuracy, I'd place it on the krell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryklipsch Posted January 3, 2003 Author Share Posted January 3, 2003 EAR i thought i just let you see just one of my other toy's.This is my cobra that i drive on sunny days and take to shows,This baby has been as far as north carolina for shows,It has no problem getting pulled on my uncles stock car trailer with my new chevy truck,LOL,But the cobra is not for sale Sorry. EAR i have no money remember !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryklipsch Posted January 3, 2003 Author Share Posted January 3, 2003 Ear maybe you like to buy some of my extra steel emblems for your car,May be it will go faster,Ear i do'nt know but if you like to cut me up thats fine,but i can maybe show you that there is always some one better.Oh Ear don't forget i have no money !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proudestmonkey Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 best sub ever, hands down M&K MX5000, if you owned a svs, it would become a new plant holder, or maybe some type of smoking device when you brought the MX5000 home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 ---------------- On 1/3/2003 11:01:59 PM Ry wrote: i can maybe show you that there is always some one better.Oh Ear don't forget i have no money !! ---------------- This proves it, MONEY now equals class. The more MONEY you have means not only can you buy more stuff, it means you are BETTER. Peace, Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted January 4, 2003 Share Posted January 4, 2003 Ry, Oh dear I am so impressed. You have a car! WOW You have money! Well flash news I dont sleep under a bridge LOL This year I will add two large subs,another power amp(probably the six channel monster CinePro)and a Pioneer Elite plasma.And maybe just maybe sell my Spendor FL10's and upgrade to PMC studio monitors.I will sell the Spendors because I have no more room for more speakers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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