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That too. I forgot about that. But most of those old large bass amps to go with the electric bass guitar were not fun to haul around either. Speaking of Hofner, I never owned one - until recently.

And back to Leo Fender creating the (fretted) Precision Bass so that guitarists could get more work by doubling on bass........................ Personally, I think, for the most part. Guitar players are guitar players. And bass players are bass players. What does that mean? The way I see it, while guitar players certainly can play "bass", they approach the music, the bass line, much differently than a "bass player". They tend to focus on the root note of the chord, and quite frankly, don't seem to have the same "feel" with the drummer. Their approach to the almighty groove is very different. Of course there are exceptions. But those are exceptional multi-talented musicians (of which I am not one). However, ironically, I think it's extremely important and beneficial for bass players to start out on guitar. You really need to know the chord structures and modes, not just scales. Or worse yet (like a lot more recent modern music) just hanging on the root note of the chord pounding away on quarter or eighth notes.

What's the big deal of a fretless bass? From my point of view, I don't have to worry about the other band members, especially guitarists, wanting to show everyone how they can play bass too. 😉 But seriously, it IS a different instrument. The notes tend to "sing" creating a much different sound quality. Players of fretless stringed instruments in general also tend to use fingered vibrato more. This helps "cover up" slight discrepancies in intonation and can add to that "singing" quality. A fretted bass tends to have a more "solid" tone and attack. There are lots of "modern" sounds that you can produce on a fretted bass because the transient attack is much more pronounced. Two handed tapping for instance, or slapping, tend to be "softer" and less explicit on a fretless bass. Players of fretless bass instruments tend to use flatwound strings which tend to have a warmer, smoother, softer sound. Flat wounds are also easier on the fingerboard. Round wound strings can be like files on the fingerboard surface, eventually requiring plaining. There's a huge difference in sound. Once you know it, the difference is easily recognizable.

As far as "fretless" bass guitar goes, there is only one name that reigns supreme - JACO PASTORIUS Everyone since him has been playing catch up. He redefined the instrument - what it can do and how it's used

And so what do you call a Fender Precision Bass that is fretless? All of the "precision" is gone. LOL

This can be done with a fretted bass as well.

I get it, Coytee posted this thread as bait for ME.

I was at a pro jam session at Harlem Avenue Lounge. A guy I know and don't particularly like was playing "lead" guitar/singing. After a couple songs he turns to me and says "You wanna sing a couple?". I said "No". He says "What's the matter? Can't you sing and play bass at the same time?". I held my bass out forward towards him and said "Here, be my guest." He stands there looking at it and then finally says "You got me there." LMAO. The local radio DJ running the jam (who I also personally know) gets up afterwards and says "Let's hear it for Art on bass. Folks, this is one of the most difficult instruments to play." I had brought my fretless Fender Jazz Bass Special to the jam. Honestly, it's not all that difficult. Just different. Practice makes perfect.

Leo Fender came up with the idea for the Fender "Precision" Bass so that guitarists could more easily play the instrument (like the guitar they were already used to). And of course, that in turn would allow Fender to sell more instruments (and even more amplifiers) (and strings). That's it 😉

Hmmmmmmmmm.................. Sort of.

Hmmmmmmmmm.............. Well, Yes. And not necessarily And, yes But that can be done in other ways on a fretted bass (or other instrument)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.......................... NOPE

Hmmmmmmmm.................... YEP!!

Hmmmm........... NOPE

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It's not the speakers. And the amp probably has little to do with it. The harshness usually results from some combination of speaker placement and orientation relative to the room boundaries/surfaces, relative to the listening location, in conjunction with the acoustical properties of the room. Also, your ears and preferences come into play. Not everybody hears everything the same, which probably one of the reasons so many different makes and types of speakers are popular and can co-exist in the marketplace.

AND....................use it/set it up properly. Which the Stereophools did not.

You mention your is 4M x 4M (aprox 12 feet x 12 feet). It's the same dimension in two of three proportions (LxWxH). (square). What's the ceiling height? A square (or even worse, a cube) is not particularly good for smooth, even bass response. The size is kind of small too. Many times smaller speakers are more appropriate for smaller rooms. In a space like you have you're sure to encounter some major acoustic modal problems in the lower frequencies where some bass frequencies may be much louder while other ones nearly disappear. In a small space like that, multiple smaller subs would work much better. I have a decent sized room (aprox. 20x30x8). I'm using four subs distributed throughout the room. Just a thought.

The only review of the Klipschorn that I know of and can regard with a high degree of validity, honesty and integrity was the November 1986 review in Audio Magazine by Richard Heyser.

"Maybe, like a lot of things that show up in measurements, it is deemed to have no audible significance?" Wanna know what really has NO audible significance? S T E R E O P H I L E Otherwise universally known as S T E R E O P H O O L by those who "know" (at least a tiny little bit about sound reproduction)

While I haven't actually used HEOS, taking a look at it, it appears to be essentially the same thing as Bluesound. Bluesound is owned by NAD. Bluesound is an operating system. Bluesound Node is simply an outboard device that can connect to any brand receiver for online streaming directly from an online Hi-Res source like Tidal or Qobuz. In other words you can use a Bluesound Node and stream Tidal via ethernet or Wi-Fi to the Bluesound Node hooked up to say a McIntosh MA5300 (or any other non Bluesound amp) via analog or digital. The Bluesound Node allows you to send your preferences to other "systems" around the house that are also Bluesound enabled, via additional Bluesound Node or are Bluesound enabled internally (ie: NAD M32 with Bluesound MDC card installed). So, if you're committed to the Denon product line (HEOS) then you would have to add more HEOS components around the house (the same goes for Bluesound). At this time from what I've read so far Denon doesn't have an "outboard" HEOS device that would allow users to make their non-Denon non-HEOS components HEOS enabled.

It's not so much about the file type/sample rate/bit depth as it is about the recording itself. If the original recording sucks then so will any digital file type/sample rate/bit depth of your choice. Just try to find something that you are familiar with/like and consider an excellent recording, with the highest sample rate/bit depth available. If you can, buy several of the same at different sample rate/bit depth. I doubt you'll hear a difference unless the original recording was recorded digitally at the highest sample rate/bit depth available and some of the secondary downloads of the same were "downsampled" to a lower res. Upsampling in and of itself doesn't make a recording sound better. In my experience it can actually make things worse. The less conversion of sample rate/bit depth the better.

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So much for "free market" 😘 Try sending that stuff to the marketing department 🤑

And I'm sure that's why those old R2R master tapes still sound as good today as they did 50, 60 years ago. 😷