forresthump2 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 quote: Originally posted by HornEd: Yeah, The Ninth Circuit Court has the unenviable record of having more rulings overturned by the Supreme Court than any other Circuit Court. Predictably, the politicians are lining up with outraged moral majority members... and jurists are pretty much split on a very controversial issue... generally the Supreme Court goes with what it perceives to be the popular mood of the people... which would be against the constitutional provisions on the subject, IMHO. Again, I appreciate Klipsch allowing us to have this discussion so close to the 4th of July... for it gives all of us Americans to review the basis of our patriotism... and it gives non-Americans around the world the opportunity to see a democratic groundswell in our very special Republic. -HornED Wow you jumped right to the typical Libby conclusions before I finished my last post, Horny. Funny that if you tell the truth instead of your usual manipulations of words and facts you'll find both Libs and Right Polymongers against the ruling. And, imagine that. This court being overturned so much by the Supremes. Imagine that. LOL ------------------ Go Forth and Hump the World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted June 27, 2002 Author Share Posted June 27, 2002 I still hold my position on the pledge ruling. I saw on Fox News, that the judge is tucking his tail between his legs and is getting a little nerveous. It will be fun to see what happens. To the hot dog gang. Angus- I will be tolerent of your culture if you are tolerent to mine, period. ------------------ Receiver: Sony STR-DE675 CD player: Sony CDP-CX300 Turntable: Technics SL-J3 with Audio-Technica TR485U Speakers: JBL HLS-610 Subwoofer: JBL 4648A-8 Sub amp: Parts Express 180 watt Center/surrounds: Teac 3-way bookshelfs Yes, it sucks, but better to come. KLIPSCH soon! My computer is better than my stereo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump2 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Here's a petition to sign to protest the pledge ruling by 9th court of lunacy http://grassfire.net/14/petition.asp?PID=2329877&P=1 Trouble is they're getting so much response you can't get through right now. How's that for Democracy in action Horny? LOL ------------------ Go Forth and Hump the World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornEd Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 So, Forresthump2, are we to take it that you are a True Believer in God and the American Way as you see it. That you endorse and embrace the work of the Christian Socialist who wrote the Pledge of Allegiance... all except the words "under God"... after he was forced out of the ministry for socialist sermons? Of course, as a heritage it has only been around for sixty years... a shade more than the Klipschorn. Thanks for your reference to the riotous right... but I think I'll pass on this petition... it's just not "right" enough for me. But a link from that post brought back some old memories like: Congress officially recognized the Pledge of Allegiance in 1942, but in 1943, the Supreme Court ruled that public school students could not be forced to recite it. But we students did indeed start every day with it all through the war years and beyond. I thought it was meaningful and didn't have a clue that it had been written about socialist ideals. The words "under God" were added in 1954 by then President Eisenhower, who stated at the time, "In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource in peace and war." Sure sounds to me like it imprints a religious presence into the fabric of our official Pledge in a way that's cross-wise with the First Amendment... but I am sure there is some "Archie Bunker" way to make a "Stifle yourself, Edit" out of all this. Peace FH2! -HornED PS: Your still the only person that has ever called me a liberal... Should I worry? PPS: For the record, I was a volunteer worker for Ike during the San Francisco Republican National Convention... no one called me a liberal there either. This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-27-2002 at 05:57 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 thanks for the link Forrest. quote: Petition Target Date: 12/31/02 Target Number of Petitioners: 1,000,000 Total Petitioners to Date: 34,343 Total petitioners TODAY: 32,311 # added in the last 72 hours: 34,341 Velocity (current petitioners per hour): 1461 Total # Countries petitioners are from: 30 # of U.S. States petitioners are from: 50 Total # of E-generations: 3 ------------------ -justin SoundWise Support A technical help site created by me and my fellow Klipschers I am an amateur, if it is professional; ProMedia help you want email Amy or call her @ 1-888-554-5665 or for an RA# 800-554-7724 ext 5 Klipsch Home Audio help you want, email support@klipsch.com or call @ 1-800-KLIPSCH RA# Fax Number=317-860-9140 / Parts Department Fax Number=317-860-9150s> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump2 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Horny like I say we folks in a democracy have the freedom to change our minds just as you have done for certain reasons. I've already stated that my God is the Head of my Unit just as anyone else can worship their God as they see fit or to not say the pledge at all. No matter who wrote it when. Its called cultural evolution old guy as Im sure you have seen. We can all have our own definition of God. Guess that blows your Im a socialist or Im moral majority label out of water. LOL Of course you were a republican when you had a business and money. When you were chased out you evolved to a liberal and loomed up the truck and moved to Californy. That's what makes America great. LOL ------------------ Go Forth and Hump the World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump2 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 http://www.millionsofamericans.com/clients/moa/pledge_petition/index.cfm?L=NULL&P=NULL&A=760 Here's another petition. Real Quick. Let's Embarrass some more Lib Judges once again. ------------------ Go Forth and Hump the World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 I think this will be my last post on this issue. Everyone seems to have brought forth some good points. I just wanted to say that, in my opinion, it is good that we have BOTH liberals and conservitives. I think it helps keep eveyone in check and keeps our society in balance. However, it would appear that this society is leaning more towards liberalism. ------------------ m00nsCinema to be the m00n system FRONTS: RF-7 CENTER: RC-7 SURROUNDS: RS-7 SUB: RSW-12 RECEIVER: Harman Kardon AVR 520 DVD: Toshiba SD 3205 (DD, DTS) TV: Samsung 27" Flatscreen COMPUTER: ProMedia 4.1 c>Microsoft XBOXc> f> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump2 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Moon Dont think that just because this board has a lot of Libby Working Poor. the women are leaning more right now, W has 75% popularity, and all the libbies have are a few mysogonists that Still dig Slick and AlSore Class Warfare types like Horny and the Union hacks on here. Not by far buddy. Look beyond this sad board representation of Libby Losers. Gosh I hate Libbies. ------------------ Go Forth and Hump the World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripod Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Step away for a few hours and the inmates run wild. Glad to see your posts are as insightful as always Forrest. I'm glad to see I interested you enough to do a search with my userid. Unfortunately, this is the first time I've ever used Tripod as a moniker so you weren't very successful. That's certainly an interesting site, but it isn't mine, in fact, it doesn't even belong to someone by the name of tripod. Any half-wit can see that tripod is the ISP's name, not the page owner. Anyway, you get back to signing online petitions and other productive things like that. I think I'll waste my time by enjoying my new speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump2 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Go with Allah Tripud. You colsestomy-bag you. ------------------ Go Forth and Hump the World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikekid Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 I just got done flipping through some channels on the tv. It looks like the CRAP served up on MTV is by far more acceptable than using the word GOD as of late........... Sickening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev313 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 ok let's get real. calling someone a communist to discredit his opinion really lost all of its thunder sometime in the early 80's. forest give it up...we know you are a gay black muslim. ------------------ Two Channel System: Klipsch Fortes (1988) Jolida 202a Rega Planet Denon DP 3000 tt (Stax tonearm; Grado Gold cart.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric D Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 I've been interested in the informative side of this discussion, even to the presentation of each individual's point of view. I'll try to stick with it a little longer, but I do feel that it has devolved somewhat into name calling, and that certain positions have not been defended with more with "because!" than with explanation. My basic philosophy towards the law is that "I don't want the Government making any law that protects me from myself." I kinda feel that's pretty conservative. And as I stated in my discussion of the Golden Rule, if I want that for myself, I extend the same to others. I can't any longer remember the source of that statement in the last paragraph (and another sentence that goes with it to the effect of the purpose of law is to protect me from other a**holes), but when I tried to look it up, I ran into the a quote I'll put at the end of this message that looked pretty on point. I marvel at how conservatism has been coopted by those who would use government activism to control others or force their religious point of view on others. I might be totally in religious agreement with our most vociferous posters, but because I differ on whether or not to extend courtesy to another religion or to an athiest who might very well be more moral than some scandalous televangelists, I'm the "L" word. Just as they attempt to stamp the L word on a judge who attempts limit government activism. It may be an action from 1954, but it is still an action by the government to forward a specific point of view outside of it's purpose as defined in the constitution. I take being labelled as L (or "C" for that matter) in stride - I prefer to be thoughtful in my philosophy, consistent in my reasoning, and open to further information that may either cause me to change my point of view on a narrow topic or even possibly bring an epiphany that could cause me to revisit whole ranges of my beliefs about topics. I can sound frightenly "C" about such topics as "English as a Second Language," welfare, or immigration; and I've not given to foreign charities since 1973 because I perceived it as an investment in pain without a long-term plan to deal with the results. But ask me, and I'll always try to discuss the why or my points of view, try to learn more, and am open to consider changing my pov. And I'll respect your abilities to listen and perhaps learn. Let's see - anarchist? I think the quote that most of you can relate to would be JFKs "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." I just remember somewhere long ago from a class on Organization theory something like any organization is just the sum of what people put into it. A version of that has always stuck with me. I feel the true believers in our country look to give TO it, not to take FROM it. In this application, to me it means that we need to sacrifice some of our personal preferences to the JOB of building an inclusive society - but one that allows me to practice my preferences (and can't if it doesn't allow the other schmo to do the same). I think I'g gonna head home from my job with a Government contractor and fire up the Klipsch speakers. Maybe I'll pull out the ole' uniform and look at my dirty Presidential Unit Citation pennant that I'll never send to the cleaners, just to remind me of how I think we build a good country. "Anarchist" - it is to laugh... Oh yeah, here's the quote: "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -Louis D. Brandeis 'Nuff of this. As usually happens in these discussions (or today's middle east developments in the news), a little of my hope for our world to grow in kindness has died today, and besides, my head hurts. Peace and Joy to you all, Eric This message has been edited by Eric D on 06-27-2002 at 09:10 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 quote: Originally posted by forresthump2: HornEd in case you havent heard English is the official language of the USA. When, I ask are you going to start using it? fini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump2 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Kevina you must be a speed reader AND a slow learner. But since you think i called somebody that I think means your a Communist Lesbian. Maybe Gus Hall will return for you next time. Just as well you vote for the Commy candidate as a Democrat you pinko. Eric I think your only info must come from the Libs who shout the loudest on here. Watch out that's how Libs make their point. That and self-declaring their superior intelligence like Clipped and Neudered. LOL What this ruling does is take away the right for people to say the Pledge as its now written. As you will soon see that's against popular opinion by far. I don't think you understand that it is this court that's trying to take away rights here. And 2nd I don't think you understand that this Liberal Activist Court is rewritinfg legislation passed by the US Congress. They are in effect writing law that says people don't have the right to even mention God in public Schools. This is Extremism and I think you've established a premise based on lack of info and 1st impressions. If you want to be on the losers side that's fine. But Im not religious at all and this ruling sucks big time. ------------------ Go Forth and Hump the World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k2dx Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 What does any of this have to do with Klipsch??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 Stop reading the high school history books; we are not a democracy. It is a "consitiutionally limited republic"! The constitution is there to keep stupid things from happening. Like the majority forcing their will on the minority. For example, things get stupid with the election of a president. We have the electoral college to prevent the masses from getting strange. With the checks and balances written into the constitution it is not the person but the mechanism that is important. There have been real strange characters that stumbled into the White House but could not ruin the mechanism. At least we have term limits in the White house. The socialist elitists with law degrees and no term limits are the ones that scare me. It was not meant to be a carreer! It is a pulic service to be elected the way the founding fathers envisoned. Politicians do not know what is like to have real jobs. Politicians definitely should have kept their hands off of the "Pledge" 50 years ago and now we do it again. Statesman have better things to do with their time. I have a hard time picking out statesmen; they are an endangered species. I think John McCain may be the best one i know of. He hit campaign finance reform so hard he angered his own party. Statesmen are drawn to issues that need attention not issues that are popular. I do not trust people who beleive in no deities, multiple deities, or that their deity tells them my rights are lesser because you do not beleive in their deity. I can tolerate just about everybody else; even Forresthump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump2 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 And "God" can even be spoke by a liberal atheist if they're as open-minded as they claim to be. EOM. Amen. And Fini is right. Sometimes I think Horny is speaking in Ewok or something too. Or its like he applies Spanish to English when writing. He Takes 50 words for what can be conveyed in 10. LOL ------------------ Go Forth and Hump the World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev313 Posted June 27, 2002 Share Posted June 27, 2002 forrest, you sweet little man, are you hitting on me? thats part of what the court does - addresses whether the laws passed by congress are constitutional. by the way, what/who is left after you take out all the groups (women, communists (crack me up with your "pinko" talk...what is this 1960) muslims) that you invoke as a derogatory term. oh...pretty much just forrest. the forrest club. come down one way or the other on the flag debate. like i said, there are good arguments on both sides. legally, i feel that a court that reviews this decision (i.e., a full 9th circuit panel or the supreme court) will likely find that the term "god" in the pledge has lost its religous meaning and has become a secular ritual. as such, it's use doesn't promote or "establish" religion. therefore, it does not violate the establishment clause and is constitutional. personally, i don't care. i don't go to church and i respect the views of athiests provided they respect my right to worship God or a god. BUT you my sweet forrest are a relic. your intolerance puts you squarely in the minority. NOTE i did not say your views on the pledge are in the minority, just your "forrest chump is the UBER RACE" view. youre done. just stop. post something intelligent. try. sometimes its close, but you always make fun of something non-forrest and screw it up. ------------------ Two Channel System: Klipsch Fortes (1988) Jolida 202a Rega Planet Denon DP 3000 tt (Stax tonearm; Grado Gold cart.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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