prodj101 Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 ok, so I decided to make a little outing down town today and check out the hifi store and brought along the pomps and pipes cd. the guys today were boasting about a velodyne (SPL1200) and a B&W CM-10 or something like that. anyway, I have them throw in P and P, and go to track 4, and it actually put a dent in the B&W's aluminum cone and bottomed out the velodyne. and when I say dent, I mean literally a dent, like a shallow, but visible mark about an inch long. and all before this happend, the sales clerk had been claiming these subs would probably sound alot better than my RSW-15. BOF! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easylistener Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 Were did you get this cd and what is the name agian I want to buy it and test my svs sub with it. It sounds like some real powerful stuff. It doesn't make the subs look good when they dent them selfs does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj993 Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 prodj,prodj,prodj... do you just enjoy going out and wreaking havoc? lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 Pomps and Pipes, I got it at Amazon.com, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000159M/qid=1046556905/sr=1-6/ref=sr_1_6/103-5181442-4502263?v=glance&s=classical http://referencerecordings.com/index.htm POMP & PIPES! "The Absolute Sound Super Disc List" A sonic spectacular featuring the giant Fisk pipe organ in the Meyerson Symphony Center. A heart-stopping sonic experience in powerful HDCD sound! "...The finest wind ensemble collection I've heard in years...The demonstration-class sound...has to be heard to be believed...A no-brainer on my Want List." --Fanfare RR-58 HDCD $16.98 (Listen Using Real Audio) 1. Praise The Lord With Drums And Cymbols 2. Allelujah! Laudamus Te 3. Grand Chorus In Dialogue 4. The Vikings 5. The Power Of Rome And The Christian Heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodj101 Posted March 1, 2003 Author Share Posted March 1, 2003 yep, just goes to show that a 10 inch can't do the job of a 15. lol, the look on his face was so good though. he just pretended to not notice the horribly loud crunching sound and the dent in the driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 LOL I told you all Pomp & Pipes track four is a subwoofer killer.Now try and explain this to Boze and Sony WM40 owners. BTW even the smallest Sunfire passes with flying colors.No dents and pops My Aerial SW12 loves Pomp & Pipes. Good story Prodj,poor poor salesman.Wait until his boss discovers he damaged the sub and did not sell anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 HA HA!!! My JBL is immune to Pomp and Pipes, it has a 30 Hz. hi-pass on it (pray with me EAR, it is horrible not having any bass below 30 Hz. ) so it can't blow up. I still have to get that CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodj101 Posted March 1, 2003 Author Share Posted March 1, 2003 yeah, the sunfire is the only thing that comes to mind in the 10 inch range that can do that super low stuff. the B&W just looked like it was about to die......than it did. the velodyne I was really suprised that it would start bottoming out, since it wasn't THAT loud. but than again, p and p is a really rough CD. lol, and to think, this one guy said that you never need a sub in your system if you have good speakers. I'd like to see a pair of full range speakers that can play p and p well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodj101 Posted March 1, 2003 Author Share Posted March 1, 2003 by the way ears, u think adding a second RSW-15 would give pomps and pipes a fair amount more justice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Prodj, No,a second or third RSW15 will provide more punch where it shines.Pomp & Pipes demands linear response down to 16Hz.The RSW15 output drops like a stone below 30Hz,at 25Hz its weak and at 20 its near to non existance. A Sunfire Signature starts to do justice to P & P,and if you want to hear(feel)all the P & P goodness you must get a sub like the Velodyne HGS18,Revel B15,SVS Ultra,HSU TN1220,Aerial SW12. Even large JBL subs are far from ideal,as they are weak around 20Hz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Prodj,you probably know as well as any of us the rsw15 can't do justice to pipes.That being said, I'm jammin REO speedwagon live DVD-A and the 15 is fantastic.I have quite a variety of dvd-a and the 15 never fails to impress me or anyone I know.For rock and most all music this sub kicks unlike several I auditioned could not.Enjoy that 15,the big velo hgs18 was the only thing I liked better because it does HT/and Music both very well,kinda expensive.I settled on the most musical sub at my price(much less than msrp),and feel every note as I type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easylistener Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 How will my 20-39 pci fair with this? Am I going to hurt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodj101 Posted March 2, 2003 Author Share Posted March 2, 2003 hmm, couldn't tell you. I haven't heard much about that sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckears Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 prodj, ...Glad to hear mention of the Hsu 1220... it doesn't get a lot of attention on the BB's.. You're right... it does Pomp & Pipes without breaking a sweat. And I can sure find some loose wallhangings with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodj101 Posted March 2, 2003 Author Share Posted March 2, 2003 *ears* mentions the HSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonman Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 AIEEE! Does that mean he is now a HSU salesman?! He better get his stuff together and catch up with James "Peewee" Pheele. I fear Peewee already has a big lead in terms of sales volume! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckears Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 Oops.... my mistake! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt1stcav Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 ---------------- On 3/2/2003 8:36:51 PM easylistener wrote: How will my 20-39 pci fair with this? Am I going to hurt it? ---------------- As long as you're not cranking up your volume to 120dB+ levels all day long, your SVS will do fine! I have over 450 pipe organ CDs and about 200 organ LPs to my collection (but I don't own "P & P" yet). When I had a tube preamp, I had a home-made 15" Dayton DVC Series sub inside a 3 cubic foot sealed enclosure powered by an SAE A205 200WPC amp/AudioControl Richter Scale Series III active crossover. With this subwoofer (rated at 20Hz) playing along with my Cornwalls (at full range, no cutoff), I never experienced any gross distortion/bottoming out to any of my drivers, and I like my gains at near-live levels (and large pipe organs can be very loud, especially at full organ with several 32' pedal stops drawn in the bass). You have 16Hz fundamentals at the lowest C on the pedalboard, and with the lowest octave in the bass playing at 100dB, the only thing I ever noticed was my room window vibrating like mad! I think that sales clerk had something hooked up wrong in his showroom, or he had too much power connected to the B&Ws and/or turned the volume up way too much. Something was screwed up/misadjusted/set up wrong to have a Velodyne bottom out, and for a dent to form on a B&W driver cone, IMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen328 Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 Good god trevor. Stupid salesmen. I got to cash your check your check. Probably tommorow. Talk later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robB Posted March 3, 2003 Share Posted March 3, 2003 wow, wonder how impressed his sales manager is with him?! HA! Gee would like to try this test on my KTP 484 subs... IM my case,.i worry more about structural dammage to the house....lol cause so far..i havn't been able to tax the 484's with anything i throw at them. Don't sound stores just luv customers like us! "I am a Canadian too" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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