Dflip Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 The top winds at the moment are projected in the 115 mph range, Category 3, by Wednesday when he hits Mexico/Belize. TROPICAL STORM FELIX DISCUSSION NUMBER 4NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL0620071100 AM EDT SAT SEP 01 2007RADAR IMAGES FROM MARTINIQUE INDICATED THE CENTER PASSED VERY NEARGRENADA OVERNIGHT...WITH THE ISLAND OBSERVING 1005 MB BEFORE THEWEATHER STATION STOPPED REPORTING. SINCE THAT TIME...SATELLITE ANDRADAR DATA INDICATE THAT FELIX IS FORMING A SMALL INNER CORE WITHTIGHTLY-WOUND BANDS AROUND THE CENTER. IN FACT...AN AIR FORCE PLANEJUST MADE IT TO THE CENTER AND REPORTED FLIGHT LEVEL WINDS OF 69KT...CORRESPONDING TO ABOUT 55 KT AT THE SURFACE...AND 55 KT WILLBE USED AS THE INITIAL INTENSITY.ALL ATMOSPHERIC AND OCEANIC PARAMETERS SUPPORT A CONTINUEDSTRENGTHENING OF THE STORM. WITH SUCH A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT...ITIS LIKELY THAT FELIX WILL BECOME A POWERFUL HURRICANE BY THE TIMEIT REACHES THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA. THE GFDL/HWRF ONLYSLOWLY INTENSIFY THE SYSTEM...BUT THE SHIPS/LGEM MODELS SUGGESTTHIS STORM COULD BE A MAJOR HURRICANE IN ABOUT 3 DAYS. THE NHCINTENSITY FORECAST GOES WITH THE LATTER SCENARIO AND IS JUST ALITTLE LOWER THAN THE STATISTICAL MODELS FOR THIS FORECAST PACKAGE.FELIX HAS BEEN MOVING BASICALLY TO WEST FOR THE PAST 6-12 HOURS ANDMY INITIAL MOTION ESTIMATE IS 270/16. A STRONG RIDGE IS FORECASTTO STEER THE STORM A LITTLE NORTH OF DUE WESTWARD FOR THE NEXT FEWDAYS. TRACK GUIDANCE IS IN GOOD AGREEMENT ON THIS SCENARIO. BEYOND3 DAYS...THERE IS A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH RIDGING WILL BE PRESENT INTHE GULF OF MEXICO. A FEW MODELS HAVE ENOUGH OF A WEAKNESS IN THERIDGE TO FORCE A WEST-NORTHWEST OR NORTHWEST MOTION NEAR THE END OFTHE PERIOD. HOWEVER...THE RELIABLE GFS/ECMWF ARE KEEPING A STRONGRIDGE. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST IS A LITTLE SOUTH OF THEPREVIOUS ONE DUE TO THE WESTWARD MOTION EARLY ON...BUT THENIS VERY CLOSE TO THE PREVIOUS FORECAST BY THE END OF THE PERIOD.FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDSINITIAL 01/1500Z 12.3N 63.6W 55 KT12HR VT 02/0000Z 12.8N 66.1W 60 KT24HR VT 02/1200Z 13.4N 69.4W 65 KT36HR VT 03/0000Z 14.1N 72.9W 70 KT48HR VT 03/1200Z 14.8N 76.2W 80 KT72HR VT 04/1200Z 16.0N 82.0W 90 KT96HR VT 05/1200Z 17.0N 87.0W 100 KT120HR VT 06/1200Z 18.5N 91.5W 55 KT...INLAND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted September 1, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 1, 2007 Thanks for the update Dflip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 1, 2007 Author Share Posted September 1, 2007 Thanks for the update Dflip. Thanks everyone for helping me out... I'm tied up until at least 5:00 PM: An idiot crashed his airplane in the Lake Okeechobee and I've been on the phone with the Coast Guard (nav hazards); FWC (fish police); victim (who's believe it or not, uninjured...); and everyone with any interest in the whole affair, then out on the boat; underwater to make sure that the pilot did not lie and leave dead bodies inside the cabin.... and trying to figure out who to help me dive and salvage it (easy day, but takes two divers to work the lift bags); and.... I just got home and the A/C compressor is fried..... temps almost 100 inside the house and, and..... Felix is fortunately far enough away at the moment and not calculated by any model to pose much of a threat, so I'll see ya'll later tonight. Gotta shut down, too hot to run the computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted September 1, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 1, 2007 The Only Easy Day was Yesterday... Well now Groomy, seems like that sig line is most appropriate today! Hope things start looking up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted September 1, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 1, 2007 Latest: FELIX HAS RESUMED A MOTION OF 280/16 AFTER A BRIEF WESTWARD JOG THISMORNING. A PERSISTENT RIDGE TO THE NORTH OF THE STORM SHOULD STEERFELIX ON A WEST OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD TRACK FOR THE NEXT COUPLEOF DAYS. THEREAFTER...THE FORECAST HINGES ON HOW STRONG THE RIDGEREMAINS OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO. THE UKMET/NOGAPS/GFDL/HWRF ALLOWSA HIGH OVER THE CENTRAL GULF COAST TO SHIFT EASTWARD NEAR FLORIDAAND CAUSES A MORE NORTHWESTWARD TRACK OF FELIX IN ABOUT 5 DAYS. HOWEVER...THE GFS/ECMWF KEEP THE RIDGE IN PLACE AND MAINTAIN FELIXON A WEST OR WEST-NORTHWESTWARD MOTION. IN GENERAL THE GUIDANCEHAS SHIFTED A LITTLE FARTHER NORTH FROM SIX HOURS AGO...AND THEOFFICIAL FORECAST IS NUDGED IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. Okay, Groomy break it down for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 1, 2007 Author Share Posted September 1, 2007 Well.... The "big boys" are arguing, but, my money's on the UKMET track for the moment. Look carefully, however, at the GFDL which is considered the most accurate (lately...) for anything past 36 hours. Military is banking on the southern tracks, but they will probably change their minds tomorrow. Biggest problem is that it's Labor Day weekend, nothing directly threatening the US, so many analytical assets (read that as people...) are off drinking beer, playing in the surf and generally not worried. See below: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 1, 2007 Author Share Posted September 1, 2007 MILTRACK: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted September 1, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 1, 2007 Hey Groomy, If that high retreats to near FL, couldn't Felix take a northeastward track, once it passes over the Yucatan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dflip Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 Still too far out to provide an accurate assessment once it crosses the Yucatan. At the moment, it looks like Mexico south of the Texas border. Could it still move a bit more northerly, yes, but it doesn't look like a major problem. System 1 behind it is more interesting for the US. It has a more northerly track which could yield a hurricane with further development that will hit the US. That one will be Gabrielle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dflip Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 1. AN AREA OF LOW PRESSURE...ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE...ISLOCATED ABOUT MIDWAY BETWEEN AFRICA AND THE LESSER ANTILLES. THISSYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO MOVE WESTWARD NEAR 10 MPH FOR THE NEXT DAY ORSO. THE ASSOCIATED SHOWER ACTIVITY IS LIMITED AND UPPER-LEVELWINDS ARE UNFAVORABLE FOR SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER...THE CIRCULATION IS WELL-DEFINED AND THERE IS STILL SOMEPOTENTIAL FOR THIS SYSTEM TO BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION DURINGTHE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. Felix is a category 2 hurricane with winds of 105 mph which are expected to increase. Forecasts now say it could reach category 4, 140 mph before it hits Yucatan/Belize. It should be a major hurricane later today or tomorrow. Interesting how these things can change in a little over twelve hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted September 2, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 2, 2007 Dflip, Intensity forecasting is still a major concern for the NHC, as is forecasting direction past 72 hours. Thanks for the update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 HERE'S THE LATEST SUPER MODELS (AS IN HURRICANE TRACK PATHS....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 dtel's wife: The track will depend on the pressure system, but they are not confident yet that it will move away fast enough. My take is that it will track higher than Dean, but hopefully not as far north as Brownsville, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted September 2, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 2, 2007 Looks like they are all in agreement with one or two exceptions! That's good news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 HERE'S THE MILITARY THOUGHTS: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted September 2, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 2, 2007 I was thinking the same thing. It's still pretty far out as far as forecasting reliability, so we will just have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groomlakearea51 Posted September 2, 2007 Author Share Posted September 2, 2007 IT'S NOW A CAT-3 AS OF A FEW MINUTES AGO THE NHC DISCUSSION REF FELIX IS WORTH LOOKING AT: THE INITIAL MOTION IS JUST A SMIDGEN TO THE RIGHT OF PREVIOUS ESTIMATES... AROUND 285/16. THERE IS NO IMPORTANT CHANGE TO THE TRACK FORECAST REASONING FOR THE NEXT 2-3 DAYS. GLOBAL MODEL PREDICTIONS SHOW A DEEP LAYER RIDGE PERSISTING TO THE NORTH OF FELIX...WHICH SHOULD PREVENT A SIGNIFICANT NORTHWARD SHIFT OF THE HURRICANE'S TRACK OVER THE CARIBBEAN. THERE IS MORE UNCERTAINTY IN THE 4 AND 5 DAY FORECAST LOCATIONS. THE GFS SHOWS A 500 MB TROUGH OVER THE CENTRAL U.S. IN ABOUT 5 DAYS. THIS FEATURE COULD ERODE THE HIGH OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO AND RESULT IN A MORE NORTHWARD TRACK NEAR THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD. NOW A MAJOR HURRICANE. FELIX IS CENTERED NEAR 13.4N 71.2W OR ABOUT 425 NM SE OF KINGSTON JAMAICA AT 02/1800 UTC...MOVING WEST-NORTHWEST AT 16 KT. THE HURRICANE HUNTER PLANE REPORTED THAT THE MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE HAS FALLEN TO 964 MB. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE 110 KT WITH GUSTS TO 135 KT. FELIX CONTINUES ON A WNW PATH STEERED BY A STRONG DEEP-LAYER RIDGE OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC. SATELLITE IMAGERY AND RADAR DATA FROM CURACAO SHOWS A WELL DEFINED EYE...EYEWALL AND RAINBANDS. IN ADDITION...FELIX HAS GAINED SYMMETRY TO ITS CLOUD PATTERN AND CONVECTION. NUMEROUS MODERATE TO STRONG CONVECTION IS WITHIN 75 NM OF THE CENTER. SCATTERED MODERATE TO STRONG EXISTS ELSEWHERE WITHIN 270 NM N...NEARING THE S SHORE OF HISPANIOLA...AND WITHIN 150 NM S OVER NRN VENEZUELA AND COLOMBIA. THE "OTHER" SYSTEM:A 1009 MB LOW PRES SYSTEM...ASSOCIATED WITH A TROPICAL WAVE...IS CENTERED NEAR 12N39W MOVING W 10 KT. WHILE THE LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION IS WELL DEFINED ON SATELLITE IMAGES AND IN AN EARLIER QSCAT PASS CONVECTION REMAINS DISPLACED TO THE W OF THE CENTER...STRONGLY SHEARED BY UPPER E/SELY FLOW ON THE SW PERIPHERY OF A STRONG UPPER HIGH. THE CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY STRETCHES FAIRLY FAR TO THE NW OF THE LOW FROM 11N-16N BETWEEN 41W-47W...ENHANCED BY SPEED CONVERGENCE. THERE IS SOME POTENTIAL FOR THIS SYSTEM TO BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS AS IT MOVES INTO A LESS HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel's wife Posted September 2, 2007 Moderators Share Posted September 2, 2007 "THE GFS SHOWS A 500 MB TROUGH OVER THE CENTRAL U.S. IN ABOUT 5 DAYS. THIS FEATURE COULD ERODE THE HIGH OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO AND RESULT IN A MORE NORTHWARD TRACK NEAR THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD" That's the kind of stuff I don't like to hear![] More northwestward would be much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dflip Posted September 2, 2007 Share Posted September 2, 2007 Felix has picked up speed, it is now at 165 mph. The good news is that it is a small hurricane which will affect a much smaller area than Dean. The other good news is that it is moving faster, 21 mph, so it won't sit over any area for that long a time period. The bad news is, you don't want to be right of the eyewall. This one really picked up speed. Thank goodness this is projected to stay south of the US, at least at the moment. AT 1100 PM EDT...0300Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE FELIX WAS LOCATEDNEAR LATITUDE 13.9 NORTH...LONGITUDE 73.9 WEST OR ABOUT 345 MILES...550 KM...SOUTHEAST OF KINGSTON JAMAICA AND ABOUT 625 MILES...1010 KM...EAST OF CABO GRACIAS A DIOS ON THE NICARAGUA/HONDURAS BORDER.FELIX IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 21 MPH...33 KM/HR. A MOTIONBETWEEN WEST AND WEST-NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS.MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 165 MPH...270 KM/HR...WITH HIGHERGUSTS. FELIX IS A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR-SIMPSONSCALE. FLUCTUATIONS IN INTENSITY ARE COMMON IN MAJOR HURRICANES ANDARE POSSIBLE OVER THE NEXT DAY OR TWO...HOWEVER FELIX IS EXPECTEDTO RETAIN CATEGORY FOUR OR FIVE STATUS DURING THIS PERIOD.ALTHOUGH FELIX IS AN EXTREMELY POWERFUL HURRICANE IT HAS A VERYSMALL WIND FIELD. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 25MILES...35 KM...FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDSEXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 115 MILES...185 KM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dflip Posted September 3, 2007 Share Posted September 3, 2007 Felix is now taken a slight turn to the south and it expected to hit Honduras, then Belize and Mexico in the Yeracurz area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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