seti Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 Common guys he has to be rocking out by now. Is their in seismic activity in the area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted June 4, 2009 Author Share Posted June 4, 2009 fixing hail storm damage and getting the PA ready for IndyFest. Just got asked today if I could furnish equipment for a second stage. What do you think that answer is? One PITA is that I don't have working laptop, so will have to drag the amps into my office any time I want to make a change. Can I send USB signals over CAT5 cable? I have cable between the gallery and the office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Have you ever even done this???????? Yep. Have you tried Band Manager? It's way way easier to use... You can put them in any order and the curve comes out exactly the same. That would be the transfer function, and yes that will always come out the same.... However, what happens if you feed in a 0dbfs signal and try to boost it 10dB? You're going to clip the digital section. If you boost 10dB and then cut 10dB at the same frequency and same Q you should get a flat frequency response, but it's still going to clip the digital stage before you attenuate. The same happens at the bottom of the band too, which is where we're usually operating due to the gain structure. If you cut before a boost, then small signals end up in the noise floor and then when you boost later on you end up with extra digital noise. If you boosted first and then cut, then you don't get extra digital noise... I definitely don't want to over-complicate things, but it's important to maintain the dynamic range through the dsp since the digital noise floor generally sounds bad. You can start by randomly assigning filters, but if you end up with more noise then you might consider rearranging the order. I'm not knocking Roy's settings but by my own measurements they do not produce the optimal FR or sound. Did you ever use Roy's settings specifically for the XTi? Your comments about the shelf filters have me very confused.... The shelf filters are mostly there to provide CD-EQ, and then there are a few filters to compensate for the horn/driver response. The narrow filters are notching out driver resonances. The shelf filter solution for the Dx38 is very different from the shelf filter solution on the XTi....you can't just copy the EV settings and leave out one of the shelfs. Roy gets away with using one less shelf in the XTi because he changes the wideband horn/driver EQ to accomplish an effectively identical transfer function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted June 5, 2009 Share Posted June 5, 2009 Doc, No.........I never tried Band Manager. Don't know about it at all. I understand your explanation of boost/cut and noise floor. But you really have no control over any of that in the SA software. If Crown was concerned about that they could bury the reordering of the filters in the software behind the scenes. They may be doing lots of behind the scenes processing we don't know about. It could also be done in the amp. At any rate it shoudln't affect how the data is enterred. As far XTI settings go......of course I used Roy's settings........ and as far as the shelving goes.....when Roy first released XTI settings everything was cool......and fit. But there were two or three updates to the settings that then overran the capabilities of the XTI EQ functionality. I do not have any of that anymore and have been working from memory to try and help Mike. So I can not tbe specific. But I spent so much time using that SW and experimenting with the XTI amps that I got really good at manipulating them and learning what they were good at, and not so good at. Anyhow, I was just trying to help Mike. He's too busy to concentrate on this stuff though. I want to hear that his jubs are making music. I also knew full well that the DX-38 settings were completely different from the XTI just to let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 I don't think SA is difficult to use. Probably just a fear factor at work here. I'm double checking my settings with what was sent to me and attempting to download to the amps today. I have company this weekend, they'll EXPECT these Jubilees to be up and running. So excuse me if the place doesn't look like a show home, mmmk? M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 curves in amps hooked up to computer (that looks so wacky) which button do I push? making a call to Crown now. I can't figure out this software arrrggghhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Mike, you should get a pop up box asking if you want to send data. You can use the pull down menus to find the way to do it manually. You should get a notification in the SW when it connects to an amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 Thanks for the call and support Mark! ah, talked to Kip at Crown- very helpful and patient guy. He led me through some USB troubleshooting, firmware upgrades to my amps, then how to save the devise and presets files to the computer and to the amps. Did you guys know that you have 14 programmable presets at each amp? You don't have to hook up to computer to make each little change. I'm going to create xover only preset, full Roy setting preset, Roy+bass and some others of my own. BUT FIRST- the second amp just updated so I should have these Jubilees up and running VERY SOON. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Hey man is that freedom rock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 I should have these Jubilees up and running VERY SOON [Y] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Did you guys know that you have 14 programmable presets at each amp? You don't have to hook up to computer to make each little change. I'm going to create xover only preset, full Roy setting preset, Roy+bass and some others of my own. I don't know about the XTi, but I've never had my Dx38 anywhere near a computer. I just punched in the original Roy settings and when he released the 09/2008 settings, I punched them in, too, and saved them in a separate program. Now both are available at the touch of a button, for comparison or whatever, but the newer program sounds better, so it will be the only one used, unless a further update is released. As you probably know, the Dx can store 30 user programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 music, music, music, music, music..........[8] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 ugh, need RCA-XLR cable. Back to Parts Express. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 bummer. [st] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 ugh, need RCA-XLR cable. Back to Parts Express. Does the rat shack carry those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Can you just connect a preamp that has XLR outputs? You must have a few of those on hand. PLAY SOME MUSIC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 ew, what use a Behringer mixer board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted June 8, 2009 Author Share Posted June 8, 2009 [:$] ew, what use a Behringer mixer board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Yes, I was going to suggest a mixer board. DO IT. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arky Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 PLAY SOME MUSIC. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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