yaffstone Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I just got my B&O beogram 1700 hooked back up after about 10 years on a side shelf. My records sound amazing and now I'm wondering other than convenience, why I switched to CD. There's even something fun about the 15 minute ritual. What are your thoughts about audio quality of CD versus vinyl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Talking about a can of worms! This has been arugued time and again. Many, like me, prefer vinyl. Others disagree. Do some searches on the forum such as "analog vs digital" (or something similiar) and you'll find many opinions! One thing us vinyl fanatics agree on is that a good cleaning system is a neccessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I doubt anyone here has an opinion on this subject. hehehee I need both since I own alot of cds and not everything is released on lp. As far as quality goes I'm not sure I like the way my turntable sounds better than my cd player but this is not a fair comparison as my cd player is not very good and my turntable is a higher quality piece of equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai2000 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 A can of worms, indeed! I am glad that I enjoy both, but it took quite some time, experimenting, listening experience and financial outlay to get there....and I suppose the journey will never end . Wolfram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyKubicki Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I have a 4002 that I just got back into service about a year ago. Do your own A/B testing and I think you'll find that it depends on the recording. The earlier CDs were mastered too bright, while some were done quite well. Some comparisons I found: Listening to Emerson Lake and Palmer on CD is hopeless. On vinyl, it's beuatiful...smooth as silk. Gentle Giant is just about the same on vinyl as digital, so CD wins there due to lack of surface noise. Stravinsky's Firebird produces similar results. But a lot of Direct to Disk records sound great. Overall: CDs downfall is lack of resolution (not so with SACD and DVDa) CDs provide superior dynamic range and there is no surface noise. Record suffer from surface noise and a loss of high frequency response as you get to the inner part of the groove. But the resolution is analog and superior to Red Book CD. The above are just IMHO. Flame me as you wish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I lean toward both and let the music (recording) determine which I like best. There is something warm and cozy about old vinyl, however. Just seems more personal and if you like jazz, (especially bop & hard bop) the older deep grooves are "Somethin' Else". garymd is right on about a quality cleaning device. Several of us use the "Discwasher System" and although it's more work, it's also less that $50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 My Beogram 1900 turntable is my favorite source and has been in continuous service since 1975 without a hitch. For long term satisfaction, save URLs for places on the web that supports your old B&O like this: http://www.lpgear.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=LG&Category_Code=BO Also , keep an eye out on ebay for a replacement integrated cartride. ======== Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnm Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I listen primarily to vinyl even when I have both versions available because most often the vinyl version sounds much much better than the CD reissue. On the other hand on rare occasions I listen to a CD that sounds incredibly good. My take is that CD is capable of equalling vinyl if the recording/remastering is done expertly. That said excluding examples at both extremes of the quality scale vinyl on average is superior to CD. This leads to the question ..... How would an album recorded using the very best of currently available digital technology for CD sound when compared to the same album recorded using the very best of currently available analog technology ?? Both would be damned good but which would be the best ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogman Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 ---------------- On 1/30/2005 5:11:36 PM yaffstone wrote: I just got my B&O beogram 1700 hooked back up after about 10 years on a side shelf. My records sound amazing and now I'm wondering other than convenience, why I switched to CD. There's even something fun about the 15 minute ritual. What are your thoughts about audio quality of CD versus vinyl? ---------------- ...and you guys call ME the Troll!?! Analogman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 There are liabilities on both sides. New vinyl LPs are amazing. Old ones that werwe the 500,000 th pressed really were poor from the first play. My best old records are classical. BLue Note, Mapleshades, and Naxos make great CDs; there are others. Sony CDs I find to be disappointing. I look at who masters them;Joe Gastwirt of Ocean View DIgital usually makes a CD that my system reproduces to be quite musical. Anal retentive artists who understand the technology like Neil Young make sure the CDs are worth your hard earned cash. CD liabilities: -16 bit "word" -44 khz sampling -DDD discs -feeble mastering -pop music producers -compressed music (Santanas last 2 CDs are pitiful) -jitter -single bit DACs -playing CDs on a mass market low value DVD player LP liabilities: -scratches -dirt -brushes that cram dirt into grooves (Discwasher helped promote CD allot) -warpage -wow -platter speed variation -TT system alignment in many aspects A used $ 100 TT with a properly aligned $ 100 new cart will be way more musical than a new $ 400 CD player. A seriously opinionated but intensively researched post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 i recently rediscovered vinyl myself, i have been buy crazy with album collections to the point of 1500 albums now, i had approx 300 cd's before i started vinyl again and i will say except for a very few cd's i have i listen to vinyl more, on my klipsch corns and heresy's the vinyl just sounds better hands down, i use a fairly high quality cd player(IMO) and with my current setup i like the vinyl better, not to mention you can get a ton of the older music at a huge saveings over the cost of cd's, a guy in jersey just had 900 albums up for sale 399.00, try to find that with cd's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillH2121 Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 I have approx 130 jazz albums that I purchased in the 1970s when I was playing a lot of jazz as a musician. I love the sound of vinyl on my old Dual 510 TT. Its warm and intimate, even if there is an occasional pop! It would cost a lot to replace all my vinyl and I guess I like the "ritual" of playing an LP. Plus, it brings back a lot of memories to put some Miles or Trane on the turntable and listen and marvel at the innovation and spark these people brought to music! Long live vinyl!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogman Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 ---------------- On 1/30/2005 5:11:36 PM yaffstone wrote: I just got my B&O beogram 1700 hooked back up after about 10 years on a side shelf. My records sound amazing and now I'm wondering other than convenience, why I switched to CD. There's even something fun about the 15 minute ritual. What are your thoughts about audio quality of CD versus vinyl? ---------------- LP=Making Love CeeDee=Aural Pornography Crap=Crap Yours truly, Analogman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogman Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 ---------------- On 1/30/2005 5:11:36 PM yaffstone wrote: I just got my B&O beogram 1700 hooked back up after about 10 years on a side shelf. My records sound amazing and now I'm wondering other than convenience, why I switched to CD. There's even something fun about the 15 minute ritual. What are your thoughts about audio quality of CD versus vinyl? ---------------- You should take a look at the thread "2/3 of my CDs sound like crap" here in 2-Channel. Regards, Analogman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogman Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 This may be helpful, if you are so inclined: http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/LPsvsCDsDynamics.php Analogman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 CeeDee=Aural Pornography Crap=Crap Yours truly, Analogman ++++++++++++++++ Old rap from a single minded contributor. Many of us including all the Klipsch engineers I have spoken to find a place for CD in their musical enjoyment. A Man; Trying to alienate newbies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaffstone Posted January 30, 2005 Author Share Posted January 30, 2005 I may act as an alien at times but I won't alienate! I was really surprised that the old records sound so good. I will continue to listen to CDs too even though they jitter at times just as records can pop. There does seem to be a smoothness to the vinyl though. If it's music, it's fun. Listen on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogman Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 ---------------- On 1/30/2005 8:58:08 PM Audio Flynn wrote: CeeDee=Aural Pornography Crap=Crap Yours truly, Analogman ++++++++++++++++ Old rap from a single minded contributor. Many of us including all the Klipsch engineers I have spoken to find a place for CD in their musical enjoyment. A Man; Trying to alienate newbies? ---------------- NO, not at all Once again, READ his original post. Yaffstone INVITED "opinions". Also take a look at my post just above. Are you trying to get something started? I think the original poster is capable of deciding for himself. By the way, CONGRATULATIONS YAFFSTONE for your rediscovered Turn Table and all the joy it will surely bring! Regards, Analogman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Certain CDs/SACDs (newer ones in particular) are just better recordings then the original LPs. The Who's "Who's Next" for example is horrible on lp but the new "best of" Who CD is a very good recording and has many of those songs on it. Same with the new Elton John SACDs. They're just better then the old vinyl, even on a great TT. It's nice to be able to enjoy both but if I had to pick one, it would be no contest. Vinyl, hands down. Luckily I don't have to pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 As I've said here many times: I would rather listen to Lee Morgan on a $29 Chinese CD boom box than Patricia Barber on a $250,000 hi fi. You listen to what you love and if that is primarily new stuff, then you'd be CRAZY to invest in a decent vinyl rig. BUT, if like me you listen to 1950'S-70'S recordings much of the time, then you'd be crazy NOT to invest in a decent vinyl rig. Right now I gotta go turn over a record--actully a 1980's record! Sonny Stitt with Art Pepper: Atlas Blues, Blow and Ballade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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