Oldewizard Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Was wondering if there is any benefit to raising Cornwalls off the floor? While we are here, anyone tried new/upgraded component crossovers? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Chi-town Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 The speakers are designed to be grounded to the floor. There is zero benefit to raising them. In fact, detrimental to sound quality. Why would you want to molest the crossovers on a Cornwall IV? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldewizard Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 Numerous folks have expressed large benefits from upgrading capacitors for example. Was trying to get some real world info about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I know one thing unlike most Klipsch heritage speakers Cornwall's could care less about back walls or corners. In fact in some ways the further out of the corner or back wall the better they sound. Back I believe what may have been the first Klipsch Fest Trey Cannon delivered a set of original Cornwall's for us to use at the wild party we had that night at the less then glamorous hotel we all stayed at. I sponsored a semi large meeting room and we played until the wee hours until the beer and our energy was gone. By the end of the night, we were down to a few of us, at that point we had moved the speakers at least a dozen feet off the back wall and about a dozen feet apart we sat maybe 10 feet back from the speakers.... turned the light off so it was pitch dark, cranked it up the speakers sonically disappeared. Was it really shocking or were we just drunk and tired I think it was real! I really do not think a Lascala or other none ported speaker could accomplish this without seeming lean in the lower frequencies. I say put them up on some milk crates or something and give it a whirl! I'd think you'd need some ceiling height beyond the normal 8' for it to work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, Oldewizard said: Numerous folks have expressed large benefits from upgrading capacitors for example. Was trying to get some real world info about that. My real-world experience with that is if you change the capacitor type by much which with brand new network you would have to make some serious changes to net yourself any difference, you'll also change the balance of the speaker in one direction or the other. Klipsch is pretty damn good at getting the best out of the components they use. Changing part types or "upgrading" blindly is a recipe for disaster. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 13 minutes ago, NOSValves said: By the end of the night, we were down to a few of us, at that point we had moved the speakers at least a dozen feet off the back wall and about a dozen feet apart we sat maybe 10 feet back from the speakers.... turned the light off so it was pitch dark, cranked it up the speakers sonically disappeared. Was it really shocking or were we just drunk and tired I think it was real I remember Trey shouting, “You should see how bad the group delay is on those things.” ”Good sir, we do not give two &!$@!” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 minutes ago, Deang said: I remember Trey shouting, “You should see how bad the group delay is on those things.” ”Good sir, we do not give two &!$@!” LOL yep good times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 PWK 's cardinal rule no 5 states that a speaker should be free of cavities , there is 0 benefit by raising the CW IV - as far as upgrading the crossovers , the end result is anyone's guess while the original design is optimal , one precaution here, modifying original parts can void the warranty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldewizard Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 Thanks guys. I was just getting antsy about fooling around with sound. There are plenty of other changes I can make without tearing apart my speakers haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Did you buy them new or used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldewizard Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 I bought them new a year ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Yeah, I'd personally hold off more years before messing with the crossovers. I can't see Klipsch not doing a great job on those where they need to be altered. Now, if they were older CW's, that would be another story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWOReilly Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I’d maybe tilt them back with some wedges at the front. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, CWOReilly said: I’d maybe tilt them back with some wedges at the front. Yeah, I meant to mention that, too. It helps with my CF-3's but those have way lower HF locations. Definitely a free tinker tactic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldewizard Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Hmm never thought about that....what does titling them do for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWOReilly Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 4 hours ago, Oldewizard said: Hmm never thought about that....what does titling them do for you? Just more directional control. Do you already have them toed in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KT88 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 21 hours ago, Oldewizard said: Was wondering if there is any benefit to raising Cornwalls off the floor? While we are here, anyone tried new/upgraded component crossovers? Thanks Seriously, and regardless of the spirit of experimentation that many share with you, what exactly are you dissatisfied with, given the way your CW4 sounds unchanged at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Seriously... they are your Speakers, do what you want. Just don't expect anyone else to admire or agree with what you've done. :/thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldewizard Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Im not looking for validation. However, as you may have noticed for better or for worse there are some very smart folks on the interwebs with outstanding ideas. Asking questions isnt wrong. You took the time to comment on a thread giving no constructive input. /shrug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananas and Blow Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I prefer my Forte IV ever so slightly tilted up in the front. I think it raises the overall height of the soundstage and I really like a massive soundstage. Raising them off the ground is likely to ruin the bass tuning. But tilting them up helps. I just put a sock under the front of my Fortes. They are on carpet. As others have said, just move them around. Horn speakers can sound so different depending on where you put/aim them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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