jpm Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 After reading the thread "Should Khorns be so bright", I wonder why we go to such extremes so often to tame horns. Tube, wires, room treatments, a this and a that. Aren't there some awesome speakers out there that a guy can hook up and get busy with without all the tweaking? Without all the super expense and time of components? Not trolling; just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Tube, wires, room treatments, a this and a that. +++++++++++++ I like to sit on the edge of the orchestra pit. Most speakers sound like you are at the rear of the balcony. Tubes are misconstrued as an inconvenience. I have heard awesome realism through Home Depot speaker cable. DIgital jitter and poor Class AB SS amplification give horns a bad rap by the narrow minded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfyr Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Has anyone considered that something properly designed and implemented should not require radical modification - given that there is not something else at play there, including one's perceptional bias. And I dare say that this reaction/situtation is atypical, so the basing of any generalization upon it is suspect! And it is applicable to this one pair of speakers or possibly to a partucular implimentation by Klipsch in its broadest application. ...Not necessarily to all horns in general. All formats and topologies have design considerations, just as dynamic drivers have their own sets of peculiarities! And any responsible design addresses these in a manner that reflects the desired goals of the designer. But there are always items that can be modified in any design. Nor is there one set of tastes that govern all who listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 here .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 For the amount of money I have in my system I would be hard pressed to get the same performance that I would be happy with out of another speaker. The only real tweak I have done to my Klipsch so far is Bob Crites crossover but that was necessary due to really old caps. My decision to go tube was made when I heard Quad II's and tubes for the first time. I don't think room treatments are left to people with horns or klipsch but rather people striving to make their systems sound the best they possibly can in there rooms that might not be optimal for a sound system of any kind. My room is not the best for music reproduction and has abit of an echo so in the next year I will be working on deadening my room with lots of thick curtains and tapestries. The room would need work no matter what I put in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 What's a Klipsh? A new brand? Are you referring to Klipsch perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 nice catch genius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I've never done a thing to "Tame my Horns" I like horns myself. I think if someone feels the need to tame there horns and there is nothing else wrong with there system they simply don't like there horn speakers and should move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburnwilly Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 You either love them or you hate them ! I vote Love ! [{][}] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 You either love them or you hate them ! I vote Love ! [{][}]I couldn't agree more. I vote love too. The more I listen to my 7s the happier I be. Damn, any of you guys ever crank La Grange with the horns. Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburnwilly Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 You either love them or you hate them ! I vote Love ! [{][}]I couldn't agree more. I vote love too. The more I listen to my 7s the happier I be. Damn, any of you guys ever crank La Grange with the horns. Awesome!Try the Live version of Back In Black on for size !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonfyr Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 You either love them or you hate them ! I vote Love ! [{][}]I couldn't agree more. I vote love too. The more I listen to my 7s the happier I be. Damn, any of you guys ever crank La Grange with the horns. Awesome!Try the Live version of Back In Black on for size !!! Hey, Get a room![] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Yes, there are plenty of awesome speakers out there that a tweaking audiophiles can hook up and get busy with, but not with out super expense. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The problem with the few cone loudspeaker systems in the $2-5K range that I have seriously auditioned, in my own home, with my own equipment, for EnjoyTheMusic.com, is that even with tubes, wires, room treatments, and this and that, they still fail to communicate the excitement and emotion of music. Except for single driver systems (which have their own set of problems). Moreover, even single driver loudspeakers still fail to capture the fast attack of a note, the thrill of a sharp crescendo and the gentle darkness of a silent passage in music. The extremes we go to tame horns are required by any audio system to get the last syrupy drop of 3D sonic realism. We add a sub to get the deep bass of instruments and movies. We dampen the source to remove vibrations and jitter. We fit the right amplifier to the speaker because of the variegation of impedance loads. We treat the room to allow each system to sound its best. And we question, argue and spend all in the name of the quest: the search for audio nirvana! [8] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksonbart Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 cause its better than second place? .... [8-)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 Yes, there are plenty of awesome speakers out there that a tweaking audiophiles can hook up and get busy with, but not with out super expense. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> The problem with the few cone loudspeaker systems in the $2-5K range that I have seriously auditioned, in my own home, with my own equipment, for EnjoyTheMusic.com, is that even with tubes, wires, room treatments, and this and that, they still fail to communicate the excitement and emotion of music. Except for single driver systems (which have their own set of problems). Moreover, even single driver loudspeakers still fail to capture the fast attack of a note, the thrill of a sharp crescendo and the gentle darkness of a silent passage in music. The extremes we go to tame horns are required by any audio system to get the last syrupy drop of 3D sonic realism. We add a sub to get the deep bass of instruments and movies. We dampen the source to remove vibrations and jitter. We fit the right amplifier to the speaker because of the variegation of impedance loads. We treat the room to allow each system to sound its best. And we question, argue and spend all in the name of the quest: the search for audio nirvana! [8] THIS IS ARGUABLY THE FINEST, MOST ON THE MARK POST EVER PRESENTED TO THE KLIPSCH FORUM. KUDOS TO YOU COLIN... YOU'RE MY HERO! WHAT MORE CAN ONE SAY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 jpm, I believe that the thread to which you refer involves a Khorn in which something is broken. Ordinarily they would sound fabulous right out of the box with no tweaking. The rest of the tweaking universe is just a bunch of shade tree mechanics working on their old low riders (or Heritage speakers) to get them right and having the time of their lives. One disclaimer, there are some engineers who really do know their stuff. Not for everyone, but it can be alot of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 I concur that something must be broken on that dude's Ks. There's no other explanation for them sounding so lousy. If I were him I'd hook up a pair of different speakers to the same speaker wire he has the Ks on. If the other speakers sound good then I'd be hauling the Khorns back to the store for a full refund. Why dick around with damaged goods, unless the price was righteous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsear Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 What Colin said!!!! I just posted on the topic your referring to outlining the steps I've taken to tweek my new Khorns. While I wish they came out of the box the way they are now they didn't. But I can assure you that given the $$ invested in them that the reproduction I'm getting is far superior than anything that could come out of a box at a similar price. It's damn fun too being able to have a system that can be be milked, whetted and polished to such a marvelous degree. You can re-cut a diamond and make it better, but you still cannot make a silk purse from the sows ear.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 After reading the thread "Should Khorns be so bright", I wonder why we go to such extremes so often to tame horns. Tube, wires, room treatments, a this and a that. Aren't there some awesome speakers out there that a guy can hook up and get busy with without all the tweaking? Without all the super expense and time of components? Not trolling; just curious. Technically and on many other levels, the answer to your question is "NO", there is no way to achieve the level of efficiency, extremely low distortion, and experience the realistic dynamics of music and sound UNLESS its with horns. 'Nuff said. DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool_blue Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 You either love them or you hate them ! I vote Love ! ------------ I thought the newsest hummer commercial called monster was a appropriate view for this : ) http://www.hummer.com/ see Hummer World/Commercials/Monster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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