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---------------- On 10/18/2004 9:47:32 PM tommy499 wrote: What is a fair price for a Pair of Chorus II in average condition. Black, built in 1990. Thanks for your input. Tom ---------------- Just be glad you're not in Korea! I paid $1K for mine and was glad to! First pair I'd seen on the market in 8 years!

---------------- On 10/17/2004 9:50:53 PM scotbuck wrote: Greetings, I've tried three amps with my kg-4's with the following results: *** Audio Note OTO SE: This single-ended tube amp is the best amp I've ever used - with the right speakers. Sadly, with the kg-4's I found it to be somewhat strained. (I'll be saving this amp for some 100-or-more dB efficient Klipsch speakers later on...) *** Harmon Kardon 430: In the "bang-for-the-buck" department I think this receiver is hard to beat; however, I still found its 25 watts to be lacking the "oompf" to really take control. (I've since given this receiver to my buddy for his nephew's bedroom - I suspect it'll be perfect there...) *** Marantz PM-74D: I thought this amp was the best of the three for these speakers; it drives the kg-4's with authority - even at low listening levels. Also, I find that its somewhat "mid-bass"-heavy sound balances well with the kg-4's voice, which to my ears is more extended on the bottom end but is slightly lean in the mid-bass region. Also, being part of Marantz's "Quarter-A" series, it runs the first 25% of its output in Class-A mode, which seems to reduce the graininess that I've heard in a lot of SS amps. (Remember - I'm still a frothing-at-the-mouth toob freak! ) Hope this helps ... enjoy! Take care, Scott ---------------- I agree with scotbuck concerning Marantz. For the first year and a half with my KG4's I drove them with a Marantz 2220b (about $100). It drove the kg's well and sounded even better after I massaged its capacitors, yet you could tell it was a little strained. Later, I acquired a Marantz 2385 ($280) and it really asserted "authority". Yet the sound is still warm and clean, a trademark of the '70's era Marantz line. IMHO, something between a 2238 and a 2325 is a good bang for buck match for the KG-4.

Don, we are in awe of you! Thanks for sharing your work with us!

---------------- On 10/15/2004 10:22:22 AM probillygun wrote: ummmmmm I was just considering Solid State designs. Some people have told me my Adcom is a little bright for my Klipschs. and to try an old Yamaha... Soooo, what solid state amp is "Soft" for my speakers? I guess is what I'm asking. ---------------- I'm "test-driving" a Yamaha RX-V2400 (digital) right now on my system and it is not "bright". Neither is it an old Yammie, being current production. Not sure I'm in love with it yet, but I haven't put it through my entire music library. It is very capable, though, and for not a lot of money! Someone once said the worst thing about SS Amps is the capacitors used in them. A couple of years ago I upgraded a whole bunch of capacitors in my Marantz 2220b receiver that didn't sound quite right and the improvement was dramatic, and not just to me. For instance, since modern film caps are quite small now, you can swap out a lot of 1-10uf electrolytics for film. If you're willing and able, a carefully considered and executed capacitor upgrade to your Adcom might rid it of it's harshness. If there is an Adcom forum, someone has probably already tried it. The old Marantz receivers are smooth with Klipsch as-is. There is also a near cult following here on the forum for the old Harmon-Kardon twin power receivers. Neither of the above solutions should break the bank.

Dean, Maybe crossover upgrade kits ain't such a crazy idea! Boards that fit in each respective Klipsch model would be a pain in the neck, considering the low production volume involved. Not a completely insurmountable, problem, though. A kit with the right board, caps, inductors, etc. might just be easier than doing it yourself....

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There's nothing obsolete about the KG4! It's sheer rockin' power for it's size always get people asking "where can I get a pair?". Leaves most of the new stuff in the dust.

The stuff of dreams!

---------------- On 10/5/2004 5:14:21 PM jhawk92 wrote: C- While I don't have KG4s, I have a number of similar speakers; Chorus II, Forte II, etc. Yes, they are very efficient speakers, so 85WPC will be enough to drive them to pretty loud levels. Now whether those levels are loud enough for you, that's up to you to decide. If you want THX reference level, (forget the specific dB levels), then 85 watts won't be enough. It all depends on what your room size is and what you want your system to do. Certainly a receiver will drive the speakers well. If you are willing to spend some extra money, then separates (preamp/amp) are a good way to go, and you can get some added sonic benefits that way. Initially, I used my Denon AVR-4800 to drive my HT, but now I use is as the pre/pro and have separate Denon amps to drive the speakers. I really enjoy the Klipsch/Denon combo, though some people prefer other brands. Making the switch from "receiver" to "separates" did make a difference to me, in terms of overall cleaner sound. There are a number of other KG4 owners here, so I'll leave it to them to recommend specific gear. But if you want to stay in the receivers, Denon, Yamaha, Marantz, Harmon Kardon, etc are good. Separates can go from lower end (cost-wise) like Outlaw, to mid-level like Sherborne, B&K, Rotel, to higher end like Anthem, Aragon, Krell, Theta, etc. There are lots of other options, it all depends how much you want to spend. ---------------- From another KG4 owner, ditto the above. I used to drive mine with a Marantz 2220b (20wpc) and they had sufficient power, but not a lot of reserve. They really roared with my Marantz 2385 (185wpc). They are a good match with Marantz. Then I got my ChorusII's and my KG4's just sat around. Looking to buy a Yamaha HT receiver and hook up my KG4s as the rear channel.

---------------- On 10/2/2004 1:40:46 PM mike stehr wrote: I just used the Housecall online scan you pointed out. I thought I was gonna get lucky, but.... TROJ ACHUM.A non-cleanable C:WINDOWSMSMGT.EXE It won't clean or delete because it's in use. This PC has had serious problems with physical memory dumps,(blue error screens indicating physical memory dumps). Then it restarts, or it will just sit there with no signal to the monitor at all. You'll be browsing or doing something and "Blink!" Replaced the mother-board and replaced and upgraded the memory card. But all in all, the hardware replacement probably wasn't the problem. Is this a kill and re-boot problem? I hate Peecee's....... ---------------- My guess is the trick is to access the file without running anything from the folder it's lodged in. Check my earlier post, what I suggested might work for you. This is very similar to what happened to me, the bad file took up lodging in Windows system files and couldn't be accessed while Windows was running. By booting into a Linux demo CD-ROM, I kept Windows asleep. Found the nasty file using the Linux file manager and deleted it. Clean PC.

---------------- On 10/1/2004 8:26:24 PM RC wrote: Sarge, I'm really enjoying mine. I was able to get a price match for AAFES from my local store so I didn't have to wait. If they really want your business they will do it. I think it's one of, if not the best bang for the buck out there. Happy shoping... ---------------- The 2400 is an AAFES bestseller, online dept was sold out last week. That's why I'm thinking the Yamaha must have something going for it. Also, according to the Yamaha website, there is a 2500 coming out in October. 10 more wpc, basically. Might bring the 2400's price down a couple bucks, not worried about it, though. Thanks to everyone for your input!

Thanks J4! You've got enough invested in your speakers to not skimp on the amplification, for sure!

Would like to hear from the Yammie owners, especially those driving Heritage. Am considering the purchase of a Yamaha RX-V2400. Why? Several reasons, mostly circumstantial: 1. My recent cross-Korea move has taught me I've got too much gear! I've got nearly a room full of audio equipment lying around. Worse yet, my current job situation is not leaving me a lot of time to work any of it. I need to simplify and sell some of it off. My ChorusII's and KG4's stay, of course! 2. Opinions posted here and elsewhere indicate that Digital amplification is maturing rapidly with sound quality easily surpassing conventional SS. Fortunately, If I purchase a digital Yammie from AAFES, I'll be able to audition it for a while to see if it lives up to its reputation. 3. Power issues. Korean apartments are wired for 220/240 and generally not a lot of it! Am concerned about overload and high electric bills. Digital amps are generally the most power efficient. The Denon and Panasonic models sold by AAFES run on 120, necessitating a transformer. 4. Denon's out because of voltage issues. Marantz is out because the BX doesn't sell them, no recourse through AAFES and I don't like to deal with Koreans! Aaarrrgghhh! 5. The RX-V2400 boasts a b***load of features at a reasonable $799! But does it sound good with Heritage? So how do you guys/gals with Yamaha's like them? What did you have to do to make them work together with your Klipsch?

Know this isn't the easiest approach, but it worked for me (at least twice). My PC picked up two nasty worms from the Web that couldn't get rid of since they took up lodging in the NT/System32 area. Symantec at least alerted me to the files and their location, which I wrote down. Got out my "Lindows demo" CD-ROM and booted the PC up in Lindows (Linux). In this mode, the PC was running from the CD, not from the Hard Drive BUT I could access the Hard Drives in Linux and was able to hunt the worms down and delete them. The hardest part was identifying the HDD's and folders, Unix uses different hierarchies and location names. A Linux "live eval" or "demo" CD/DVD should not install anything to your hard drive; it's running off of system RAM and the CD. When I returned to Windows, the worms and the warnings were gone. Not sure where you'll be able to download a Lindows demo iso, but there are are other Linux distributions that offer demo/live eval versions such as SUSE. http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/ftp/live_eval_int.html The upshot of it was that my PC was running faster and better from the uninstalled Lindows demo than from the installed Win 2K! Bill Gates was probably hoping I didn't notice that! Hopefully it won't come to this for you, but I've also (usually) been able to format Windows disks from Linux CD's.

Thanks Mike! Are you interested in selling the parts you built your ChorusII crossovers with? PM me if so. I'm not too keen on using that a big Solen in the LF circuit either, even though a similar approach worked out okay for my KG4's. I scrounged some 6uf Aerovox PIO's (anyway) and might use these in parallel with some film caps to get the 68uf value. Probably going to end up putting the woofer stuff on a separate board if I go that route. Was half expecting to see the dialogue between Al and Leo erupt. Part of what makes the forum fun!

---------------- On 9/27/2004 7:51:48 AM fini wrote: I've tried bikes several times over the years. The major problems are: butt pain (what's a good seat?), back pain (degenerated discs), and hand problems (numbness). Solutions? I have a Trek 930 hybrid, and also some road bike (with the curled-down handlebars). ---------------- Solution: A recumbent! Like my Vision. No butt, back or hand pain. Conventional bikes load these areas.

I love bicycles, but I've been out of the saddle a couple of years now. Cycling is great for your overall fitness, but do get that knee looked at; biking probably won't help it. There are some striking similarities between the road bicycle world and the audio world. 1. Some of the old solutions are still the better/best solutions. Klipschorns, vinyl and SETs versus double butted Italian or English frames, Reynolds 501 alloy, Campagnolo gruppos, Brooks saddles, etc. 2. Opinionated people are easy to find. Audio-wise, just follow a few threads in this forum! Bike-wise, once a roadie finds a frame he likes, that's pretty much it! My riding partners in Germany back in 1984 loved their Ciocc and Guercotti rides and couldn't shut up about them. Weren't going to talk me out of my Raleigh, though! Some roadies can be real snobs, too! 3. You don't necessarily have to spend a fortune to get really good stuff. You just have to buy smart! As in the audio world, do your homework. Consider a used road bike. Yard Sales, pawn shops, bike shops are a starting point. Test ride some and see what frame size works for you. My guess is a 21" frame could be right for you at 5'8", but you'll find what fits. I ride a 23" frame. The tube between the headset and seat should not touch your crotch while your feet are flat on the ground. Subtle differences in frame angles and geometry add up to big differences in handling, turning, comfort, stability, etc. Try to ride a lot of different bikes and find the one that gives you the most satisfaction on every point. I hated Peugeot's from the first pedal stroke. Likewise, I had never ridden a Raleigh until I was 33 years old; but one test ride on a dealers bike around San Antonio hooked me! Much as I can spot a Klipsch in a room full of speakers, I can instantly spot the distinctive Raleigh frame geometry in a crowd of bikes. Strange but true. Point is, you'll find the bike that feels like it was "made" for you, and that is probably what you'll stick with forever. A road bike is an extension of your feet, so it becomes a very personalized object! My current (and probably last) Raleigh was a $45 yard sale score. One Phoenix summer day in 1995 my eyes locked on to it from half a block away. Stopped the car, lifted it up, felt it was light and knew it had a lot of double butted tubes. Checked the headset badge: "Nottingham", a "true" Raleigh! Raced to the ATM for the $45, bought the bike and the saga began. Won't bore you with the details, but a few hundred dollars later, the bike became very personalized. Sounds something like audio, doesn't it! I like double-butted alloy steel frames. Titanium is brittle and harsh, even though is light. Steel has a springing action that gives and forgives and can help ease the fatigue of a long ride. I also own a Vision R-40 Recumbent. Very comfortable for a geezer (age 54) like me! Visions can be had very reasonably on Ebay ever since the company went out of business earlier this year. Here in Korea, it's just too freaking dangerous to ride. The average Korean driver is an arrogant idiot and the roads are full of broken glass, trash, potholes, Koreans and other hazards. You can spend a whole trip here fixing flats and recovering from near-misses.

Whichever Fisher you decide on, Fisherdoc is worth checking out. Though he doesn't have a lot of specific information about various Fisher models on his page, Al Pugliese knows Fisher. Bought one of his Resto-Paks for my 400 and they are exactly as he represents them, top quality! He includes a photocopied service manual with each Resto-Pak. The Resto-Pak instructions are very thorough and well thought out, and the restoration tips are absolutely worth having. http://fisherdoctor.com/index.html Only wish I could finish up the resto on the 400 I blew up. Know it will sound sweet with my Chorus! Maybe after I come off of working 84 hour weeks....

I'm wondering how I could fit these in my VW Golf

Thanks to everyone for their input! Have been away from the forum because of a no-notice move; thus my thread "Hey dude, where's my Chorus?" Dean, "You say you are concerned about the new parts changing the "voicing -- yet you stated you upgraded your KG4s with good results. What's the difference?" The voicing I'm referring to would be a change in SPL after a switch in components. I suspect the problem didn't arise in my KG4's because the circuit is much simpler, no squacker involved. " -- you are going to have to ditch the PCBs, and rebuild the crossovers on separate boards using point-to-point wiring. " Have come to the same conclusion. If I do upgrade the Woofer portion of the crossover, I'll give it a separate board and mount it on the floor of the box. No way to get a respectable inductor, much less 68uf worth of film cap on the PCB. ..and I'll buy lots of yellow tape so all my new caps sound like Hovlands

My 2 cents: with Klipsch, in general when you pay more, you get more. KG4 Forte Chorus (these really like a big room!) Heresy An old Marantz receiver 2238 - 2285 should drive any older Klipsch you're looking at nicely with low maintenance. Don't pay too much for one! Check prices against ebay.

"Toxic" by Britney Spears sounds like someone dragging their fingernails across a chalkboard!

I like my JVC DVD player. Good sound and not a lot of bucks.

Beautiful!

---------------- On 9/11/2004 9:52:33 AM colterphoto1 wrote: I lightened the photo in Photoshop (sorry I don't know how to post pix yet) and the base is definitely the exact same size as the cabinet, like a Chorus. My earlier quartet guess was off, I misread the 'woofer' spec. Go steal em, whatever they are, the guy doesn't know his woofer from a sqwaker! (who else used that crazy term for mid horn/driver except Klipsch lovers?!?!?) DEFINITELY NOT NOT NOT a photo of Cornwalls, dimensions and base are all wrong. ---------------- I agree, they look exactly like the ChorusII's sitting in my living room!