jcmusic Posted December 10, 2013 Author Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) Oh ok I get now!!! Cool that sounds like a great idea when the time comes, or you and your wife are welcome to come anytime and we can all go eat together!!! Central Grocers? Where is that? We have a place a couple blocks from my house that has pretty good Muffuletta's too!!! Edited December 10, 2013 by canyonman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Looks like it's on Decatur. they're phenominal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Grocery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted December 10, 2013 Author Share Posted December 10, 2013 Oh ok we call that place Tusa's, they are a long time family down here and started that place long before I was a kid. My Mom and friends called it Tusa's for as long as I can remember... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 My niece and her (now ex) husband used to live in N.O. He was born and raised there. When we'd go visit, he'd escort us around town hitting all the hot spots. Central Grocers was one of the places he introduced us to. I can't go to N.O. without stopping there and getting a couple sandwiches to bring back to TX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted December 10, 2013 Author Share Posted December 10, 2013 You are right once you've eaten one of those it stays with you forever!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) EDIT Edited December 10, 2013 by CECAA850 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlB Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Has anyone tried the SVS SB-13 Ultra with a set of Khorns? http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/SB13-Ultra#.UrDRxPRDthE or on the cheaper end The HSU VTF-15H. http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html I really want to try something like this HSU ULS-15. http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/uls-15.html Rythmik F15HP http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F15HP.html Edited December 18, 2013 by CarlB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Are there any subs other than Horn loaded that will be keep up or match with khorns, for 2 channel music??? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Are there any subs other than Horn loaded that will be keep up or match with khorns, for 2 channel music??? No. ClaudeJ1, You say no, have you looked at the SVS subs? Also wouldn't alot depend on listening levels etc, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhetor Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 (edited) Martin Logan Depth i . . . designed for music, small form factor, goes down to 20 hz. I love mine with Khorns in 2.1 ss or with Scott 299D. Also, with switcher, use in in a 9.1 configuration for movies. Amazing still, even though it was designed for music. Must be the 3 balanced woofers in it. http://www.martinlogan.com/products/depthi You might want to look into it. It needed big sound, but wanted to go low in a small form factor . . . and got WAF too. Good luck in your search. Edited December 18, 2013 by Rhetor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted December 21, 2013 Author Share Posted December 21, 2013 Has anyone tried the SVS SB-13 Ultra with a set of Khorns? http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box/SB13-Ultra#.UrDRxPRDthE or on the cheaper end The HSU VTF-15H. http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html I really want to try something like this HSU ULS-15. http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/uls-15.html Rythmik F15HP http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F15HP.html I am considering 2 SB1000's to use with my Khorns, so I would think the ones you are looking at would work; depending listening levels etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason str Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Are there any subs other than Horn loaded that will be keep up or match with khorns, for 2 channel music??? No. This is the best answer i have seen. Any sub will work with a set of horns, a direct radiator will just not blend well with the sound is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Are there any subs other than Horn loaded that will be keep up or match with khorns, for 2 channel music??? No. ClaudeJ1, You say no, have you looked at the SVS subs? Also wouldn't alot depend on listening levels etc, etc? There are lots of good direct radiator subs out there. Many of them by Klipsch. But, based on the PHYSICS, rather than brand, they do create lots of harmonic distortion, which is what makes them incompatible with Khorns. Paul Klipsch original made the Heresy as a center channel speaker, then the Cornwall, and finally, a Belle (Pretter version of a LaScala named after his first, late wife to match Walnut Khorns). His reasoning evolved, based on measurments and listening, that even when played 6 db down from the flanking speakers in his classic 2PH3 setup, which I had myself for 30 years, the distortion was still objectionable based on the lowest common denominator. You can have a horn sub with direct radiator main speakers, but not the other way around. An exception to this might be having LOTS of 18" sub cones to keep excursion at the lowest frequencies below 1.5 mm Xmax. But that is way more expensive than just building a THT or some other sub bass horn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I'm with jason str and Claude on this one. A horn-loaded sub with a Klipschorn makes a 4-way fully horn-loaded system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Horn subs blend best, true. Sometimes they're not practical due to room constraints. Direct radiators will blend with horns however even if not ideal. A wise man even put direct radiating drivers in the same enclosures as horn loaded drivers..................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted December 21, 2013 Author Share Posted December 21, 2013 Horn subs blend best, true. Sometimes they're not practical due to room constraints. Direct radiators will blend with horns however even if not ideal. A wise man even put direct radiating drivers in the same enclosures as horn loaded drivers..................................... Now I am no expert that's the reason for the thread but, as stated above room constraints are the reason behind not looking at horn subs. They are just too big for my room plain and simple and I am not willing to change the room to put in a sub. I have a small place for 2 subs it's there are not at all, ( A wise man even put direct radiating drivers in the same enclosures as horn loaded drivers.....................................) I wonder who that could have been??? LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 (edited) Canyonman, I built a coffee table Tapped Horn Sub that went to 15 Hz. with a LAB driver for about $300. It was ruler flat from 20-60 Hz. at the mouth and only needed about 3 Watts to keep up with Khorn bottoms with Crites woofers, since the mouth was at my feet. But if you need to save space bad enough and you are looking at Direct Radiator subs that cost $2,000 each. then go forth a blow the cash. Why are you asking us? All direct radiator subs do the same thing. More cone area, ported or sealed and lots of power needed. Unless we are talking something like my old twin large VMPS passive subs which had a 12, a 15, a 15 passive radiator in a port that you could tune with the supplied putty. They kept up with my MWM woofers, but mostly knocked stuff off the walls upstairs when cranked up. They would be too big for you though, so look at a SERVO type sub to get the most bass out of given space. Edited December 21, 2013 by ClaudeJ1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted December 21, 2013 Author Share Posted December 21, 2013 Hi Claude1, You seem to be stuck on the tuba type sub and that's fine it is just not for me. I don't have the space period, the subs I am looking at don't cost $2000 each more like $499 each. I was asking in general because I don't know much about subs and don't keep up with them. This is the first time I have ever considered using a sub for 2 channel music, and didn't kmow where to start looking for a small sub that would work with big horns. You took it upon yourself to get involved in this thread, and you keep talking about horn subs and I have told you many times already not gonna happen. Thanks for all the other imput you had... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Hi Claude1, You seem to be stuck on the tuba type sub and that's fine it is just not for me. I don't have the space period, the subs I am looking at don't cost $2000 each more like $499 each. I was asking in general because I don't know much about subs and don't keep up with them. This is the first time I have ever considered using a sub for 2 channel music, and didn't kmow where to start looking for a small sub that would work with big horns. You took it upon yourself to get involved in this thread, and you keep talking about horn subs and I have told you many times already not gonna happen. Thanks for all the other imput you had... No problem. Sorry it took me until the prior post to change my tune. No matter which direct radiator subs you get, get two, and they are best used on front and rear wall centers if possible. You will probably find 60 hz. to be a good starting point for best blend. Let us know how it well it goes, ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Canyonman, I built a coffee table Tapped Horn Sub that went to 15 Hz. with a LAB driver for about $300. It was ruler flat from 20-60 Hz. at the mouth and only needed about 3 Watts to keep up with Khorn bottoms with Crites woofers, since the mouth was at my feet. But if you need to save space bad enough and you are looking at Direct Radiator subs that cost $2,000 each. then go forth a blow the cash. Why are you asking us? All direct radiator subs do the same thing. More cone area, ported or sealed and lots of power needed. Unless we are talking something like my old twin large VMPS passive subs which had a 12, a 15, a 15 passive radiator in a port that you could tune with the supplied putty. They kept up with my MWM woofers, but mostly knocked stuff off the walls upstairs when cranked up. They would be too big for you though, so look at a SERVO type sub to get the most bass out of given space. Ruler Flat at how many Db at 1 meter???? Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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