Trey's Better Half Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 SS is better than Tubes...what ever that means. Trey said that someone named Craig would understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Amy Posted August 30, 2005 Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2005 Trey is only going to accomplish me banning you from day one. I'll go ahead and ban him while I'm at it. [] Welcome!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Oh, that's a good one. I won't comment on the topic but welcome Ms. Trey! (don't know if you're SO or Mrs. so Ms. will have to do for now) Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 welcome! SS IS better than tubes, it just doesn´t SOUND as good....lol. warm regards, tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 "Trey said that someone named Craig would understand." Uh...you would think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiobliss69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Trey is only going to accomplish me banning you from day one. I'll go ahead and ban him while I'm at it. [] Welcome!!! [] So you're a moderator! So that's how you get that little Klipsch logo in your posts. [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dflip Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Them's fighting words around here, at least most of the time. Amy has had to close more files with that topic than all others except Trey's next introductory line for you, SET is better than PP. Nothing like a significant other to lead the lamb to slaughter, so to speak. [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Blacksmith Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Just told you to start there huh? [] Welcome!! So, what is your take on the sound equipment gathering in your house? Too big? Too Loud? Something else? Have a good time here, we are like a family, with siblings picking on each other and all![] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsear Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Mrs. Trey....so you got snookered into a HOT BUTTON topic by your other half. For what it's worth I wished I had this input awhile back. I've just returned to quality SS from what was supposed to be quality tubes. IMHO the SS is better than what I was using. ( I do, however, still use a tube based DAC, the Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista). Many others will now trample all over this, hopefully with tact and sensitivity.[] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Tubes are the better half of audio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurenc319 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Only Trey's better half can get away with this, We will be polite. I love my tubes. Larry Max (my avitar) is saying " Did she really say that ?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Welcome Trey better half. Of course trey knows little of tube amplifiers. Only the one he uses is just as a door stop for the anechoic chamber. [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfyr Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Personally, I think the debate is a bit old [][], but I enjoy seeing that so many respond to it in much the same way that cables spur such an emotional debate!. It is more akin to a debate over preferring a stick shift to an automatic. A properly designed form of either works well. But there is more inherent personal interaction with the tube amp, if only because the tubes are consumable components! (contrary to the expressed assumptions of a few on this forum!) So there is more involved in the care and feeding (and total cost of operation!) of a tube amp.A good description of the fundamental differences between the two topologies is presented in the attached article focused on guitar amplifiers provided by a relative unknown by the name of Marshal Leach, PhD from that little school known as Georgia Tech.[] The conclusion is contrary to the oft cited odd-even harmonic content reasoning. And the result lends itself to a further exploration of the Nyquist and Heyser spirals to further examine the characteristics!The conclusions are also supported by others such as Aspen Pittman and John Murphy. TubeVsTransLeach.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 what did he say? dragon, you've got to quit staying up all night reading the 'cyclepaedia! LOL Is there any way to LOCK in my font and color choice? Oh, and MUCH better avatar Mrs Trey. I was hoping you didn't look like James Morrison, that would be scary! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiobliss69 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 It is more akin to a debate over preferring a stick shift to an automatic. A properly designed form of either works well. Those two debates are not at all alike; the manual is much better than the automatic!!!! [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfyr Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 OK, for those like Mr Camera [] who are just too busy to mess with learning all of this obtuse stuff, the results are: After a whole series of measurements and technical analysis...: "Listening tests indicate two causes for the the differences in perceived sound of tube and transistor guitar amplifiers. These are ripple intermodulation distortion and frequency response differences caused by the output impedance of the amplifier. Although ripple intermodulation distortion is easily detected by trained listeners, only one of seventeen test subjects was able to detect it without training. The change in frequency response caused by the high output impedance of the tube amp is by far the predominant cause for differences. The differences in speaker damping were not detected by the listeners. Also not detected were the differences in the harmonic content of an overloaded signal in the power amplifiers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 the manual is much better than the automatic!!!! In the hands of a professional driver, the manual is better. But your normal guy can't possibly shift as well under all circumstances as an automatic can. Standard shift is also much more dangerous for people talking on cell phones, or eating, or drinking while driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfyr Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 audiobliss69 wrote the following post at 08-30-2005 12:50 PM: dragonfyr wrote: It is more akin to a debate over preferring a stick shift to an automatic. A properly designed form of either works well. Those two debates are not at all alike; the manual is much better than the automatic!!!! --------------------------------------------- Personally I love a manual! But you have to define your frame of reference! But as far as being "better"? Really!? Try ordering a 1/2 ton+ pickup to be used for towing with a manual and see what the factory says! (and no folks! these are not the 18 wheel transmissions!) General Motors, Ford and far too many others (who have made and sold a few trucks) recommend an automatic transmission for trailer towing and reduce the Trailer Weight Rating with a manual transmission. The gear changes are electronically controlled and hydraulically actuated. When accelerating from a standing start, the engine's torque is multiplied by the torque converter, which is, in turn, multiplied by the transmission's gears. This provides more load-starting performance than most manual transmissions, with the added benefit of the torque converter allowing the engine to speed up for good power development without slipping the clutch. These are the main reasons automatic transmissions are generally recommended for trailer towing. Would this be analogous to why I wouldn't want to try to weld with my Audio Research amps but wouldn't mind using my Crown Macro-techs in a pinch? [ ][ ][6][ ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyKlipschFan Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 What is the new mantra....?? What the Klipschworld needs is a great 100 WPC+ SS amplifier? Look no further.. Aragon, has ya covered! Welcome Mrs Trey Cannon to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I suppose you won't mind us calling you Mrs. Fife? [] We'll let him explain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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