jfcarbel Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 Looks like all 3 of these speakers will work with both the Heritage and Legend series, so I think it would be a good point to determine which center is best. Just curious, if anyone has experienced all 3 whcih one turned out the best performance. I am demoing a pair of KLF-20s and have an Academy and am going to see if the will loan me a RC-7 as well. Maybe I'll just bring my Academy to the store tonight when I go and try them all with the same material. If I do I'll be sure to post the results here. HELP- Can someone tell me what movuie scenes are good to test the center channel? I've been told that panning is good to test timbre-matching and someone suggested the X-men scene with Senator Kelly talking to the senate. I would love more suggestions to make my testing more thorough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 If you are auditioning KLF-20's and end up with them you will be best off selling the Academy and buying a KLF-C7. I have had both centers, and liked the KLF-C7 very much. I have Choruses for fronts however, so I found the Academy a better match. I have no idea about the RC-7 (but I would like to after hearing the RF-7's the other day). As far as DVD test material...Gone in 60 seconds (Scene while stealing the GT500) is excellent....Matrix death and mayhem scene when they go to save Morpheus (Ch. 39 I think..listen for the elevator door to fly by your head.) Speed ------------------ Klipsch Chorus I Mains Klipsch Academy Center Klipsch Heresy I Surrounds Mitsubishi WS-55807 55" HDTV Playstation 2 for games/DVD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myram Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 There really is no best speaker out of the 3, it all depends on what your front speakers are. If you have any of the KLF series front speakers....then you should have the KLF-C7. If you have the Cornwall II, Chorus II, Forte II, or Quartet.....then you should have the Academy. And the same goes if you have the Reference speakers......go for the RC-7. When you look up a speaker on the Klipsch website it will tell you what speakers are made to go with it.....that should be your guide. Good Luck Steve ------------------ Home Theater System: Klipsch Quartets - fronts Klipsch Academy - center Klipsch KG.5's - rear surrounds Klipsch KSW12 subwoofer Denon AVR-4800 Denon POA-5200 THX Amp (soon to be added) Sony C-67ES CD Player JVC 36D201 36" TV JVC HR-S3600 SVHS Player JVC XV-M565BK DVD Player Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2100 Digital Cable box Playstation 2 Monster Power HTS-2000 MIT Speaker Cable RS HT Gold Interconnects Monster S-Video and Component Cables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOOMIS914 Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 Jfcarbel- I would not get too hung up on the specs for these 3 speakers. They are all excellent. Each has been designed to seamlessly go with the line it anchors down.....Heritage=Academy, Legends=C7 and Reference=RC series. For example, if HT is your concern I would be more focused on getting a GOOD sub that will allow you to run your mains, center and surrounds as SMALL (Cutoff at 70-120HZ depending on your receivers Bass Management settings.....but this is another topic completely. Anyhow I would use the center that was designed for the system at the time as I wrote above for the best match. What if the Ref. Center was a much better speaker and then drew attention to itself because it had a diferent tonal quality or unique sound??? Would you want that different sound going from left to right during panning in movies like Gone in 60 Seconds?? Not me....I would want the Klipsch expertise to provide the best match as designed by the Engineers. Also, it is much easier to sell speakers when you have the complete (or portion of) the complete set. Ask any Heritage owner. Good luck...I sent you a E-Mail on this subject also. ------------------ My system(s): KLF-30's Bi-wired KLF-C7 (2) KSP-S6's KSW-15 Front Sub KSW-100 Rear Sub Chorus II's Monster cable 14 gauge in-wall cable Audioquest interconnects Niles SPS-4 speaker switch box Niles wall plates Niles in-wall volume controls Marantz SR-8000 Toshiba SD-4205 5 DVD changer Pioneer PDF-1007 301-CD changer Mitsubishi 35" TV Mitsubishi VCR Pioneer VSX-608 Multi-room amp for Outdoor deck Polk All-weather AW2's deck speakers Panamax DBS-8 Surge Protector Klipsch IC-525's in Master Bath 13" Sony Wega in Master Bath 1 Lava Lamp for Ambience Fridge full of beer and plenty of Don Julio, Jagermeister and Jim Beam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfcarbel Posted August 20, 2001 Author Share Posted August 20, 2001 I'm fine with the KLF-C7 if it can keep up with the KLF-20s bass. BLOOMIS914 you suggest using a cutoff of 70 by setting the center to small. But I have heard that the you want to keep as much of the bass to your front speakers as you can, since they can more distinctly and quickly move the bass sound. I am not vert familiar with bass management, but will have to when I get the SVS sub. But if I use an LFE cutoff at 70Hz then I lose alot of bass on my KLF-20s. Are there any movies that use panning of bass below 70-45Hz across the front? What about racing movies, or is that mostly midrange or above 70Hz? Some have said in this forum that the RC-7 and the RS-7 blend perfectly with the KLF-20s. They even mentioned testing this with panning scenes. So unless that person was not listening right, the RC-7 would be much better due to the lower bass. Can any Administrators answer whether the RC-7/RS-7 was designed with matching the KLF timbre or at least tested and verified as a good match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfcarbel Posted August 20, 2001 Author Share Posted August 20, 2001 BTW - My Academy is already sold. Sorry guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 jfc,you should have got enough for the Academy to pay for the 20's and the C-7.Hope you knew that. Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myram Posted August 20, 2001 Share Posted August 20, 2001 Recent Academy prices on eBay - $510 $275 $550 $610 Just crazy prices for a $400 speaker when it was brand new. ------------------ Home Theater System: Klipsch Quartets - fronts Klipsch Academy - center Klipsch KG.5's - rear surrounds Klipsch KSW12 subwoofer Denon AVR-4800 Denon POA-5200 THX Amp (soon to be added) Sony C-67ES CD Player JVC 36D201 36" TV JVC HR-S3600 SVHS Player JVC XV-M565BK DVD Player Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2100 Digital Cable box Playstation 2 Monster Power HTS-2000 MIT Speaker Cable RS HT Gold Interconnects Monster S-Video and Component Cables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfcarbel Posted August 21, 2001 Author Share Posted August 21, 2001 Yep, mine is that $610 priced one. I know, I said "Holy Shnikes" when I saw that price. I mean $200 more than I paid for the speaker and it is 9 years old. But it is in excellent condition and I love the way it did home theater with my Heresy IIs. But I think I will be just as happy with the KLF-20 and C7. I originally sold them in mind with getting enough cash to buy the Reference speakers, but I was so disappointed when I went to listen to them. Then I heard about these KLF-20 on this forum and when I heard them I was in love just like I felt with my Heresy II. I may be inclined to say the KLF-20 sounds better than my Heresy II. But now quality of construction is a whole different story. BTW- Where is a good place local to Illinois or close by that matches online prices for the KLF-20. A local dealer quoted me $1200 which I think is quite high since the average online is around $800 for a pair. Thanks all. This message has been edited by jfcarbel on 08-21-2001 at 12:30 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 jfc,my local HiFiBuys(Tweeter,Etc.)has KLF-20's for $800 a pair.Don't know if Tweeter has a store near you.Check U-Bid too.They're unloading them for Klipsch.Good luck.They're great speakers. Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShapeShifter Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 Hum...in comparison would a pair of KSP-S6's at $700-800 be considered a good buy? Man, this audio hobby thing is begining to stress me out. Trying to maintain my serenity & budget. Wes This message has been edited by ShapeShifter on 08-21-2001 at 06:02 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-man Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 Recent Academy prices on eBay - $510 $275 $550 $610 What is wrong with these people?? I can't believe somebody would pay these prices for the academy. Is it REALLY that much better than the C7? If not, one could probably "make" a center channel out of heritage components from damaged or mismatched speakers that could be just as good, if not better than the academy. It's not like it has some stream-lined shape or something....Oh well, sellers, enjoy it while it lasts. t-man ------------------ KG 5.5 (mains) KG 2.2v (center) KG 1 (rears) KSW-12 (sub) Denon AVR 681/1601 Toshiba SD-3109 DVD Kenwood LVD700 LD Sony CD changer Sony 27" Trinitron Sony PLX I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedbump Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 I wouldn't say the Academy is better than the C7, just different. It REALLY makes a difference to my ears when matched with my Heresy/Chorus HT setup. The KLF sounded very good as well, but was just different enough to break up the front soundstage a bit. The Academy will probably continue to be in demand for some time, as a lot of people who bought their Klipsch gear 8-10 years ago are now moving to 5-6-7 channel amps and want the "right" speaker(s) to match their existing setup. my $.02 Speed ------------------ Klipsch Chorus I Mains Klipsch Academy Center Klipsch Heresy I Surrounds Mitsubishi WS-55807 55" HDTV Playstation 2 for games/DVD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireless Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 quote: Originally posted by jfcarbel: BTW- Where is a good place local to Illinois or close by that matches online prices for the KLF-20. A local dealer quoted me $1200 which I think is quite high since the average online is around $800 for a pair. B] Dude, get on ubid right now. You'll find reasonable prices on the KLFs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfcarbel Posted August 21, 2001 Author Share Posted August 21, 2001 wireless: Saw those great prices on Ubid, but I am looking for black and all they have is OAK. I am hoping more will go up soon in black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 The correct center for the Legends can simply be determined by checking the matching chart.Once you spend your money on the KLF-20's you will have the opportunity to decide if you want to have wasted your money by buying mis-matching center and surrounds. Get the C-7 ($300) and a pair of KSP-S6 surrounds.If you are patient you will find a pair at a reasonable price.If you are impatient,I will sell you my pair of S-6's for $800.However you get your hands on these speakers you will not have compromised the sound of the lot for a few bucks.You will pay many times over when listening to mis-matched speakers.Like the guy say's "pay me now of pay me later".Good luck to you jfc. Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eq_shadimar Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 Keith - Where is this matching chart? I looked over the site and could not find it. Could you provide the link here? Thanks, ------------------ FOR SALE OR TRADE COMPLETE R*3 SYSTEM FOR 3 HERESY'S Main System - Cornwalls (L/R main) RC-3 RS-3's (white) SVS 20-39CS Harman Kardon AVR 510 Hafler P505 (running sub) ProMedia 4.2 v400 for PC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted August 21, 2001 Share Posted August 21, 2001 Hello there eq_.At the top of this Forum page click "Products",then "Home Audio",then "Classic",then scroll down to "KLF-20".At bottom is list of matching center and surrounds,that is,if there were any.There were no matching surrounds made for the Legends.The KSP-S6's were designed as part of the Klipsch Synergy Premiere line(that I proudly own)but have been widely accepted as the surrounds to use with the Legends because of the close timbre match. Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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