Born2RockU Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Which should I get for my Peach ? There is a single Amperex pinch-waist 6922 on EBay that ends in a few hours. Would this dominate over the Telefunken CCa ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2RockU Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 -Double Post-...sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Get the plain Amperex Bugle Boys and a few tanks of gas (LOL). Seriously, if you have the money to try all these different "so called" high end tubes to hear a tiny amount of difference then go ahead. But the big differences come in that first step up into say the $35.00 - $65.00 range per tube. After that the price goes way up, and the improvements MAY go up a small amount. I spent the money and found these things out. I found out specifically that NOS Telefunken smooth plates did not sound quite as good to me as the Bugle Boys I already had. They had more noise as well. I spent nearly $300 to learn that one. I'm talking in the Peach and VRDs. Just trying to keep sense into this tube thing. I think most of these tubes probably sold for a buck or two way back when. Just be smart and have realistic expectations. A good idea would be to temporarily exchange tubes with other forum members to learn the characteristics of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjgeraci Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Craig: I do not know about a pinched-waist 6922 dominating one of the vaulted Telefunkens CCas, but Gary seemed to like his pinch-waist alot. http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/610664/ShowPost.aspx I have not heard the pinched-waist, but I can give you my impressions of the Holland Amperex 6922, the base version to the pinched-waist tube. It is a very, very good tube and to my ears, a step above of most of the Amperex I have ever heard (Bugle Boys, orange globes, A-frames and white 6DJ8/6922). I would say that while it does not have all of the definition or smoothness of my Siemens CCa (but is up in that territory), the 6922 Amperex has a warmer midrange, wetter sound, and performs great. So, since the pinch-waist is supposed to be even better than the 6922, gold-pin Holland (and U.S.) Amperex versions - that is saying something. After all, this is one of the "grail" tubes. I will probably try a pinch-waist Amperex at some point - based on my experience with the gold-pin 6922 - and based on its reputation. I have not heard the Telefunkens CCa tubes, but I can tell you that the Amperex 6922 gold-pin Holland and Siemens CCa are better than the standard Telefunkens. Then again, the Tele CCas are also some of those special tubes - at least by members' opinions in here - and by reputation. Carl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robster Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 I believe Brent Jesse at www.audiotubes.com has Amperex 6922 pinch waist tubes . Cheers, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robster Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 A forum member was so kind to sell me a Siemens Cca 6DJ8 and I love it in my Blueberry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjgeraci Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Yep, the Siemens CCa is a heck of a tube. In my Peach, I currently run 2 Siemens CCa (Super Loz) and the above-mentioned gold-pin 6922 (standard Blueberry) Carl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2RockU Posted October 13, 2005 Author Share Posted October 13, 2005 Thanx family, ...so does anyone have a single Siemens Cca that they would sell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robster Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Some on Ebay now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Thanx family, ...so does anyone have a single Siemens Cca that they would sell? Born2, I have 2 more back up NOS NIB Telefunken CCa's, and several (5 or 6) NOS NIB Valvo E88CC, as well as Siemens. I love the telefunkens and will not part with them, but if you'd like, I will sell you 1 Valvo. I have done my research, and learned that a 6922 is the exact same construction as E88CC. However, the CCa's are constructed to more stringent standards, as dictated by the German telephone company. So CCa's is reportedly the better tube.....But when you through in the Pinch Waist Siemens, I can not say. I have no experience with them, other than to say the Gary and Steve (aka Smilin) love them. From what I've read, some people rave about them, others say there just another tube. I do know their hard to come by, but I know a guy in germany that has a healthy supply of Siemens pinch waist, all NOS NIB. He also has NOS NIB Tele..CCa's, and Siemens and Valvo's. Personally, I much prefer the Telefunken CCa's. I have them in my CD player and recently swapped one out for my 6DJ8 bugle boy that's was in my Blueberry for one. The CCa's to me are more dynamic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robster Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 Hi Born2RockU,I just sent you a PM. Cheers, Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 B2RU, I've got a lot of 5 Siemens CCa's that I'd like to sell for $500.Please pm/email me if you might be interested.Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 My CD player uses six 6922s and I found that my favorites are the Mullard CV2493. This tube produced the most lifelike midrange in my application. I tried Amperex and Siemens as well and ended up selling them on ebay becuse I had so much $$ tied up in them and knew I'd never use them. Never popped the cash for the "pinched waist" variation. Anyway, this is another one to consider. I bought mine on ebay from a guy in Australia about 4 years ago for $20 ea. Great tube for the money--in fact, the BEST 6922 at ANY price in my application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smilin Posted October 13, 2005 Share Posted October 13, 2005 When I had the peach, I tried over 20 varieties, including the Seimans CCa, Valvo CCa, PW Amperex, USA/and Holland aslo PW 6dj8. My fav was the USA d getter PW form the 50's. This was also true with the Thor TA1000 MK2, DK Design VS1 MK2, and almost any type of eq. that used 6922 variety. Yes they are EXPENSIVE, and rare, but IMHO they ARE the BEST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Steve, Are you sure that you were using it with the Thor? Afaik, the Thor uses 12ax7's and 12at7's and no 6dj8's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Steve, Are you sure that you were using it with the Thor? Afaik, the Thor uses 12ax7's and 12at7's and no 6dj8's. Guy, I believe, or at least I read, that a 6922/E88CC/CCa/(Allan through me another curve wih his Mullard).... can be substituted for a 6DJ8. If you find this to be incorrect, let me know, and why, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Gilbert, This is true. I was the referring to the Thor Audio TA-1000 preamp which afaik, doesn't use any 6dj8 in it. BTW, my experience with the Mullard CV-2493 is different than Allan's. It's just too dark and mellow to my ears. But, it would be perfect in overall bright systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 I'm a "dark and mellow" kind of guy, Guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Again, It's very circuit dependent. When I've tried the CV-2493 in either my Airtight ATE-2 or CAT SL-1 Sig III, it just killed the sound. OTOH, it did wonders with an Audible Illusions preamp and a DK design VS-1 amp. There's no real conclusion here so my advice here is just the typical "try before you buy". Although they don't cost that much to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted October 14, 2005 Share Posted October 14, 2005 Again, It's very circuit dependent. When I've tried the CV-2493 in either my Airtight ATE-2 or CAT SL-1 Sig III, it just killed the sound. OTOH, it did wonders with an Audible Illusions preamp and a DK design VS-1 amp. There's no real conclusion here so my advice here is just the typical "try before you buy". Although they don't cost that much to begin with. Well said Guy and absolutely true. One tube brand/type may sound great in a particular piece of gear but in some other piece it may be just so so. Then factor in all are difference listening preferences you just never know what tube may be the ticket for your needs. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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