Thaddeus Smith Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'm getting Jeff Tubbs' KP-201's in a trade deal and I'm wondering if they should be catch-and-release or if I should try and make them the new speakers for my 2-channel rig (too big to use as HT surrounds in my space). I know they are basically Heresy II's with a change in the crossover, but beyond that there isn't a ton of info on the 'ol internet. Are they too bass shy to be useful without a sub? Should I spend some time talking with Dean-o about crossover mods? My current 2-channel amp is pretty neutral and revealing, and they would likely be used near field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 You can port them and improve the bass, but you should really have a sub. Why not the little tapped horn sub with the 6 1/2 " driver instead? Available in flat pack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 it's possible.. it just adds a level of complexity to the system. I've really enjoyed going straight from my laptop/dac into an amp and right out to the speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I just wrote a whole paragraph and deleted it. Why don't you get them, hook them up and decide whether you like them or not? Who cares what we think? Not you no????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 lol Carl. And I know I asked you this very question via PM the other day. I guess maybe what I'm after is tips and tricks to make Heresy II's (and therefore KP201's) sound their best. So far all I've found is "use low power tubes!" and "use 300W of CLEAN power!" ...and then a TON of information slamming early models while extolling the virtues of H3's. and believe it or not, when it comes to social interaction and acceptance i do have a very fragile ego and low self esteem - which i heavily compensate for by being a smartass jokester. so, i care more about what you guys think than you may realize. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) Are they too bass shy to be useful without a sub? Being that they are basically Heresy II's, I think they would wonderfully anchor a nice 2-channel rig. Maybe I am a bit biased, but in each prospective rooms, Heresys in a 13 x 13, Heresy II's in a 13 x 20, they are by no means "bass shy". You could call it deep bass shy yes, but definitely not short on fast, punchy, thumpy bass. Would a subwoofer enhance things down low, of course, but IMO not necessary. Should I spend some time talking with Dean-o about crossover mods? Can't hurt except for a small dent in your wallet, but I think it may be worth it. My current 2-channel amp is pretty neutral and revealing, and they would likely be used near field. With both of these setups I am using neutral and revealing sources and amplification and both form a near field 7' x 7' x 7' equilateral triangle. Bill Edited July 8, 2014 by willland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 With both of these setups I am using neutral and revealing sources and amplification and both form a near field 7' x 7' x 7' equilateral triangle. are they flat on the floor, using risers, or on stands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 (edited) I have my Heresys in the 13 x 13 room on 23" stands and my Heresy II's like the below photo. Since photo I removed the risers. Let me make a correction, the Heresy II rig is part of a 4' x 4' x 4' triangle and general master bedroom background listening. Edited July 8, 2014 by willland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 What Bill said... HIIs are way more balanced than the originals, without doing some crossover changes. Very satisfying speakers, and ones I could live with very easily (I do actually, and the only Klipsch I currently have in use). I wouldn't port them unless I made the cabinets the size of the Tangent 400s. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmvette Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) I've had the KP201s. They don't need a sub set up correctly in a small to mid size room. Especially with SS amplification. Mine responded best to a 200 watt Carver M1.0t with the Carver C1 preamp. That preamp, has a good range of treble and bass control and really allowed me dial them in to my liking. They will respond well to many other amps too, that was just my favorite combo. Should be no need to do crossovers. I think there wouldn't be much benefit unless there is a problem. Edited July 9, 2014 by emmvette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Should be no need to do crossovers. I think there wouldn't be much benefit unless there is a problem. I should clarify... No need to do the HII crossovers, only make changes on the original Heresy to make more balanced. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 Cool guys, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Claude, Where to find the tapped subs in the knockdown kits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Claude, Where to find the tapped subs in the knockdown kits? Not Claude here. Info is in this thread. https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/138019-25hz-tapped-horn/ They're great for smaller rooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 Doesnt appear to be available as a flat pack anymore. Or rather, at least not from the source you linked to in the build thread. http://www.diysoundgroup.com/flat-packs-1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Doesnt appear to be available as a flat pack anymore. Or rather, at least not from the source you linked to in the build thread. http://www.diysoundgroup.com/flat-packs-1.html That's the only place that carried them as far as I know. I thought that DizRotus just ordered some. I could be mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'm just dumb. I reached out to the company and they pointed out that it's listed on the "ported subwoofer" page. http://www.diysoundgroup.com/ported-subwoofers-1.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted July 11, 2014 Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 Got them home tonight and I'm frustrated. I thought these might just be a catch and release pair, but after some quick listening they sound like they'd be fun for near field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Got them home tonight and I'm frustrated. I thought these might just be a catch and release pair, but after some quick listening they sound like they'd be fun for near field. Told you. Let the music flow and enjoy(for now). Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I'm just dumb. I reached out to the company and they pointed out that it's listed on the "ported subwoofer" page. http://www.diysoundgroup.com/ported-subwoofers-1.html Well, I wouldn't consider a tapped horn as a ported sub but what do I know. Looks like you can get the drivers and the flat packs at the same place now. I think I had to get mine from 2 different places when I bought them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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