College Football 2023

Dave1291 · October 23, 2023

Joel's outlook on blue is a great take.

Dave1291 · October 23, 2023

Can't deny Georgia either. Bye week.

Florida State - Duke highlights.

Dave1291 · October 23, 2023

U of m cheating scandel heating up per ESPN.

https://simplenews.co.uk/sports/sources-u-m-staffer-bought-tickets-at-11-schools/?p2=^EQ^medici^&prod=DS&cmpgn=medici&annot=false&sameTabLaunch=false&o=APN12174&installSource=other&browser=Chrome&darkMode=false&ueid=c9f15a23-fe48-488e-8ff7-32b794cf8467&doi=2022-09-28

Dave1291 · October 24, 2023

More on blue. You might want to let it run cause it's pretty insane what shakes out w/the other stories. Per ESPN

What's legal, what's illegal in NFL spy game

Mike Sando, ESPN Senior WriterSep 13, 2007, 03:00 AM ET

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Week after week, NFL scouts seated in stadium press boxes train their binoculars on coaches responsible for sending in defensive plays via hand signals. They watch intently and whisper what they see into small audio recorders.

"Ten minutes left in the second quarter, third-and-7, right hand to shoulder, back down to hip, up to hat."

NFL's no-video rule

The "Game Operations Manual" states that "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." The manual states that "all video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead." NFL security officials confiscated a camera and videotape from a New England video assistant on the Patriots' sideline when it was suspected he was recording the Jets' defensive signals. Taping any signals is prohibited.

Scouts funnel these observations to their teams' offensive coaching staffs, hoping to link the opponents' defensive signals to specific blitzes, fronts and coverages.

It's all legal under NFL rules, with one stipulation: absolutely no video recordings allowed.

The illegal tactics the New England Patriots evidently employed Sunday against the New York Jets -- capturing signals and corresponding audio with a sideline camera -- might have allowed the Patriots to sniff out blitzes had security officials not intervened, scouts and coaches said.

"With the computer and video technology, you can dial it up at halftime," an AFC personnel evaluator said. "You can say, 'This is their such-and-such blitz. We'll give you the signal, the code word, and let you know it's coming.'"

Others weren't so sure.

"Would you trust the information?" an NFC general manager asked. "There is so much room for error. Why bother?"

Still, there has been a concern in the league for the past couple of years about the escalation of spying based on the technology available.

Take, for example, the use of radio helmet technology that is supposed to cut off the communications between the sidelines and the quarterback when there are 15 seconds left on the play clock. Teams might seek to illegally extend that communication time through use of a walkie-talkie that taps into the radio frequency of the helmet. Thus, a late shift in defensive coverage could be relayed to the quarterback, who could then audible to an appropriate play.

And while teams can legally take still photos on each play that help in the in-game analysis of formations and alignments, the addition of illegal video might enhance that analysis and provide a faster processing time.

However New England was planning to use its video, it allegedly wasn't the first time.

Green Bay officials removed a New England cameraman from the sideline during the Patriots' 35-0 victory at Lambeau Field last season. As word filtered through league channels, Indianapolis officials were suspicious enough to remove all non-network cameras from the RCA Dome before the Colts and Patriots played in the most recent AFC title game, scouts said.

Against that backdrop, the NFL nearly voted for arming select defensive players with radio headsets, removing the need for hand signals. The matter may be brought up again in the wake of the Patriots controversy.

Existing rules entitle scouts to press box seats for games involving their teams' next two opponents. Scouts monitor hand signals for information that could help their coaching staffs during games, but it's unclear how much the information impacts the outcome of games.

"You can only talk [into the recorder] so fast and then to try to come up with the gestures they are doing, it's tough," an NFC scout said. "They do it fast. They are used to doing it, the linebackers are used to seeing it. Half the time I didn't get it."

Capturing hand signals on video would facilitate a more thorough analysis. Teams could more confidently differentiate between dummy signals and real ones by determining over time which ones correlated with on-field actions. Teams could show the video to players as a teaching tool. And they could make more informed adjustments, at least in theory.

Late last season, the Miami Dolphins claimed to have solved the Patriots' audibles by studying audio tapes of quarterback Tom Brady making calls at the line of scrimmage. Brady branded those claims a "crock" at the time and said the Dolphins wouldn't have gained an advantage anyway.

Scouts familiar with the recent spy controversy said New England's camera featured a small but powerful microphone designed to pick up audio from the Jets' defensive huddle. The NFC scout said the Patriots also could have gained an additional advantage by piping the audio and video into their offensive coaches' booth.

Some coaching staffs take greater care to disguise their signals, scouts said. Others show less concern, holding up two fingers to indicate Cover 2, for example. Scouts have noticed some defensive coaches sending in two numbers, one for the front alignment and the other for the coverage or blitz.

"We are just looking for blitzes or games up front," the NFC scout said, echoing what others said. "Some guys hide it, some guys do not. Maybe they switch it up a little, but these [players] aren't all rocket scientists. It takes some of them six weeks to get down one signal."

Mike Sando covers the NFL for ESPN.com. John Clayton also contributed to this report.

What college football coaches are saying about sign stealing

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BEFORE JAMIE GRANT entered the Florida House of Representatives, he was a former high school football player working on the equipment staff for the Auburn football team in the early 2000s. But his responsibilities extended beyond loading and unloading the bus.

He also assisted the coaches, helping run drills in practice. Somewhere along the way, a member of the staff approached him with an opportunity to be the third ball boy on the visiting side of the field during games.

Never mind that Grant didn't know a single thing about the job. The staff was more interested in his knowledge of the game as a former player. The other two ball boys would handle the grunt work. He just needed to act the part, steer clear of the referees and keep his eyes and ears open.

"I was going to hold two footballs and my only job was to try and pick up intel," he said.

When it comes to sign stealing in college football, a consensus among coaches about what is unequivocally wrong is hard to find. Grant said Auburn tried to decipher signs only in real time. Because of that he never felt like they were crossing the line.

But talk to enough coaches and you'll find shades of gray when they search for a competitive advantage. Paranoia is rampant, rationalizing the kind of behavior American Football Coaches Association executive director Todd Berry said is, at the very least, unethical.

Ethics in college football. Imagine that.

"There's honor amongst thieves," a former SEC coach said. "Want to turn someone in? Fine. But you better make sure no one in your building is doing anything remotely resembling cheating."

Last Thursday, the Big Ten confirmed that the NCAA is investigating Michigan for an alleged off-campus sign-stealing operation. Coach Jim Harbaugh denied any knowledge or involvement in plotting to steal opponents' playcalling signals by sending representatives to their games. The supposed ringleader of the operation, an analyst named Connor Stalions with a military background, was suspended by Michigan with pay, pending the outcome of the investigation.

On Monday, ESPN reported that Stalions purchased more than 30 tickets to 11 different Big Ten venues over the past three years. Sources said the alleged sign-stealing operation includes both video evidence of electronics prohibited by the NCAA to steal signs and a significant paper trail.

Several Big Ten coaches noted to ESPN the difference between in-game signal scouting versus advance scouting, which ultimately launched the NCAA probe of Michigan. Coaches' attitudes between the two are sharply different.

ESPN surveyed coaches in the aftermath of the news out of Michigan to see what they thought. Some were aghast at what Michigan is accused of doing. Others shrugged their shoulders. A Big Ten coach said, "If they were sending people to live-scout and film, that's bulls---, then they should catch hell."

But another coach with Big Ten and SEC experience asked what the big deal was in practical terms. Between the TV broadcast, coaches' tape and what fans film with their phones and post online, the coach said there's more than enough footage that's accessible without ever leaving the office. "Anything that happens in the public eye hasn't gone too far," the coach said. "To be honest, I can watch TV copy [of] two to three games and get everything I need."

Sign stealing, whether legal or illegal "is incredibly rampant in this business," a longtime Power 5 assistant said. Ohio State defensive coordinator Jim Knowles told ESPN in December that he estimates 75% of teams do it in some form. NCAA rules don't directly ban stealing signals, but they prohibit using electronic equipment to record signals and ban off-campus scouting of future opponents.

Berry, whose organization includes more than 10,000 members, has lectured coaches about stealing signs. "Quite honestly," he said, "I don't think it's OK." But he acknowledged that improvements in technology have made it so much easier to access information than in the past.

"I'm going to admit to this," said Berry, who was last a head coach at Louisiana Monroe in 2015, "I would have fans that would go to opponents' games and film their sidelines and film just on their phones, their smartphones, and then send me that stuff." But, he added, "I didn't look at it because that was wrong."

Berry said you can call coaches paranoid.

"But I will tell you this: Anybody that denies it and says, 'Oh, nobody's doing that,' that is ridiculous. That's silly to even think that."

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THE NCAA'S INVESTIGATION into Michigan did not generate much surprise around the Big Ten. Although signal stealing is somewhat common around the league, some coaches said Michigan had been pushing the limits.

"No one's that good," a Big Ten coordinator said.

Stalions also had appeared on other teams' radars. Big Ten coaches said they had seen him on the Michigan sideline in their games, often positioned next to the defensive coaching staff. They suspected what he was doing.

Another Big Ten coach added of Stalions: "Everybody knows he's the guy." But he and other coaches, both within and outside the conference, said any scouting operation involves more than one person.

A Big Ten coach said he and the staff decided to hold back what they did in their annual spring game, mindful of who could be in the stands. Another Big Ten coach said his program has kept film off of its internal server because of a potential hack.

A coach said he "didn't feel good" about playing any game near Michigan's campus because of who could be filming his sideline.

"We knew about it," he said. "We started changing our signals."

Said one Big Ten coach: "The game day [signal stealing] is just part of it. That's why everybody [tries] to hide it. It's just part of the deal. But sending people to games and doing it that way is flat-out wrong, which is why this has caused a pretty big stir. It's not supposed to be that way."

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HOW FAR ARE coaches willing to go, exactly? There have been accusations of employing lip-readers and taking advantage of sympathetic referees. Coaches worry that their headsets have been hacked. Everyone on the sideline is subject to scrutiny.

The teams that have a reputation for pushing the boundaries are well known, as are the individual coaches and staff members who are considered gurus. A source rattled off the name of a Group of 5 linebackers coach and Power 5 offensive line coach who are well-versed in the dark art of deciphering signals. Going into certain games, the source said he'll warn coaches, "You need to be prepared for this."

When LSU played Clemson in the 2020 College Football Playoff, sources said the staff suspected Clemson of sending people to scout them in the SEC championship game and Peach Bowl. Brent Venables, then Clemson's defensive coordinator, has long been the focal point of sign-stealing speculation, according to multiple sources, though no one has publicly accused him of anything illegal. After LSU's first three offensive drives ended with three punts and one first down, sources said a frustrated coach Ed Orgeron told offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger, "Change it up." Upon changing signals, LSU scored touchdowns on five of its next six drives.

It was hardly the first championship game in which a team allegedly cracked an opponent's code. During the 2013 BCS National Championship Game, Florida State receiver Kelvin Benjamin was heard in the TV broadcast telling quarterback Jameis Winston that Auburn assistant Dameyune Craig, who was on the Seminoles' staff the previous year, was "calling all the plays" FSU was running. Coaches brought out towels to shield the signalers in the second half and went on to outscore Auburn 24-10 to come from behind and win. A victorious coach Jimbo Fisher acknowledged their signals were stolen -- and couldn't have cared less. "That's our fault," he said. "You've got to change them. ... That's part of the game." Fisher rehired Craig in 2017 and brought him to Texas A&M, where he remains on staff today.

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Grant, the Auburn ball boy, said it usually took him about a quarter to figure out who was the dummy signaler and who was live. From there, it was as simple as matching signals to plays. He recalled a game against USC when he picked up on their naked boot call. "He'd kick his heel and tap his ankle," Grant said, comparing it to an exaggerated cowboy gesture, spurs and all.

The only problem? The staff member he relayed the signal to either forgot or ignored him, because USC ran a naked boot and QB Matt Leinart hit the receiver for a big gain.

So, cracking the code doesn't always yield results. Coaches need to act on the information and players have to execute. Even then, it's not guaranteed success.

"Where's the line?" Grant asked. "If it's out in the open, I think it's OK."

A former SEC coach said there's an expectation you're being watched at all times, including opponents sending spies to spring games and open scrimmages.

Some teams push the boundaries more than others, but ultimately coaches say it's not hard to tell when you've been skunked.

A former head coach said it's simple. If a defense blows up your bubble screen three times in a row, chances are they have your number and you better switch things up and hope your players don't get confused.

"Look, we're all trying to compete and everybody's trying to find that advantage," a source said. "And if the advantage is that the guy that's on your sideline can watch their sidelines and pick it up ... at some point in time, you got to be better at hiding your signals. That's just all there is to it. I mean, if we're going to live in a world where signals exist, you've got to hide them."

BUT WHAT IF we don't have to live in a world with signals?

Depending on what level of football you're talking about, that world already exists.

"It's 10:56 right now," an industry source said. "They could call CoachComm [which produces headsets for nearly all of the FBS] and have this fixed by 11. They could overnight helmet speakers to every school by the end of the day."

Berry's frustration built slowly over the course of a half-hour conversation, starting with mild annoyance over coaches' shenanigans and ending with outright anger over the NCAA's inability to take up the solution staring them in the face.

"This is too easy a problem to solve," he said.

You don't want to use a speaker in the helmet like the NFL does with quarterbacks? Fine. Some coaches have suggested that it would put no-huddle offenses at a disadvantage because the quarterback would have to audibly relay the play call to teammates. Administrators, meanwhile, have expressed concerns about forcing every school to wear the same helmet.

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Instead, Berry said, they could utilize a wearable technology independent of the helmet like PitchCom, which is currently used in professional and college baseball, that every player on the field would have access to. And he said that it wouldn't necessarily allow offenses to go faster, which is what some defensive-minded coaches fear. "We've done all the testing on it," Berry said, "and by the time that you punch in those things on your laptop on the sideline or your iPad or whatever you're going to end up utilizing, it takes about the same amount of time [as signaling]."

As Berry pointed out, colleges already use both forms of technology in practice. High schools use it, too. So maybe the obvious excuses of cost and implementation don't hold water.

"If you want to clean up what's going on at Michigan and every other school, put a transmitter," a longtime official said. "The NCAA talks about losing the warranties on the helmets. With the USFL, XFL, NFL, with transmitters, it does not lose the warranty. I don't care what it costs, we want it. Clean up the game, make it more professional. It's just technology."

SEC coaches discussed utilizing in-helmet communication this spring, but it ultimately went nowhere, sources said, after two main points of contention were brought up: possibly voiding the warranty of helmets and not being able to use them in nonconference games. Big Ten coaches have discussed installing helmet communication, which several support. They were told cost, reissuing warranty and liability language on the helmets could be a stumbling block.

In recent conversations with Bill Carollo, the Big Ten's longtime coordinator of football officials, he has strongly advocated for the use of helmet technology to limit signal stealing.

"We were able to play a COVID year, but we aren't able to put transmitters in headsets?" a Power 5 coach said. "C'mon. You look at sideline technology, you go to high school football games, they all have sideline technology. They're watching video in-between series, they have it just like the NFL. We have none of that. Of all the games, we're the worst right now. It's weird. It really is weird."

Berry said there's ample support among coaches to make the change, and the NCAA committees he's spoken to seem open to the idea as well. All they need is a demonstration of the technology, he said. But he's been unable to get that accomplished, given the attention on name, image and likeness and transfer portal.

"We have so much crap going on -- and you can quote me on that -- that we can't see the forest through the trees," Berry said. "Every meeting I'm at, something takes all the oxygen out of the room. There are some things that are really, really simple like this one, boom-boom, it's done.

"It's been a problem for a long time. We need to resolve it."

Full Range · October 24, 2023

The simple takeaway from the post above
Looks to me as cheating

The win at all cost is a flawed concept

If one team can’t win on their merit then “try again and again “ until you are at that level to do so

Dave1291 · October 25, 2023

Ahhhhhhh, a bit more news on the blue fiasco. This time it's video from Columbus Ohio's 10TV on last years game blue won handily... Me thinks they're toast but we'll see.

https://www.10tv.com/article/sports/michigan-staffer-connor-stalions-video-sidelines-2022-ohio-state-michigan-game/530-8e72838f-ac44-46cb-9e91-a55ce429b315?ref=exit-recirc

JJkizak · October 25, 2023

Steeling signals has been going on for a long time. That can be thwarted by calling a double signal---signal that your going to throw the ball but what it really means is a run. Then it could be predicated on the defense that the opposing team is in to go to a third option automatically. But I don't think that football players are that cerebral. Then again a ten deck stack stopped counting cards---maybe.

JJK

Dave1291 · October 26, 2023

@JJkizak

I know of several ways to stop sign stealing. I've watched it happen at OSU with different teams that were known/suspected to steal them. I've watched both Coach Day and Urban do different things that tripped up other teams.

This level is an entirely different story. The dude went to blue and the Naval Academy and into the Marines. He was hired by ichigan as an assistand and worked with the Defensive Coordinator. If you look at the last post from 10TV in Cbus it will tell you the story. That tape is now in the hands of the NCAA.

The dude bought two tickets to the OSU and Penn State game. One on each side of the field and video taped the plays from the other sideline. So blue gets the entire game tape to study and he plugs in his video w/the cards showing and they've got everything they need for both teams. It's not rocket science. There are also a couple other things that haven't been released publically yet.

The two prior years it happened too. OSU got hammered big time by blue. Look at last year. Seriously? You're gonna tell me blue won that big w/o help from somewhere?

Coach Day has lobbied for in helmet audio for the last 3 years to no avail with the B!G. NOW it might happen.

Whatever shakes out will shake out. As fans all we can do is wait to see what they come up with to solve the problem.

Harb's could be gone and a lot of forfeits in the future so now we just wait.

JJkizak · October 26, 2023

12 hours ago, Dave1291 said:

@JJkizak

I know of several ways to stop sign stealing. I've watched it happen at OSU with different teams that were known/suspected to steal them. I've watched both Coach Day and Urban do different things that tripped up other teams.

This level is an entirely different story. The dude went to blue and the Naval Academy and into the Marines. He was hired by ichigan as an assistand and worked with the Defensive Coordinator. If you look at the last post from 10TV in Cbus it will tell you the story. That tape is now in the hands of the NCAA.

The dude bought two tickets to the OSU and Penn State game. One on each side of the field and video taped the plays from the other sideline. So blue gets the entire game tape to study and he plugs in his video w/the cards showing and they've got everything they need for both teams. It's not rocket science. There are also a couple other things that haven't been released publically yet.

The two prior years it happened too. OSU got hammered big time by blue. Look at last year. Seriously? You're gonna tell me blue won that big w/o help from somewhere?

Coach Day has lobbied for in helmet audio for the last 3 years to no avail with the B!G. NOW it might happen.

Whatever shakes out will shake out. As fans all we can do is wait to see what they come up with to solve the problem.

Harb's could be gone and a lot of forfeits in the future so now we just wait.

The thing that bothers me is if OS is third and long everybody (including me) knows they are going to pass. Then even if the defense knows the exact play on who the prime receiver is the quarterback has to check down to the next one. The blitz will be coming anyway. Just wondering what good it does to know the signals.

JJK

Ceptorman · October 26, 2023

I say get better at hiding your signals.

Full Range · October 26, 2023

28 minutes ago, JJkizak said:

The thing that bothers me is if OS is third and long everybody (including me) knows they are going to pass. Then even if the defense knows the exact play on who the prime receiver is the quarterback has to check down to the next one. The blitz will be coming anyway. Just wondering what good it does to know the signals.

JJK

Percentages are always higher when one is prepared

So it’s not just the signals per say or the fact that the blitz is coming

It’s the fact that the thief goes one better and trains to defeat or shut down a set play rendering it null and void

Dave1291 · October 26, 2023

4 minutes ago, JJkizak said:

Just wondering what good it does to know the signals.

It's like buying insurance. Something will stop the drive if you know what's comingl.

Saw an update this morning from a meeting last night in Ann Arbor. It seems as though the ticket purchases and expenses showed up in Stalion's name on blues puter system, which makes it all the more damming for the program. One thihg you can take to the bank is that Penn State & OSU are changing ALL of their sideline signals when the play blue.

I DO KNOW after last year's beat down by blue OSU smelled a rat. This all points to what happened in that one hour timespan before the Natty. Since OSU smelled a rat they called in the dogs from the State and did a sweep of the stadium for ANYthing that looked suspicious. They got a hit too.

Each team gets one PRIVATE hour inside the stadium to work on whatever they want to. OSU ran ONE play that day ONLY in the stadium. It was an all out get the score type of play. NO ONE knew about it but the Coaching staff. That was the play OSU used tried to use to win the game. It didn't work and was defensed perfectly.

The hit they got during the stadium sweep? An un-attended video camera in the area of the press box that was left running. It was taken down and turned over to the NCAA by the team from the State of Ohio that found it. Have to remember OSU is a state supported school.

Now factor in the beat down of OSU on their home field by blue, and factor in the evidence of Channel 10's video footage of the game I posted right above this post what do YOU think?

I'm not saying that Georgia pulled something last year but I know for a fact the camera was found. It was reported as being found un-attended by several media outlets.

My thoughts on it all.

17 minutes ago, Ceptorman said:

I say get better at hiding your signals.

That was done before and worked perfectly. It's how we beat Clemson 49-28 in 2021 at New Orleans. I know how it happened too but that's for me to know and you to worry about. So simple Dabo and his boys couldn't figure it out. That dude of his was good too. Epic fail.

billybob · October 26, 2023

If they know or guess they know, it is all about the execution for both... Bobby

Dave1291 · October 26, 2023

Another thing to take into consideration is the first 3 games of the year that Harb's was suspended for? That was punishment handed down by U of M and NOT the NCAA. They haven't ruled on the original 4, yes four, counts yet.

Factor this in? Something is gonna shake out and I think sooner rather than later. The B1G is looking pretty bad right now in the eyes of the OTHER two teams they're talking about adding to the Conference. The just added two this year and planning, so I've heard, 2 next year. So they win the Natty? Then what?

It might be a laffer now but if you factor this debacle into the program and they wind up forfeiting seasons instead of games??? It would have a HUGE impact on U of M. THEN factor in Harb's no fault contract clause? Rumor has it Harbs wants the Bears NFL job that's supposed to open up after this season if the rumors are correct.

Just rambling along while I grin just a bit.

Kinda like my rambling about the B1G eliminating tailgating a couple years ago? Guys laffed. Guess what? Starting THIS weekend you can support either team playing wherever they're playing in your own B1G school's private tailgating area.

Yes Sir, you buy a ticket and eat w/all ur monied up buddies in style. It's going to start across the board in the BIG so buckle up sports fans and pay the piper!

Next year? Such a smooth operation if you just offer that tailgate menu w/your ticket price. Put it on your card and worry about it later. A man's gotta eat! 4 dogs, np, like wavy chips or bbq chips? How many beers to wash it down with? Sure we can do that just gimme that string of numbers and they're yours when you get your phone scanned. Pay up boys it's a comin! 😂

Dave1291 · October 29, 2023

Read 'em and weep. Michigan had a bye week so nothing to report. lol I DID talk to a close friend of Shemmy Schembechler yesterday afternoon. Shemmy joined Harb's staff last summer then just bailed for no reason before the season started. Shem's a great guy just like his Dad was and I wondered about it alll when I heard it. Do the math is all I'm gonna say. He also said Harb's 60, wants a Natty and will be going back into the NFL somewhere as a head coach post season.

Here we go:

College football top 25 schedule, scores for Week 9

Saturday, Oct. 28

Dave1291 · October 29, 2023

Here's the AP Poll: https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-football-poll

Dave1291 · October 30, 2023

HUGE news outta Ann Arbor!

It really was a BYE week for blue! 😂😂😂

https://www.wsj.com/sports/football/jim-harbaugh-michigan-contract-sign-stealing-21d5e1b6?fbclid=IwAR3OGvIc0TwANubYvojXdgDR-mWW1RQy7X95bBs3INJiJdSmHaJf5mwCbas

Dave1291 · November 1, 2023

https://www.espn.com/college-football/playoffPicture

Dave1291 · November 2, 2023

The sign stealing incident is getting better. It seems as though Ohio State's coach Ryan Day's brother has an internet security firm Word on the street is his brother found the damning info on michigan and turned it in to the B1G. Could be possible but no one is saying anything positive yet.

In other news frorm yesterday, the weekly coaches conference held with the B1G commish afterwards Coach Harbaugh was asked to hang up, which they say he did. Then 5 coaches in the conference call unloaded on the Commisioner about the cheating scandal, which has supposedly gone on for 3 years. This was reported by ESPN.

In the three years that Stalions left a paper trail of purchasing tickets to games of michigan opponents, the wolverines have gone 33-3 overall and 22-1 in Big Ten play. In the prior three years, they were 21-11 overall and 16-8 in league play.

Overall, Stalions has purchased tickets to more than 35 games in at least 17 stadiums over the last three years, ESPN reported. michigan suspended Stalions the same day ESPN reported he was the center of the investigation. Also a former Division III coach told ESPN he was paid by Stalions to video games at multiple Big Ten schools.

TODAY, ESPN analysts are swingng the other direction. It's almost like they just realized that ESPN cut the ties w/the B!G long ago and they just realized there is only 1 SEC team in a path to this years Natty playoffs. lol

Dave1291 · November 5, 2023

Saturday, November 4, 2023

MATCHUP		RESULT	PASSING LEADER	RUSHING LEADER	RECEIVING LEADER
1Ohio State	@ Rutgers	OSU 35, RUTG 16	Kyle McCord189	Kyle Monangai159	TreVeyon Henderson80
12Missouri	@ 2Georgia	UGA 30, MIZ 21	Carson Beck254	Cody Schrader112	Ladd McConkey95
Purdue	@ 3Michigan	MICH 41, PUR 13	J.J. McCarthy335	Tyrone Tracy Jr.61	Roman Wilson143
4Florida State	@ Pittsburgh	FSU 24, PITT 7	Jordan Travis360	Trey Benson97	Ja'Khi Douglas115
5Washington	@ 20USC	WASH 52, USC 42	Caleb Williams312	Dillon Johnson256	Tahj Washington122
California	@ 6Oregon	ORE 63, CAL 19	Bo Nix386	Jaydn Ott93	Tez Johnson180
23Kansas State	@ 7Texas	TEX 33, KSU 30 (OT)	Will Howard327	Jonathon Brooks112	Adonai Mitchell149
14LSU	@ 8Alabama	ALA 42, LSU 28	Jayden Daniels219	Jayden Daniels163	Malik Nabers171
9Oklahoma	@ 22Oklahoma State	OKST 27, OU 24	Dillon Gabriel344	Ollie Gordon II137	Rashod Owens136
Texas A&M	@ 10Ole Miss	MISS 38, TA&M 35	Jaxson Dart387	Quinshon Judkins102	Tre Harris213
11Penn State	@ Maryland	PSU 51, MD 15	Taulia Tagovailoa286	Kaytron Allen91	KeAndre Lambert-Smith95
Virginia Tech	@ 13Louisville	LOU 34, VT 3	Jack Plummer141	Isaac Guerendo146	Jadon Thompson49
15Notre Dame	@ Clemson	CLEM 31, ND 23	Sam Hartman146	Phil Mafah186	Beaux Collins37
16Oregon State	@ Colorado	ORST 26, COLO 19	Shedeur Sanders245	Damien Martinez115	Travis Hunter98
UConn	@ 17Tennessee	TENN 59, CONN 3	Joe Milton III254	Jaylen Wright113	Squirrel White94
Arizona State	@ 18Utah	UTAH 55, ASU 3	Bryson Barnes161	Ja'Quinden Jackson111	Devaughn Vele56
19UCLA	@ Arizona	ARIZ 27, UCLA 10	Noah Fifita300	Jonah Coleman77	Tetairoa McMillan81
21Kansas	@ Iowa State	KU 28, ISU 21	Jason Bean287	Devin Neal57	Lawrence Arnold112
24Tulane	@ East Carolina	TULN 13, ECU 10	Michael Pratt213	Makhi Hughes105	Lawrence Keys III77
Army	@ 25Air Force	ARMY 23, AFA 3	Zac Larrier93	Bryson Daily170	Wyatt Wilson47
Arkansas	@ Florida	ARK 39, FLA 36 (OT)	Graham Mertz282	Raheim Sanders103	Andrew Armstrong103
Wisconsin	@ Indiana	IU 20, WIS 14	Braedyn Locke243	Jackson Acker48	Bryson Green96
Nebraska	@ Michigan State	MSU 20, NEB 17	Katin Houser165	Emmett Johnson57	Montorie Foster Jr.94
Jacksonville State	@ South Carolina	SC 38, JVST 28	Spencer Rattler399	Ron Wiggins88	Xavier Legette217
Campbell	@ North Carolina	UNC 59, CAM 7	Drake Maye244	Omarion Hampton144	Ezeriah Anderson102
Kennesaw State	@ Sam Houston	SHSU 24, KENN 21	Keegan Shoemaker242	Michael Benefield108	Noah Smith78
Georgia Tech	@ Virginia	GT 45, UVA 17	Haynes King208	Jamal Haynes119	Malik Washington109
Navy	@ Temple	TEM 32, NAVY 18	E.J. Warner402	Xavier Arline97	Zae Baines132
Florida Atlantic	@ UAB	UAB 45, FAU 42	Jacob Zeno484	Kobe Lewis80	LaJohntay Wester219
UTSA	@ North Texas	UTSA 37, UNT 29	Chandler Rogers272	Kevorian Barnes129	Blair Conwright75
South Florida	@ Memphis	MEM 59, USF 50	Byrum Brown357	Byrum Brown100	Roc Taylor159
Louisiana	@ Arkansas State	ARST 37, UL 17	Jaylen Raynor194	Zak Wallace88	Peter LeBlanc129
Illinois	@ Minnesota	ILL 27, MINN 26	Luke Altmyer212	Kaden Feagin89	Isaiah Williams131
Iowa	@ Northwestern	IOWA 10, NU 7	Brendan Sullivan81	Leshon Williams79	Bryce Kirtz33
Merrimack	@ Massachusetts	MASS 31, MRMK 21	Taisun Phommachanh104	Greg Desrosiers Jr.162	George Johnson III36
Houston	@ Baylor	HOU 25, BAY 24 (OT)	Blake Shapen263	Donovan Smith66	Samuel Brown86
UCF	@ Cincinnati	UCF 28, CIN 26	Emory Jones217	RJ Harvey164	Braden Smith114
James Madison	@ Georgia State	JMU 42, GAST 14	Jordan McCloud307	Jordan McCloud104	Elijah Sarratt87
Coastal Carolina	@ Old Dominion	CCU 28, ODU 24	Ethan Vasko180	Ethan Vasko170	Sam Pinckney69
Auburn	@ Vanderbilt	AUB 31, VAN 15	Payton Thorne194	Jarquez Hunter183	Rivaldo Fairweather62
Charlotte	@ Tulsa	CLT 33, TLSA 26 (OT)	Trexler Ivey277	Anthony Watkins146	Jairus Mack124
UL Monroe	@ Southern Miss	USM 24, ULM 7	Billy Wiles200	Frank Gore Jr.131	Dariyan Wiley137
Hawai'i	@ Nevada	HAW 27, NEV 14	Brayden Schager203	Landon Sims65	Dalevon Campbell88
Georgia Southern	@ Texas State	TXST 45, GASO 24	TJ Finley301	Jalen White159	Joey Hobert141
Louisiana Tech	@ Liberty	LIB 56, LT 30	Hank Bachmeier304	Quinton Cooley179	Noah Frith96
Middle Tennessee	@ New Mexico State	NMSU 13, MTSU 7	Diego Pavia220	Nicholas Vattiato96	Eli Stowers83
Marshall	@ Appalachian State	APP 31, MRSH 9	Joey Aguilar226	Rasheen Ali68	Kaedin Robinson55
UNLV	@ New Mexico	UNLV 56, UNM 14	Jayden Maiava247	Jacory Croskey-Merritt86	Ricky White165
BYU	@ West Virginia	WVU 37, BYU 7	Jake Retzlaff210	Jahiem White146	Parker Kingston57
Utah State	@ San Diego State	USU 32, SDSU 24 (2OT)	Jalen Mayden265	Lucky Sutton86	Terrell Vaughn91
Kentucky	@ Mississippi State	UK 24, MSST 3	Devin Leary156	Ray Davis80	Tayvion Robinson91
SMU	@ Rice	SMU 36, RICE 31	Preston Stone217	Preston Stone81	Jake Bailey73
Miami	@ NC State	NCSU 20, MIA 6	Tyler Van Dyke173	Mark Fletcher Jr.115	Kevin Concepcion61
Western Kentucky	@ UTEP	WKU 21, UTEP 13	Cade McConnell214	Elijah Young139	Kelly Akharaiyi141
Stanford	@ Washington State	STAN 10, WSU 7	Cameron Ward241	Justin Lamson54	Josh Kelly82
Boise State	@ Fresno State	FRES 37, BOIS 30	Mikey Keene290	Malik Sherrod132	Mac Dalena85