derrickdj1 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm as close as I'll ever be. I haven't had the itch to upgrade subs in about 6 or 7 years. Once you get there, you know it. What a nice place to be and get rid of the itch. Well stated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdave Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm as close as I'll ever be. I haven't had the itch to upgrade subs in about 6 or 7 years. Once you get there, you know it. For me, it seems no matter what I get into, it's never enough. My wife says it's too much and describes it to people that haven't listened to it as "stupid" loud. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) I'm as close as I'll ever be. I haven't had the itch to upgrade subs in about 6 or 7 years. Once you get there, you know it. For me, it seems no matter what I get into, it's never enough. My wife says it's too much and describes it to people that haven't listened to it as "stupid" loud. Lol. In terms of sound, it's not sheer loudness that I'm after. I want effortless bass in the lowest octaves without sacrificing being tight and musical up top. I know good and well how to make stuff loud. Now to do that while seeming effortless and gentlemanly down low, and still being really defined up high, all while looking like a million bucks, is an entirely different story. Basically I want to have my cake and eat it too. Edited June 12, 2015 by MetropolisLakeOutfitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 In terms of sound, it's not sheer loudness that I'm after. I want effortless bass in the lowest octaves without sacrificing being tight and musical up top. I know good and well how to make stuff loud. Now to do that while seeming effortless and gentlemanly down low, and still being really defined up high Yep, that's it. Basically you want something that can keep up with your mains without distortion at whatever level you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 I'm as close as I'll ever be. I haven't had the itch to upgrade subs in about 6 or 7 years. Once you get there, you know it.For me, it seems no matter what I get into, it's never enough. My wife says it's too much and describes it to people that haven't listened to it as "stupid" loud. Lol. In terms of sound, it's not sheer loudness that I'm after. I want effortless bass in the lowest octaves without sacrificing being tight and musical up top. I know good and well how to make stuff loud. Now to do that while seeming effortless and gentlemanly down low, and still being really defined up high, all while looking like a million bucks, is an entirely different story. Basically I want to have my cake and eat it too. get you four palladium subs. They come with a packet of icing and white gloves to eat t with! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Yep, that's it. Basically you want something that can keep up with your mains without distortion at whatever level you play. If the Ultimax is not fittting the bill for keeping up with the mains, something is wrong. You would need to go pass 0 reference into the plus numbers to make things crazy but, I won't talk about when I did that, lol. Edited June 12, 2015 by derrickdj1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Yep, that's it. Basically you want something that can keep up with your mains without distortion at whatever level you play. If the Ultimax is not fittting the bill for keeping up with the mains, something is wrong. You would need to go pass 0 reference into the plus numbers to make things crazy but, I won't talk about when I did that, lol. It's really only on super low stuff when I'm playing around reference with the subs 6 db hot. And, I just don't need to be doing that so I'm going to give up on trying. What happens is that they fle... I mean, they have so much excursion that you can hear higher frequency driver harmonics and possibly box resonances even though I built them pretty tough. The calibrator last weekend thought I was actually hearing the nearest wall shaking and adding to the overall sound. Edited June 12, 2015 by MetropolisLakeOutfitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdave Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 What happens is that they fle... I mean LOL, good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdave Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 The calibrator last weekend thought I was actually hearing the nearest wall shaking and adding to the overall sound. Did he make any suggestions and or improvements to your sound overall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Metro, I don't get that from my boxes. Have you seen some of the graphs I posted in my additional wooferage thread. It was meant to be educational as a way of giving back to the community. https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/156694-additional-wooferage/page-4 I was able to hit 115 db at 10 Hz and near 130 db at 35 Hz. Those graph are low extension mode. I won't even listen to anything at those levels due to hearing damage. They may help your sort out what is happening in your room. Take 10 db. away and the levels are still carzy loud if distortion is in question. I wish I would have taken some distortion reading since now I have recalibrated everything. You need to post some graphs so you can see what is going on with the FR. Edited June 15, 2015 by Chad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted June 12, 2015 Author Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) The calibrator last weekend thought I was actually hearing the nearest wall shaking and adding to the overall sound. Did he make any suggestions and or improvements to your sound overall? Setting the distances manually helped a ton, Audessey wasn't real accurate. Wasn't a real big fan of anything else sound wise. He made everything super loud which I don't agree with. With bigger Klipsch speakers, Audessey kills them by 8-12 db. He manually set this to be flat, like at 0. Why would anybody do this? It makes no sense. Now -25 db is too loud on most everything, pretty ridiculous, and he was shocked that we would listen to stuff at -20, but that is before he boosted everything. Really the only thing he did was get stuff kinda flat but then kill the treble so you could stand listening to it at reference level. It had a goofy sound. He boosted it back 1.5 db when I questioned it but I dunno, speech isn't the greatest on it now although he liked it. I was really impressed with the video part but for audio I'd say save up your money and buy an audessey pro kit, and maybe a laser distance measurer. As for the subs, he claimed that getting air compressor isolation pads would get rid of some of what I'm hearing. Edited June 12, 2015 by MetropolisLakeOutfitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 What happens is that they fle... I mean least i know I'm not being completely ignored in this thread LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 get you four palladium subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted June 13, 2015 Author Share Posted June 13, 2015 So, probably not suitable for HT when expecting to get into the low freq? Stick with the 18's! exactly. cory why don't you come up my way one weekend and you and i can go hear 8 SI's, 8 ultimax's, and dougs dual gjallerhorns and his SI 24? I'm bringing you an overweight cat if I come up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappydue Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 So, probably not suitable for HT when expecting to get into the low freq? Stick with the 18's! exactly. cory why don't you come up my way one weekend and you and i can go hear 8 SI's, 8 ultimax's, and dougs dual gjallerhorns and his SI 24? I'm bringing you an overweight cat if I come up. deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superdave Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Demoed my system for some friends tonight and they couldn't figure out where the bass was coming from. I said awesome! that one of the requirements I was trying to achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 Demoed my system for some friends tonight and they couldn't figure out where the bass was coming from. I said awesome! that one of the requirements I was trying to achieve. Mission accomplished! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 I'm curious about dual opposed setups. What happens up high when you have subs pointed in different directions? At 80 hz it's pretty directional. Curious as to if it sounds weird with directional sounds while not being pointed at your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derrickdj1 Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 I had the dual oppose Epik sub and it need to be angled in the corner for best placement. Otherwise, it was no different than any of the other subs that I have had in terms of directional cues. The best sub from the directional viewpoint is down firing subs. They help filter out higher frequencies and harmonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted June 17, 2015 Author Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) The best sub from the directional viewpoint is down firing subs. They help filter out higher frequencies and harmonics. So just fire them straight down into the carpet, or does it have to be hardwood? How much clearance do they need? That would solve my height issue, the box would only have to be like 10" tall plus some clearance instead of 20". No funky cones being visible either. Edited June 17, 2015 by MetropolisLakeOutfitters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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