TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just got some beautiful 2.2's for a nice price... installed them but they sound a little dull/dark, currently cranking the treble on my amp to get them more balanced sounding...wondering what could be the culprit (sounds similar on all sound sources: turntable, cassette, digital in) running an Onkyo TX-2500, perhaps its just this matchup? coloring them a little darker? wondering, is the internal cutoff a hard cutoff? i worried the tweeters were not functional, but using a synthesizer i took a sine wave all the way up past 12k, and could def hear it past 2200hz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 14 hours ago, TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION said: Just got some beautiful 2.2's for a nice price... installed them but they sound a little dull/dark, currently cranking the treble on my amp to get them more balanced sounding...wondering what could be the culprit (sounds similar on all sound sources: turntable, cassette, digital in) running an Onkyo TX-2500, perhaps its just this matchup? coloring them a little darker? wondering, is the internal cutoff a hard cutoff? i worried the tweeters were not functional, but using a synthesizer i took a sine wave all the way up past 12k, and could def hear it past 2200hz @TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Do you have an FM or other source like cd, steaming to compare? Thanks and Welcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION Posted December 10, 2023 Author Share Posted December 10, 2023 Yes! compared with cassette deck, FM tuner, and direct in from the computer....sounds similar on all sources....not bad, just a bit dark and muffled... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 minute ago, TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION said: Yes! compared with cassette deck, FM tuner, and direct in from the computer....sounds similar on all sources....not bad, just a bit dark and muffled... Have you used your amp lately, any static in the controls, especially treble? Would verify both dome tweeters are working, which think you have done. Would say the caps in crossovers need refreshing yet, not certain that will do it. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION Posted December 10, 2023 Author Share Posted December 10, 2023 Yeah amp has been used continuously, no problems...do the woofers cutoff hard at 2200? or do they still try to represent higher frequencies? might try this: https://critesspeakers.com/products/type-kg2-2-crossover-rebuild-kit-free-us-shipping has anyone had good luck with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Steer away from Aftermarkets , always insist on klipsch original parts for your klipsch speakers. contact JEM , they may be able to build a klipsch kit for you https://jemperformanceaudio.com/capacitor-kits 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION said: Yeah amp has been used continuously, no problems...do the woofers cutoff hard at 2200? or do they still try to represent higher frequencies? might try this: https://critesspeakers.com/products/type-kg2-2-crossover-rebuild-kit-free-us-shipping has anyone had good luck with it? Thinking that the top woofer shares some higher duty frequency. BTW, ported speakers so not against the wall so they can breathe helps alot.: https://www.hifi-review.com/153496-klipsch-kg2-2.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 You want to use high quality film and foil capacitors. Metalized film capacitors can sound harsh/gritty with that tweeter. A darker or recessed/distant sound is a common description of caps that are old and have gone off-spec somehow (probably ESR). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION Posted December 10, 2023 Author Share Posted December 10, 2023 this is all super helpful! old caps sounds the most likely...ebay score from non audiophile source.... will investigate and report back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 2 hours ago, billybob said: Thinking that the top woofer shares some higher duty frequency. BTW, ported speakers so not against the wall so they can breathe helps alot.: https://www.hifi-review.com/153496-klipsch-kg2-2.html There is nothing in the crossover schematic that indicates that would be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 19 minutes ago, Invidiosulus said: There is nothing in the crossover schematic that indicates that would be the case. Cool... thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION said: this is all super helpful! old caps sounds the most likely...ebay score from non audiophile source.... will investigate and report back! Position of speakers from wall to help the speaker , bass breathe big importance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyErnie Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 90% chance the sour tone is from the Bipolar electrolytic caps in the crossover. Change them in one speaker and give it a listen, I bet it makes you happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter P. Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I own a pair of 2.2s and they sound just as Two Point Two Dimension described. Mine sound fine to me and I never suspected aging capacitors. I'll be interested to hear TPTD's impressions after he changes the capacitors, but I think it's normal. As a point of reference, I recently rebuilt a pair of Avid 100s; bookshelf speakers with an 8" woofer and 1.5" phenolic ring tweeter. I replaced the tweeters with exact replacements because one had a puncture. I had a similar impression as with the kg 2.2s; while the crossover point is 2.5kHz, they don't seem to carry much information. Could be my hearing. Could be the single capacitor in the high pass filter. They still sound fine to me. Edit: Here's what I just did- I turned the bass control to full minimum, and turned the treble control to full maximum. Then I used the tube test to confirm the tweeter was producing sound. Yup; they work. I'm guessing there really isn't much musical information in the upper registers. And I just thought of another idea; TPTD should replace the capacitor in JUST ONE speaker, play some music in mono, and see if there's a discernible difference between the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 15 hours ago, Peter P. said: I own a pair of 2.2s and they sound just as Two Point Two Dimension described. Mine sound fine to me and I never suspected aging capacitors. I'll be interested to hear TPTD's impressions after he changes the capacitors, but I think it's normal. As a point of reference, I recently rebuilt a pair of Avid 100s; bookshelf speakers with an 8" woofer and 1.5" phenolic ring tweeter. I replaced the tweeters with exact replacements because one had a puncture. I had a similar impression as with the kg 2.2s; while the crossover point is 2.5kHz, they don't seem to carry much information. Could be my hearing. Could be the single capacitor in the high pass filter. They still sound fine to me. Edit: Here's what I just did- I turned the bass control to full minimum, and turned the treble control to full maximum. Then I used the tube test to confirm the tweeter was producing sound. Yup; they work. I'm guessing there really isn't much musical information in the upper registers. And I just thought of another idea; TPTD should replace the capacitor in JUST ONE speaker, play some music in mono, and see if there's a discernible difference between the two. There are two caps in the high pass filter and two caps in the low pass filter. If any of them are out of spec it could potentially shift the crossover points and adversely affect the sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Just for laughs, would check the connections going to the speakers while inside first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Received this last bit of advice too late! i bought the Crites rebuild kit, and just installed the new caps (took me this long to get around to it)....only to finally discover that the real problem is the tweeters aren't working at all... is there an obvious component failure that can cause this? i didnt have time to go thru everything, and didnt see anything obvious...seems strange that this would have happened in both speakers, correct? all advice welcome! i'll be glad that at least once i get them working i'll have these lovely new crossovers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natertots Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) On 2/11/2024 at 7:13 PM, TWO POINT TWO DIMENSION said: is there an obvious component failure that can cause this? i didnt have time to go thru everything, and didnt see anything obvious...seems strange that this would have happened in both speakers, correct? My technical knowledge isn't sufficient enough to explain why it could happen but it is possible to fry speaker drivers. I do not know how sensitive the tweeters are on the 2.2s but it is possible that a previous owner did something, like playing them too loud, that killed both tweeters. Diagnosing if you have bad tweeters can easily be checked with a multimeter once you have disconnected them from the crossover network. Edited February 16 by Natertots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 New speakers might be easier than playing Mr. Fix it, 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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