RoboKlipsch

Please no politics at Klipsch. Canada has always had a cost disparity and the reasons are irrelevant and existed long before the health care change.

They are 80in tall x 40 wide... his room is 18 x 14 x 7ish! They would barely fit and the tweeter would point 3 feet above ear level....would bounce off ceiling in a bad way. Im all for him getting a great rig but without testing it driving 7hrs.....no way imo! Hes also not in USA thats a long drive for you to get them ☺

It may be that the Rep assumed the reason you would change is for more output. I would NOT upgrade from 250 to 440..maybe its 4 drivers but they are smaller. I would only upgrade to 450c if i did upgrade.

I think JBL would be much easier to resell. I love klipsch and have heard large horns and think they would be amazing but you are stuck w them for a long time. With that said i do love pro audio

Over 30 years of concerts it rarily occured to me how important rhe setup was. Occasionally a horrible setup happened and you knew it. It seems kind of sad that artists dont know or care how their teams reproduce their sound. What is more important than a good live sound? (Money as always)

This setup is good as is. You can upgrade to other reference models but theres no need unless you feel you are missing something. With that said you could upgrade it and it would sound very good. Dont change until and unless you want something different.

You cant max it out without more power but 10 watts is enough! Youre fine do not change it for this purpose.

Assuming your AVR has autcorrection to set the levels -- or you can do it yourself, it won't matter that it's close to a corner. What may matter if that is a model of your room is that the left side has a wall and the right does not. I have experience with this kind of setup. It may be difficult to get a very balanced sound left to right in that situation. If this is indeed your setup, some sound absorption on the left wall will help with that issue. The issue would be that the sound reflections coming off the left wall will be strong, and alter the sound, while the right side will have fewer or weaker reflections. Sound absorption can balance this issue out nicely if needed.

Placement in this situation is more important than the specific speaker chosen. If placed properly you won't mind either speaker. Placed sub optimally any speaker can be an issue. Ideally the surround speakers are side surrounds, located close to horizontal to your ears on the couch. Ideally again I would say just slightly behind, and a foot or two above allows for the best surround (height helps to hit all seats). Put the side surrounds to the side of the couch and either speaker will work great. Where you are proposing to put them is similar to where back surrounds would go (a bit closer together, but almost spot on). Will it work? Sure it will and probably sound good. But if you test it yourself, you'll hear the big difference in small changes in placement in given room. I really don't think the selection of speaker as a monopole or bipole is critical here. I like the bipoles better but have both in different theaters, they both sound great.

Giving you the real deal here, if the couch is on the back wall surround sound in general is very difficult to get to sound "great". If you can move that forward a bit you open the door to both 5.1 and 7.1 Do not think of the walls as your only choices, you can use stands for either set also. IMO the ideal surrounds are roughly 1-2 feet above your head. You've come this far, and I understand the WAF factor but try moving that couch forward and seeing if it will be acceptable to her. If so, the advice above from Youthman is very good. I would also recommend RS52s for side surrounds and RB51s for back (they are smaller than 62s). In fact, in both cases you can go RS42s and RB41s if need be. They are much smaller if that helps with appearance. They will do the job just fine, I like the 5-series a bit better but you're golden either way. If difficult to find RS42s or RS52s, no reason you can use another set of RB51s or RB41s for side surrounds. But I will share that I love the RS series, the bipolar surrounds are Klipsch at their best imo. More impressive even than the RF7s.

I'm very curious about how Klipsch became involved in commercial theater audio. Did he start with a local theater and work with them to enhance their sound with his products as a first "demo" case, or were the products already appreciated and sought after by the industry? It is surprising to me to learn that high end audio in theaters is a relatively new thing, as someone who grew up in the 70s and 80s to me it always was "there." Can you share some on how Paul and his team got themselves into this industry and became such big players? When audio expanded into surround sound, was Paul and his team on the forefront or did it take a while to appreciate the concepts of surround sound? Thank you in advance! Roboklipsch

Follow your ears and pick anything between 60 and 120.

If there was a best avr we could reco we would but thats why theres choices. None are unquestionably best...and its related to the fact that even a perfectly neutral "sound" would not appeal to all.

I recently....as in this week....added external amplification to my front channels. Its a very worthwhile investment that improves the attack and clarity of each individual voice or instrument. Dont hesitate if u hate it sell it!

Room treatment fixes so much few really understand! Lowering and balancing decay times and ringing is everything in playback. A speaker...any speaker or component cannot replicate the benefit of adding absorption. Few understand the scary booms and peaks are not desirable and are in fact limitations of their room not having too big a speaker. So many are used to 30db peaks that shouldnt exist. Friends come watch at high volume and realize they can have a very different experience. Keep going!

This setup imo is right for a RP250C or similar. A wider center works better with a narrower deeper room (imo) or in a very large room. It's mostly a distance and setup issue. At a close distance of 10 feet, you can tell exactly where the center is, from any seat. If the center is wide and you sit close, the center comes more from an area than from a specific point. As you move back further, to 20 or even 30 feet, that pinpoint location no longer applies, you can't tell exactly where the center of the center is from that distance. So in a long room it has higher sensitivity and where exactly is the middle of the center no longer applies as an issue really, it's coming from the center area in that situation. So how much of a difference? Not huge, not so much that you or the original poster would be upset with a 450c. But in asking, I am simply replying with what I have learned from reading, discussing, and hearing on my own the differences between them. I currently own an RP250C so I know it well, and sit at sometimes 10 feet and sometimes 20 feet depending upon where in the room I'm at. It works very well in that situation. Buying bigger and more capable usually does not come with a downside -- except cost and space. There is a difference in design here, and it becomes more relevant the closer you sit.

You'll be very happy imo! Good luck and enjoy

Take the ones that don't seem to work and play them through the channels where you already tested ones that are working. that will test to see if it is the speaker or some issue with your setup. If they don't work on those speakers, then you have bad speakers. If they do work, then there is likely a setup issue with a couple of your channels. The semi-ok news is that they are not very expensive so if you've got a few bad ones, look around for a few to replace them. I think I have seen the setups sold used sometimes for $100. You can always try and contact the seller to let him know that upon bringing them home a couple don't appear to be working. CL can be good or bad, depends upon the seller of course.

I wasn't sure if the original question was answered, but the reason your sub is not impressing you is that the gain is not set properly. Whether you send the RF7s to the sub or not, the sub still has to be set to a gain level that the sub output matches the systems output. So in your case, with no measurement equipment, you can use your ear to raise the gain a bit at a time until it sounds "right" to you. Without buying a meter, you can use your phone, download an SPL app, and even though it won't be super accurate -- it will likely measure different signals in the same room quite well. So who really cares if it knows what 70db is, as long as the sub can be set to 70db and then the fronts and others? Make sense? The placement and crossover issues are very important too for overall sound, but reading your original issue it sounds like the gain has been set too low for your current room setup. You will know it is too much when it becomes boomy and overtakes the rest of the range...you already know what too low sounds like (thin, weak, wimpy, not like a R115SW is easily capable of sounding) Only in the largest rooms with a single sub would you not be able to get the gain high enough to blast you out of the room

6 is really not a problem at all, many speakers rated at 8 are 6ish. It's when you use a 4ohm speaker that some AVRs shut down.

First of all welcome, and congratulations on you purchase. It's rare that someone gets it right the first time but that combination you bought is a sweet setup, one that doesn't come with regrets. Pause before you return the 160ms as they are fantastic. As a music guy don't throw those back for surrounds just yet. The surrounds are fantastic, especially for theater, but man those 160s are imo one of the better sounding Klipsch period. Your Denon choice is a great one imo. We've had a few back and forth discussions about AVRs and usually in this forum people are using Yamaha, Marantz or Denon. Klipsch are very sensitive and don't need a lot of power, but do well with a lot of power if pushed that far. How far you might expand your system should influence the receiver you buy, but really it comes down to preference. If you really don't know what to buy I must say the entire Denon and Yamaha lines are terrific. If you purchase one of the mid or upper models from the mfgs, they often come with an advanced autocorrection that helps EQ the sound to your room. Some love it and some don't, I find it to be a really nice option. Used imo is a great way to buy audio equipment. I've had pretty good luck with it. Don't be afraid to get something used to save $$$ especially your first few laps around the hi-fi track.

very long large room would benefit as the sensitivity is higher and center position is well set anyway. In a smaller room the tighter design will better anchor where the center is imo. In a far left right seat the smaller center position will be better imo. I.e. sound is pinpointed to the middle better in your situation.

My room is 30 feet deep the rp250c does great. Ibdont think you need it. I would get the 250 or 450. Multiple smaller drivers is not better. The key is having a woofer on each side....how many does not much matter. If you had a massive room the 450c might be of benefit imo but wont do much in your situation. All that will happen is the 450c would be calibrated down to match your rp160ms sensitivity.

air leaks can sound like many things. if gently pushing driver in does not squeak its prob a leak

whats your sub situation?