hydebee Posted March 8, 2005 Share Posted March 8, 2005 first let me say i am the one who posted a ad on ebay, i by no means stated the speakers were klipsch i stated they were similar in looks (meaning they had horns as do cows and cars-huh) within hours i had a threatening email telling me i was in violation of the klipsch name ,you mean we have came to a point in this country that i can not say the word klipsch ,people who know me know i consider klipsch a great speaker having owner several pairs ,but i will not be intimidated by anyone espeically for saying something like the speakers are similar to klipsch,i would not take that as a insult but a compliment if i was klipsch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olorin Posted March 8, 2005 Share Posted March 8, 2005 Um, what part of "by no means the quality of jbls or altecs but probably as good as the old klipsch" and "KLIPSCH SUCKS AND SO DO THEIR CR AND TRADEMARK" -- your words -- are not insults? You're a loose cannon. Yes, we have come to the point in this country where you can not trade on someone else's good name. Get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted March 8, 2005 Share Posted March 8, 2005 That's also against ebay policy. You cannot post an auction for a Soundesign stereo, for example, and say "sounds like McIntosh", since they have nothing to do with each other. You could, however, post an auction for Fisher or Dynaco 12AX7 tubes and say they were "made by Telefunken" and "look for the diamond bottoms", because they were in fact made by Telefunken. I have seen auctions pulled because of improper linking of a brand name to someone else's product. They don't enforce it all of the time, but ebay can do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagne taste beer budget Posted March 8, 2005 Share Posted March 8, 2005 Well this should be interesting!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted March 8, 2005 Share Posted March 8, 2005 hydebee Are you the guy selling speakers which "I am not sure who makes them, but they come with the manufacturer's warranty", you know the ones that weight 40lbs but are better then the RF7s? Those were BIC right? If so your right I have a Rolls Royce, actually a OLDs88 w/ some rust, with a really nice ride, much better then the Rolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted March 8, 2005 Share Posted March 8, 2005 ---------------- On 3/8/2005 6:51:18 PM Olorin wrote: Um, what part of "by no means the quality of jbls or altecs but probably as good as the old klipsch" and "KLIPSCH SUCKS AND SO DO THEIR CR AND TRADEMARK" -- your words -- are not insults? You're a loose cannon. Yes, we have come to the point in this country where you can not trade on someone else's good name. Get used to it. ---------------- do we have a ebay number on this, i would like to see this EDIT. found it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyboy Posted March 8, 2005 Share Posted March 8, 2005 Looks like you messed up there hydebee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 just to make this interesting ... Lets invite Shuffy ..... i know he likes to argue .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagne taste beer budget Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted March 9, 2005 Share Posted March 9, 2005 If it is not genuine Klipsch, it is a violation of law to say or imply that it is. It is also illegal to misuse another company's trade mark or name. Expect to be prosecuted when you do these things. eBay cannot knowingly allow such things to happen on eBay without becoming liable for allowing it. Theft or misuse of the intellectual property, trade mark or name of others is a serious matter. Such folks deserve to be prosecuted to the full limit of the law. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Adams Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 ---------------- On 3/9/2005 10:43:54 PM MrMcGoo wrote: If it is not genuine Klipsch, it is a violation of law to say or imply that it is. It is also illegal to misuse another company's trade mark or name. Expect to be prosecuted when you do these things. eBay cannot knowingly allow such things to happen on eBay without becoming liable for allowing it. Theft or misuse of the intellectual property, trade mark or name of others is a serious matter. Such folks deserve to be prosecuted to the full limit of the law. Bill ---------------- You're damn right MrMcGoo!! That's why I spend my hard earned money buying M*nster Products so they can afford to go after all those infringing sons-a-b*tches. (running and ducking) Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 I see it done all the time, so what? is somebody going to sue? does eBay take down the ads? what is if is a Khorn copy? are you not supposed to say that it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Amy Posted March 10, 2005 Moderators Share Posted March 10, 2005 If this is the one about the 40 lbs RF-7 look alikes, then I'm the one who emailed him. This is my exact email: "Please remove "Klipsch" as the brand name of this item. Thank you, Amy Unger Web Specialist Klipsch Audio Technologies amy.unger@klipsch.com" He responded that he was having difficulty doing so, but he was trying-- and that it was clear in the rest of the auction that it wasn't Klipsch, so I responded: "Thank you very much. I just didn't want any confusion on the part of your customer, if they request warranty service, etc. I realize it was pretty clear it wasn't a Klipsch, but you never know." If that was threatening or intimidating, I'd like to know why. Edit: Just saw the other post on this. Wasn't the same guy. Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neomartic Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 It's like when people list a shirt for example. It will say something like: "Izod polo shirt, not polo ralph lauren, prada, or gucci" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted March 10, 2005 Share Posted March 10, 2005 Klipsch has not used inappropriate enforcement against people misusing their trade mark and name. On the other hand, M*nster has been very agressive in situations where it was not appropriate and they are suffering a boycott from some buyers as a result. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBILL Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 It is interesting that this came up when it did. I have copy ready to go to EBAY for a restored, 25 W amplifier of considerable quality. In the additional title information: "Excellent choice for Klipsch phantom center". Could this be construed as inappropriate? In a previous sale: "Auditioned for over ten hours on Klipschorns --my best test instruments". Is this different from mentioning that the tubes tested like new on a B&K 700? I hope that the above examples aren't even in a gray area, but I hope for your opinions before a click that send button tonight. THANKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 IMO there is no misuse of the Klipsch name. No one would believe that you are offereing Klipsch equipment for sale. You are offereing a tube amp for sale apparently. It is merely a fact that the amp drives high sensitivity speakers in a pleasing manner. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v3spitfire Posted March 12, 2005 Share Posted March 12, 2005 I don't think its illegal to say aztec sounds better than klipsh, which is essentially what I remember the add saying. Its purely subjective. If this is illegal, car companies are in big trouble as they are always saying "safety crash rated better that a volvo" or "faster than a audi TT" etc. The original add didn't make me think he was selling something as a klipsh speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmdridq Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 ---------------- On 3/12/2005 1:40:19 PM DRBILL wrote: It is interesting that this came up when it did. I have copy ready to go to EBAY for a restored, 25 W amplifier of considerable quality. In the additional title information: "Excellent choice for Klipsch phantom center". Could this be construed as inappropriate? In a previous sale: "Auditioned for over ten hours on Klipschorns --my best test instruments". Is this different from mentioning that the tubes tested like new on a B&K 700? I hope that the above examples aren't even in a gray area, but I hope for your opinions before a click that send button tonight. THANKS ---------------- Ebay has a rule against what they call "keyword spamming." Basically, this is the gratuitous use of brand names other than the one you are selling, just to attract hits when someone does a search for something similar to what you are selling. An example of this would be an auction titled "Bose speakers, better than Klipsch", which would cause the auction to show up whenever somebody did a search on "Klipsch". You can imagine how irritating that could be if there were a lot of hits. You can mention other brand names in the description if there is a legitimate reason, but you're not supposed to do it in the title. Ebay can terminate these kind of auctions if they get complaints. You should go to ebay and read their policy about it to get all the specifics. I'll try to link it in: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-keywords.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 When mentioning something, if you have no studies, focus groups or test data, you are making a Self serving statement. When auto Companies, detergent companies note, gets out more stains, did better in a type of impact, or there are more still registered and in use, those are objective statements. They can find the number of that model still registered, can show stain removal. They can back up what they say, note any differences in tests. Usually through a third party that can verify the results. If the Seller makes a statement, and it is promoting their product against another Companies, they are only speking for themselves and their product. Giving an opinion. Self serving to sell their product. One can state: "In my opinion," "I believe," "I haved used xxxx with success." The first two note a full opinion. The third statement, could be called into play if someone uses the same speaker with an amplifier and does not like the result/Match. The point is objectivity vs opinion. dodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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