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Yet Another 6SN7 tube ?


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This is a quote from the Tube Depot:

"The Mullard ECC32 / CV181 is in the 6SN7 family of tubes. It is not a direct replacement, but for situations where it does work, it is one of the best sounding replacements you can use for ANY 6SN7. It really brings music to life. If you want to know if this tube will work in your system, just contact us and we will help to figure this out with you."

I'd contact your manufacturer first to see if this cool lookin' Mullard can replace your 6SN7s (I'd love to know if they'll work in my preamp).

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I have a pair mullard ECC32 that I have tried in my JFL amp, I prefered the sound of my 1940´s tungsol round plates in this amp. Though these sounded pretty darn good. BTW the EH6SN7 is a giant killer IMHO if you have not tried those, try them.

regards, tony

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Yeah that is a bit pricey http://www.tubedepot.com/nos-ecc32.html zowee

In this audiogon add they are 100ea obo

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?accstube&1135912404

Are you talking about the new EH6sn7 or some vintage nos?

http://store.triodestore.com/6sehelmapa.html

$23.95ea not bad but I don't mind spending more IF it makes a difference.

When I put my Sylvania 6SL7s in my amps I could tell a definate difference.

These are for my Wright WLA12A preamp. I had one of my 6SN7s finally

give out so I am looking again. George Wright recommended the Sylvania

Chrome Tops and an across these mullards looking for sylvanias and was

curious.

Thanks for the replies...

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I have entered the land of tubes that require drugs! What the hell are "Cryovalve Cryogenically Frozen Vacuum Tubes"?

Has anyone heard any of these "cryo tubes"?

How much did Buddha charge for Nirvanna? These guys are making a fortune!

excerpt

Overview of the Treatment and Grading of Cryovalve Tubes

The

series of operations through which an electron tube must pass before it

can be called a "Cryovalve" is lengthy and in some ways, arduous.

First, only the best sounding NOS (new old stock) or new production

tubes are considered for cryogenic treatment. Every tube is

pre-selected by Tube World on a "SOFIA" computer curve tracer and only

the tubes with the most linear and evenly spaced plate curves are

selected for cryo-treatment. Also, in the case of dual-triodes such as

12AX7, 6922, only the tubes with the closest triode section matching

(typically within 5%) and quietest noise-floor are chosen for

treatment. Pentodes such as EL34, EL84, 6550 are selected on the basis

of having high transconductance and high standing idle current and are

matched into pairs and quads before they are frozen.

As received,

a typical electron tube exhibits several problems that directly impact

its sonic performance. Most serious are the many internal stresses in

the construction materials that accumulate during most of the stages of

manufacture and; a very hard, heavy oxide-coating on through-glass pins

to which direct connection is made. Seven and nine-pin miniature tubes

are typical of those pins which are heavily oxidized while power tubes

such as KT88 and EL34 are fitted with bases whose pins are tinned with

the result that contact quality is much improved. The degree of sonic

improvement is SUBSTANTIAL. The initial 100 hour burn-in allows the

tubes' characteristics to stabilize while providing an opportunity to

"cull" any "infant mortals"

During cryogenic tempering, the tube

is slowly cooled to the -117 C / -320 F temperature of liquid nitrogen,

"soaked" for many hours then slowly returned to ambient. By means of

this unique and vital process, the stresses interior to the materials

of the tube are substantially and permanently relaxed. During a

subsequent, high temperature anneal, the tube is heated to a 175 C /

350 F temperature then slowly cooled to ambient. Although not as

extensive, the results are similiar to those achieved by the cryogenic

procedure. The "Q" of the (self) resonant (electro) mechanical systems

responsible for the output of (self) microphonic spuriae is thereby

drastically reduced. By this important reduction, both the peak

amplitude and the "ring down" time of these systems is reduced with the

result that the "apparent gain" of the tube is increased - even in

feedback controlled circuits - while the "dynamic noise floor" is

lowered.

Grading for noise and microphonic performance involves

both listening and intrument evaluation. Various instrumentation

provides data on the noise, microphonic level and spectral content

while the overall "sound" of the spuriae is critically evaluated. In

particular, the evaluation of microphonic output is very much an

experienced-judgement call. Dual triodes (example: 12AX7, 6SN7GT, 5751,

5687) are rated for overall noise performance by the noise-output level

of the noisier "tube" or triode section. Thereby, it's possible for a

tube given an over "standard rating" to contain an ultra-low noise

(ULN) section. ULN rated tubes however, always consist of two ULN

sections, hence the higher cost per tube.

The last few steps in

the process are the standard yet essential procedures for the

evaluation of many important electrical characteristics such as GAIN,

PLATE CURRENT and TRANSCONDUCTANCE. Additional data is generated

indicative of the GAIN and DC BALANCE of each tube's sections.

Quite

simply, "Cryovalve" electron tubes are the tube of choice for virtually

all high performance audio applications: Your satisfaction is

guaranteed! Each tube has its own serial number and comes with test

data for:

Cryovalve Sonic Comments

Cryovalve "Special-Select and Premium-Graded" NOS tubes are the finest sounding tubes in the world.

I

can hardly put into words how wonderful this new batch of Cryovalve

tubes sound, they are so outstanding you are literally hypnotized by

the music:

Greatly perceived DYNAMICS due to reduced noise floor (blacker background) VERY! focused and sweet midrange. Incredible top to bottom tightness to the music.Mid-Bass articulation is excellent (tight!)Sub-sonic (Deep) bass tracking is phenomenal (especially hip hop bands) Emotional recordings will bring you to TEARS!You

can hear individual instrumention in each channel in the mix much

better. The foundation of each recording can be followed perfectly. You

just hear more music! Cymbals have incredible SHIMMER!

Sweeping musical passages rise and fall like a tidal waveClosely miced recordings are ALIVE! in your room. You find yourself INSIDE! the recording.Background vocals buried in alot of mixes are readily apparent and become a bigger part of the recording.You can hear every waver in a singer's voice

Customer Comment on Cryovalve Low-Noise NOS tubes:

To

say impressed would not be enough! To say jaw dropping astounded still

would not approach the exact sentiments! To reach nirvana is close, but

still can't describe it! But if you have ever wanted to treat yourself

to pure musical purity and bliss, then you have go to be willing to buy

some of these Cryovac tubes. They are worth every penny they cost. My

system is comprised of Audio Prism's Mantissa Pre-amp and Debut MKII

amplifier. First I bought some 6DJ8/Mullard cryovalve's in my gain

stage and I was very impressed with the overall changes in my system.

More musical presence, clarity, bass enunciation and range that went on

and on. Later, I purchased some Gold-Grade 12AU7 Mullards for my output

pre-amp section , sat down to listen, and ..., I was struck by

lightning. I never knew music could sound this beautiful. I could swear

that whatever I put on, put the musician right in my living room. What

enchantment, what beauty, what all! and out ecstasy! Please, if you

can, try these tubes in your system, and I'm sure you wont be sorry.

I'd say more, but I want to get back to the music, I can't seem to turn

it off anymore!

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Yeah that is a bit pricey http://www.tubedepot.com/nos-ecc32.html zowee

In this audiogon add they are 100ea obo

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?accstube&1135912404

Are you talking about the new EH6sn7 or some vintage nos?

http://store.triodestore.com/6sehelmapa.html

$23.95ea not bad but I don't mind spending more IF it makes a difference.

When I put my Sylvania 6SL7s in my amps I could tell a definate difference.

These are for my Wright WLA12A preamp. I had one of my 6SN7s finally give out so I am looking again. George Wright recommended the Sylvania Chrome Tops and an across these mullards looking for sylvanias and was curious.

Thanks for the replies...

I've got a slew of good Tung Sol 6SN7 that I'll probably never use. I should probably sell a few of them. Send me a PM if you're interested, I can dig them out and see what's what. I don't think they are from the 40's. Maybe late 50's or 60's.

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I was intensely curious about the Mullard ECC32 and for a good while

looked for a decent deal to try these out. Never did run across a good

price. However, I did run across a couple of postings on shootouts with

a number of 6SN7 tubes, including these. Don't remember the gear, but

testing group consisted of several buddies and on both of those, the

ECC32 was well regarded, but also middle of the pack among 6sn7's in

this particular group on whatever particular systems. I ended up

thinking that the price was a result of small supply rather than killer

sound.

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Being a blacksmith, I deal with heat treating metals and can speak a

little to the above blurb on sub-zero quenching of metal. I am not a

heat treating "expert" but I know a little more than the average man.

To whit;

Sub zero quenching has SOME usefulness for SOME tool steels. It

refines the grain structure more than you can get at room temp.

HOWEVER, the sub zero quench is just PART of the process.

The steel is first heated to critical temp (around 1600 to 1700 deg F)

to get the grain structure to change from ( I think I remember

correctly ) pearlite to martinsite. The higher you heat the metal after

the change, the larger the grain crystals grow, thus you take the metal

to a specific tempature that has been determined before hand by testing

labs. You then quench the

metal to room temp in oil or water (depending on the steel alloy) and

from THIS POINT, you then continue the quench to sub-zero.

To temper the metal, you need to reach the tempering heat ranges of 350

to 600 (depending on alloy) then quench again to room temp.

So with the above said, the process of starting at room temp then

cooling to -320F will not have the effect that it would have if you

started at the critical temp. Then to "temper" at 350F is just

touching the tempering range. Further, the tempature of anything

just

starting to glow red (heaters in the tube anyone?) is about 1000F and a

bright red but below orange heat is about 1600F. So what happened to

the "temper?" Granted it is only the heaters that get

this hot but the rest of the elements of the tube do get pretty

darn hot also.

Will this affect the sound of the tube??????? I think it is pretty much "hog wash" myself.

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Scotto527,

Sent you an email.

Dee,

I agree they look interesting but after checking the going rated it

seems too much $$$. I could probably get some really sweat Sylvanias or

RCAs for the same price.

It sounds cool gotta give it to them on the marketing front. I mean

Cryovalve Cryogenically Frozen Vacuum Tubes sounds like something from

a movie like "In Like Flint". I am suprised they don't sell cryo amps

LOL talk about $$$$. I bet after spending so much on tubes their

attention is more focused on the sound of their system rather than the

tubes making a change in the system.

Cal,

Thanks for the insite!

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Seti,

The ECC 32 works well in my 2A3 Moondogs. I bought mine at much less that $200 each. Whether they are worth the dollars is strictly a personal call. Much depends on what your ears hear and what you are listening for within your system. Other than the Mullard ECC 32, I also like the Mullard ECC 33 which is the direct 6SN7 equivalent and I like the Brimar CV1988 (6SN7GT).

Klipsch out.

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I'm watching about 6 ebay auctions on Sylvania 6SN7W and some VT-231's.

The nomenclature they use for tubes is very confusing to me even if you

settle on the brand you have Sylvania VT-231, 6SN7W, 6SN7WGT,

6SN7WGTA, 6SN7GTA, 6SN7GTB, 6SN7GT and I am sure I left out a few.

Is there a tube bible out there that helps distinguish between them?

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