BigBusa Posted October 1, 2001 Share Posted October 1, 2001 Fed Ex just delivered my new super duper, wonderful, $169 Kenwood VR-407 Digital DTS reciever. I was all excited about upgrading to digital as I started to hook it up. The new electonic equipment smell was getting me all excited! The excitment soon turned to frustration. : After about 30 minutes I was finally able to get some sound to come from my cornwalls. I plugged my RCA cables from my CD player into the reciever but the input was not set to "analog" so no sound. Each set of rca plugs (phono, tape, dvd, cd etc etc) on the reciever have three different options for input ...automatic, analog and digital. Each one has to be set according to what the component you're connecting is. It's rediculously confusing or I'm getting way to old. The manual sucks as does the tiny remote. I like a lot of BASS! My 10 year old Sony STR-D611 would push my cornwalls so well that the bass (when on full with the "loud" switch on) would "punch me in the chest" and rattle my internal organs. With the bass all the way up on the new POS Kenwood I get minimum bass. The only way I can get all the bass I like is to crank it way up but then the mids and highs are far too loud. It's true you do get what you pay for. I think I will send this thing back and take a huge restocking fee hit to buy something different. Thanks for listening to me rant and rave. Now, I have to figure out what DTS reciever is going to live up to my standards yet not cost $1000. ------------------ ? This message has been edited by BigBusa on 10-01-2001 at 04:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted October 1, 2001 Share Posted October 1, 2001 These new low line receivers have4 wimpy transformers and power supplies. You need to Look at separates or high current stuff like the Onkyo 787 or NAD T761 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Delaflor Posted October 1, 2001 Share Posted October 1, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Audio Flynn: These new low line receivers have4 wimpy transformers and power supplies. You need to Look at separates or high current stuff like the Onkyo 787 or NAD T761 Im a newbie here, what is that about high current amplifiers? are there more important things than the watts and amplifier is able to achieve? Im thinking in two Denon models, DRA375RD for stereo and 1602 for HT, are these good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myram Posted October 1, 2001 Share Posted October 1, 2001 Denon 3802 will be the one to look for. Mail order it can be had for around $800-$900. That will make you very happy.....and your cornwalls too. ------------------ Klipsch Quartets - fronts Klipsch Academy - center Klipsch KG 1.5's - rear surrounds Klipsch KG .5's - rear side surrounds Klipsch KSW12 subwoofer Denon AVR-4800 Denon POA-5200 THX Amp (fronts) Sony C-67ES CD Player JVC 36D201 36" TV JVC HR-S3600 SVHS Player JVC XV-M565BK DVD Player Scientific Atlanta Explorer 2100 Digital Cable box Playstation 2 Monster Power HTS-2000 Monster Cable M-series Speaker Cable and subwoofer cable Monster Component, S-Video, and Optical cables RS HT Gold Interconnects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundog Posted October 1, 2001 Share Posted October 1, 2001 I highly recommend the Outlaw 1050 6.1 AV receiver at $499. It is equivalent in quality to $1000 receivers ... available at www.outlawaudio.com HT-1 Klipsch Heritage System (music oriented) Klipschorns w/ ALK crossover upgrades 4 Klipsch LaScalas (surround & rears) Heresy components in custom cabinet /monitor stand (center) Panasonic 32 Monitor W/ component video input 3 Sony CX400 CD changers Sony CX-200 CD Changer MSB Technology Digital Director w/ jitter reduction Nirvis DXS digital controller (auto selection of whatever changer is playing) Nirvis Slink-e computer interface Nirvis jukebox software (downloads net cd info, album covers& lyrics- programs & controls changers searchable for songs, artists, albums). Nirvis CDJ (CD Jukebox Software) Monster 5000 Power Center Sony Viao Laptop Computer Sony S530D DVD Player Sony 798HF VCR Sony XA1ES CD player Sherwood HX-PRO dual cassette deck Dynaco PAS4 stereo preamp W/ Tesla Tube upgrades (also outputs to HT2) Technics SL3300 DD Turntable w/ Shure cartridges Outlaw 1050 6.1 A/V Receiver (Dynaco inputs directly to amp section) Perpetual Technologies P1A Digital Correction Engine (jitter reduction, 16 to 24 bit conversion, future speaker frequency correction, and room acoustic correction ) Perpetual Technologies P3A DAC ( plus 44.1k to 96k CD upsampling) Klipsch KSW-15 sub (for DVD LFEs ) Klipsch LF-10 sub Phillips Pronto TS2000 Programmable Remote Scientific American Explorer 2000 Home Communications Terminal X10 computerized lighting controls Radio Shack Wireless Remote Control Extender Cables: Onix , MSB, Monster, AR., Iced Purple, RS Gold Monster Bi-wire speaker cables.(Khorns) HT#2 Klipsch THX System (movie oriented) 4 Klipsch KT-LCR THX Speakers 4 Klipsch RS-3s (side & rear surround) 2 Klipsch KT-DS THX Surrounds 10 Linaem Tweeters Outlaw 1050 6.1 A/V Receiver (Dynaco inputs directly to amp section) Monster 3000 Power Center Sony X111 ES CD Player Sony 775HF VCR Sony STR-G3 (supplemental amplification for extra speakers) Toshiba 61 High Definition TV Sony NS700 Progressive Scan DVD Toshiba 4205 DVD/ CD Changer Klipsch SW-12II Sub Klipsch LF-10 sub Sony AV2100 remote Scientific American Explorer 2000 Home Communications Terminal X10 Computerized Lighting Vibrapods (vibration isolation) RS Gold , Monster, Iced Purple, AR Cables This message has been edited by soundog on 10-01-2001 at 07:27 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eq_shadimar Posted October 1, 2001 Share Posted October 1, 2001 Mr Big :-) All DTS receivers have some sort of bass management. I don't know if you have a sub hooked up or not. If you don't have a sub then make sure that your speakers are set to large and that the subwoofer output is set to off or none. Most receivers will set the speaker size to small and subwoofer output on or yes by default. This could explain your lack of bass as the receiver could be routing all the bass to a non existant sub. I know it is a long shot but I thought I would mention it. Laters, ------------------ FOR SALE OR TRADE COMPLETE R*3 SYSTEM FOR 3 HERESY'S Main System - Cornwalls (L/R main) RC-3 RS-3's (white) SVS 20-39CS Harman Kardon AVR 510 Hafler P505 (running sub) ProMedia 4.2 v400 for PC This message has been edited by eq_shadimar on 10-01-2001 at 09:04 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted October 1, 2001 Share Posted October 1, 2001 Ed makes a lot of good points. This might be a matter of bass management. They might re occur with another, new for you, unit. HT units are complex and deserve careful reading of the manuals. Like it or not, this is not like the old days with simple inputs and outputs in the hardware. I don't like the gripes by my fellow old guys. We've got half a century of technology under our belt. Unfortunately, we still have to read the instructions. I say that in good spirits. Gil This message has been edited by William F. Gil McDermott on 10-01-2001 at 09:26 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted October 1, 2001 Share Posted October 1, 2001 Well now you see(heard)what I try to explain to most here.A low bro reciever no matter who made it has a whimpy amplifier.The whimpy amp will have to be boosted and boosted and even then the bass is anemic at best. Even your much better Sony reciever had to be BOOSTED with loudness and bass knobs all the way to the max to give you a bass punch. A great amp can give you all this and way more on a flat setting!And again I have to bring up Bryston and Krell and Kraft(no not Kraft macaroni N cheese LOL) Symponic line the absolute reference in bass.No other amps can match the bass these bass meisters kick.Any speaker,even the Klipsch SB-2 wake up and dish tight and awesome bass,a thing they will never do on any reciever. Ok this said its time to get a good reciever,the Outlaw around $500 is a great inbexpensive reciever.After you may get a deal on a Denon 3801,great deals can still be had,great reciever! And if you can stretch your budget a bit(LOL)get a Denon 4800(disco also!)and you may say WOW. Oh I cant wait my RF-7's are coming this week! YESSS LOL RF-7's with FPB600 = EFORTLESS POWER With 102dB with 1 W at 1 meter these can punch a hole in the drywall! And bass will be plenty I can guarantee this. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted October 2, 2001 Share Posted October 2, 2001 ditto what eq-s. said...check your speaker setup settings-no sub, speakers-large, and check for an equalizer built-in, and 'pump up the bass'.avman. ------------------ 1-pair klf 30's c-7 center ksps-6 surrounds sony strda-777ES receiver sony playstation 2 dishnetwork model 7200 dishplayer satellite receiver/digital bitstream recorder pioneer dvd player sharp 35"tv panamax max dbs+5 surge protector/power conditioner monster cable interconnects/12 gua.speaker wire a 'teens' sub coming!(RSW-15 LOOKIN'GOOD!) KLIPSCH-So Good It Hz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discorules Posted October 2, 2001 Share Posted October 2, 2001 I have to agree with those who say to check bass management. Yes, this means reading the manual. Replacing the receiver might bring up the same bass issues. My personal favorite is Harman Kardon although Kenwood should be more than adequate for HT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake2 Posted October 2, 2001 Share Posted October 2, 2001 If you decide to change receivers, there is a (what appears to be) gently used Denon AVR3300 in Yahoo Classifieds (under general merchandise) in Englewood, CO for $400... DD2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBusa Posted October 3, 2001 Author Share Posted October 3, 2001 I did check all the things you guys spoke of and still lame bass. It's just a weakly powered 100 watt per channel reciever. Do not bother trying the Kenwood vr-407! Thanks for the advice. I found a local audiophile who has an Outlaw 1050. He's invited me to his house to listen to it. Excuse Me ...I mean audition it. I may end up getting one of these if I like it. -Don ------------------ ? This message has been edited by BigBusa on 10-03-2001 at 06:31 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-man Posted October 3, 2001 Share Posted October 3, 2001 bigbusa, Let us know how you like that outlaw. Are you going to bring your speakers over there? T-man ------------------ KG 5.5 (mains) KG 2.2v (center) KLF-C7 (center in storage) KG 1 (rears) KSW-12 (sub) Denon AVR 681/1601 Toshiba SD-3109 DVD Kenwood LVD700 LD Sony CD changer Sony 27" Trinitron Sony PLX I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr84monte Posted October 5, 2001 Share Posted October 5, 2001 Ok, I have to stand up for Kenwood, I was recently forced to upgrade my receiver (I blew my Dolby channel in my old one) since my whole system was already Kenwood and didn't have the money to upgrade my whole system to what I would have wanted, I ended up with the vr-409 I must say, I was very impressed with it, for the cost. But that was after I figured out that my speakers, were not suppose to be set on large (no bass from the Sub came out). Now I have stuff falling off the walls in the back of the house, and no matter where you are in the house, it would seem like the mother ship is landing on your house, from the shakes and rattles. But the two down falls are I think it has a bad capacitor, because sometimes it takes awhile for the center channel to come on (like 5 to 15 min.) but it doesn't happen often enough to take it in yet. It would be the case of "it worked fine for me" I've discussed this already with Kenwood, and the say it's my Klipsch KV2 "yeah right". I have a five year warranty, so I'll wait. The second thing, was the fact I just bought a new cd player 2 years ago, but the system control on the new receiver is not compatible with the old cd player, not allowing the remote control to be used with the cd player. So I ended up buying a 200 disk player, the more expensive one, that can be hooked up to a computer, to download all the info on the cd to the player. (more Money GRRRR) But that is a mistake. I keep taking the cds out to listen to in my car, and end up not putting them back into the player, when I'm done. I'm I sticking up for Kenwood? Or putting them down? Hehe But I am impressed with the great separation out of the speakers when watching a movie. Some movies, you think someone is in your house. Because of the sound coming from behind you, on one side. Freaky, if your watching a scary movie by yourself. You almost have to duck from the bullets wizzing past your head, in Private Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggs Posted October 8, 2001 Share Posted October 8, 2001 Ok, I'm sorry if I piss anyone off, but I'm gonna have to disagree with the Denon and Outlaw comments. I have the Denon 2800 and the KG4. With the sub set off, the front speakers to large and the bass all the way up, there's hardly any thump in my system at all. Same with my father's Outlaw 1050, it also has no low end compared to his old Kenwood separates and was pretty disappointed when I suggested to him it was time to upgrade and he did. Now I'm not bashing either receiver in the HT area, because both rock, but both need a good powered subwoofer to give that missing punch. IMHO. ------------------ Denon AVR-2800 KG-4 mains Polk C-175 center Infintiy RS-10 Surrounds Audiosource SW-15 subwoofer All in a 12x12 apartment bedroom. "What?! I can't hear you!" This message has been edited by Diggs on 10-08-2001 at 09:00 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBusa Posted October 9, 2001 Author Share Posted October 9, 2001 Maybe I'll just stick with my 9 year old sony ...It thumps the bass from my cornwalls like I want to hear. Call me cheap but I refuse to spend $700 or more on a damn reciever. ------------------ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avman Posted October 9, 2001 Share Posted October 9, 2001 i'm returning to stock an energy 12" sub i've been 'field testing' (read that borrowing-he he).it is the first experience i've had w/my receiver's bass management system, and a rsw-15 will find a home in the right rear corner of my ht room! the 12 did well at low to medium loud volume, but at high vol, it can't keep up w/the legends.i've got to say though that it, along w/my legends, 'fixed' a spotlight out in the back of my house-by ratteling the room so much-it must have shook loose the rust on the contacts or something! anyway, it's only a taste of things to come when the rsw-15 comes home! the bass management in the 777 allows for a 40Hz crossover from mains-to-sub, perfect for my '30's, and my c-7 and s-6's are crossed at 70 Hz. bump no problem here!! avman. ------------------ 1-pair klf 30's c-7 center ksps-6 surrounds sony strda-777ES receiver upgraded to v.2.02 including virtual matrix 6.1 sony playstation 2 dishnetwork model 7200 dishplayer satellite receiver/digital bitstream recorder pioneer dvd player sharp 35"tv panamax max dbs+5 surge protector/power conditioner monster cable interconnects/12 gua.speaker wire a 'teens' sub coming!(RSW-15 LOOKIN'GOOD!) KLIPSCH-So Good It Hz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggs Posted October 10, 2001 Share Posted October 10, 2001 quote: Originally posted by BigBusa: Maybe I'll just stick with my 9 year old sony ...It thumps the bass from my cornwalls like I want to hear. Call me cheap but I refuse to spend $700 or more on a damn reciever. Mine only cost me $300 brand new. ------------------ Denon AVR-2800 KG-4 mains Polk C-175 center Infintiy RS-10 Surrounds Audiosource SW-15 subwoofer All in a 12x12 apartment bedroom. "What?! I can't hear you!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Phillips Posted October 14, 2001 Share Posted October 14, 2001 Never scrimp on the reciever.The Kenwood should do better than that. I have no problem with my Cornwalls and bass.They sit on 2 foot high end tables about a foot away from the rear wall.Denon 2800 set large and in Direct(defeats tone controls),sub set to off. Basssounds very natural. You would think sitting off the floor would hurt the bass.Not. Hey soundog,would you please turn your signature off when you post,you are making me jealous Just kidding,don't take me serious,love looking at all those goodies.Too bad we live so far away. ------------------ Main HT:'77 Klipschorns w/ALKs, '75 Heresy center,modified with,K-Horn sqauwker & AA network. KSP-S6 at sides 2 KSP-S6's rear. Denon AVR-3801 2 Denon POA-2800 200X2 1 driving the Horns 1 driving the bi-wired Heresy center. 2 DIY 12"4ohm subs,Carver A500x 400 watts per ch.feed. 1 12" powered sub(behind the couch)feed from the surrounds pre-outs. Sony DVP-C650D. Dishnetwork Echostar 4700 w/DD JVC S7600U S-VHS Pioneer CDL-D501 laser Music in "Direct"only! DH Labs T-14 speaker wire to the front 3. Room size;15.5 X 25' opening into dining room. Old RCA 52"RPTV w/matching cabinets Bed room HT: KSB 2.1 mains,SC-1,SS-1's,2 SW 8 II subs. Cornwall Is for music only Denon AVR-2800, Dishnetwork,Sony SLV-975HF VCR,Panasonic DVD-RV31. 27"RCA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBusa Posted October 15, 2001 Author Share Posted October 15, 2001 I picked up an Onkyo TS-DX777 from Ubid last night. The majority of reviews that I read on it were positive so I think I'll be very happy. It's even THX certified! ------------------ This message has been edited by BigBusa on 10-15-2001 at 11:02 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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