joessportster Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Till Last night I was of the opinion the 2 could not co exist in 1 system, Today I am eating my words. There is no doubt it is a delicate balance To much resolution and things become analytical sounding, to little and you are left wanting There is something to be said for Ignorance is Bliss, At this stage I feel like it would be very hard to have anything less and for the first time I am at a point I refuse to change (I have said this before I know) I have built systems in the past that I thought had achieved a balance. Perhaps they had to some degree, I can say without hesitation I was substantially off the mark. I am comfortable with the definition of PRAT now while still feeling like the overall sound is Musical It is funny how everything just fell into place, A DAC I was kind of unhappy with, and an amp I considered selling, After getting the audiophilleo AP1 back from Phillip yesterday and getting the settings lined up the DAC took on new life and pairs with the amp in a way that is just bliss So glad no one took me up on selling the DAC or Amp Cheers Folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ski Bum Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 The definition of PRAT. (Not the common definition, but it's what the term PRAT makes me think of, at least. Andre Miller with the impeccable timing, set to grooves put down by Curtis Fuller? That's just pure awesomeness.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Digging Paul Simon Graceland 25th anniversary version............outstanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I am comfortable with the definition of PRAT now while still feeling like the overall sound is Musical Digging Paul Simon Graceland 25th anniversary version............outstanding You want PRAT, fire up some "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover". Love the snare drum intro. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Whose PRAT??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 A troll that resides inside various pieces of gear praying on us the unaware causing our HOBBY to drain our respective wallets of hard earned cash Seriously though it is an acronym for Pace Rhythm And Timing (which I am sure you already knew, ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 New one on me!! everyday i learn something new here! THX! Ya gotta have PRAT! for sure! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 If you want good "PRAT", just don't let the frequency response dip below 45Hz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 The definition of PRAT. (Not the common definition, but it's what the term PRAT makes me think of, at least. Andre Miller with the impeccable timing, set to grooves put down by Curtis Fuller? That's just pure awesomeness.) I don't understand British slang it seems. Looked it up and I still don't get it, at least with the way you guys are using it. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 If you want good "PRAT", just don't let the frequency response dip below 45Hz. yes but the foundation for the music lies down there so its give here take there, I do believe my new dac does a good job at both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul79 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Ah yes... The beautiful world of NOS DAC's. There will be nothing else that will do for you now, in digital land. Your only upgrade will be another NOS DAC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) I have a hard time getting my head around to much resolution equalling bad sound... I have heard dac speaker amp combinationS that sound dry and flat. But I never thought that resolution alone would cause this... and frankly I can not get "to much resolution". Resolution creates separation and dimension and allows the elements in music to occupy their own space, It helps resolve phasing/flanging. Without a reduction in distortion and jitter thru a greater ability to resolve, I would not be as happy as I am with the digital section of my system... I can easily say digital has begun to over take analog and that is only at 44.1hz. Up around 96hz+ it's not even close. Phil Spector needs to be ostracized for his wall of sound approach to production. Edited September 7, 2015 by Schu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) The "WOS" was one of the most brilliant strokes in rock and roll history! DA DO RON RON!!! Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Edited September 10, 2015 by jo56steph74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckAb3 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Phil Spector needs to be ostracized for his wall of sound approach to production. Isn't good 'ol Phil still in the slammer?? We're probably safe from any more transgressions at least for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Paul McCartney, Brian Wilson, Phil Specter. 1960s sound. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 heres a new wrinkle, I am seeing A LOT about R 2 R dacs coming back, I am watching with interest Apparently Schiit is working on R2R modules for Bifrost and ygg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul79 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Fully discrete, R2R DAC's done right, is as good as it gets IMO. My Totaldac is so far beyond any other DAC I have heard, it is not even funny. Pricey, yes, but if one wants off the merry go round, this will do it. Take your pick as to which Totaldac, as each one easily competes with anything double their price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muel Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Heh! Those upper end Totaldacs cost more than my first house! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul79 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Heh! Those upper end Totaldacs cost more than my first house! Expensive they are..... Doubt they cost more than your current house though! I hear it all the time. I'm an idiot for owning such a thing, when I can go buy a nice car for the money. Well, all I can do with a car is drive it. I have no remorse, whatsoever. People have their priorities. I have mine. Is this DAC $30K better than a $5K DAC? Depends on where your priorities lie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 agreed if you earn the $$ and the dac makes you happy why not, I have plenty of people that think me nuts for much less than a high end dac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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