fini Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I know it's one of Mark's favorites, and I haven't heard it yet, and I'm broke, but I could somehow possibly convince myself to become broke-er (eventually paying for it by selling other stuff, you know the process), if this is too unbelieveably good to pass up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkrop Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Where is the console that wraps around that amp? I've had my eye out for one of those, can't say why, because I don't know, but I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted September 1, 2004 Author Share Posted September 1, 2004 'Cuz they're purdy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 For $700 ?? What are you waiting for ?? You could easily turn the piece on eBay for a profit if you end up not liking it. I will caution you though this will sound very different then your consoles LOL !! Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 BUY IT! needs a little work probably (new caps etc.) but that is a fabulous amp! as craig says you can flip it at a profit. visit this site for information about the amp and upgrades, jim is THE guy for these amps: http://pages.prodigy.net/jimmcshane/citpage.htm regards, tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Fini, There is a Citation restoration/repair specialist down here in Socal. Howard Bardach is the second generation owner of www.audiospecialist.com. He is also a Citation collector. His shop is a great place just to visit and look at his collection. Howard checked over and did some minor repairs on 2 pairs of Dynaco A-25 speakers for me. Very reasonable prices and a great guy to talk with. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Isn't that on the ten best of all time list? Sure looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Fini, you have to ask?! Sheesh! Ok, here's the STANDARD PROCEDURE: 1) get the article in question 2) plug it in 3) turn it on 4) seek nirvana via appropriate source material 5) post review of the amount of nirvana achieved by article in question (numeric scales 1-10, etc. are an acceptable substitution) There ya go! DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 It was on my list of things to try, but got redlighted after I got the QUADs in my system. I don't think I've ever run across one negative comment about them. Looks nice, and the price is definitely a plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Nice find, Fini. It's an amzing amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Thanks for the comments! For those who have heard this amp, how would you describe the experience, compared to other amps? What sets the Citation II apart? Is it approprate for someone such as myself, still unfamiliar with amp tweeking (i.e. will it require frequent adjustments, etc.)? This would be driving my 1980 Klipschorns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ki Choi Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Fini: I've been driving my K-horns with Cit IIs most of the time and remainder with Heathkit W5M's. Why I like Cit IIs for Khorns ? - People talk about the world class output trannies on Cit IIs that make the amp special. I am not a tranny expert but there's something special going on with the Cit IIs compared to the W5Ms and more modern SET amps such as Bel Canto SET40 35w/ch single ended triod. A word of caution though... with the highly sensitivy Khorns, there are high chances that you would hear low level hums from the Cit IIs. As you upgrade the componets with SDS power boards and McShane mod kits, it improves but Cit IIs are never dead quite. I have the hum from all three Cits IIs in my set up and one of my good friends in Portland has a Cit II with the latestest McShane mods and SDS boards but he hears the same low level hum through his Khorns as well. BTW, both SET40 and W5Ms are dead quite with Khorns even with my ear right next to the drivers. However, even with the flaws, I still end up playing the Cit II for my two channel critical listening set up. It's the music with more real bass and there's more tube magic (the famous second order harmonic distortions - very pleasing to my ears). That's what's different about the Cit IIs compared to all the other amps I have tried both tubes and SS. One remedy for me was to use the long wall for my Khorns and seat very far away (~25') to minizise the hum I hear. I know it's there but have learned to live with it. Ki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Yes, I guess that could be a problem. The Khorns are (will be) 16 feet apart (wall to wall) on the short wall. I just got off the phone with Clipped & Shorn (remember him???), who echoed the same concerns. The seller is pretty sure this was kit-built. A call to Howard (thanks, ChrisK) confirms that most Citation IIs were kit-built (not that that is a bad thing, just interesting). I am thinking I will pass on this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 you should give contact info to b-board members who might want to buy this unit...it would be great with corns, etc. regards, tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ki Choi Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Yeah... I could use another Cit II... even with the hums. Fini, you should get the amp. Judging from its pictures, the amp is worth more than the asking price for certain (or should I say I paid a lot more for my Cit IIs that were not in as good of conditions as the one here). If it doesn't work out for you, you can alway unload it without any financial loss. Until you hear both good and bad characteristics of the Cit II and make up your own mind, you are short changing yourself! My 2 cents. Ki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Fini, A friend of mine is driving a pair of LaScalas with a fully modded Cit II (Jim McShane) and it is dead quiet. So I guess that it's a matter of luck how noisey it will be, or who performed the mods (in his case, it was another friend of ours who built the crazy Sakuma amps). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 ---------------- On 9/2/2004 2:00:55 PM Ki Choi wrote: Yeah... I could use another Cit II... even with the hums. ---------------- Ki, I think you should back off a bit! Buying something else just may push your wife over the edge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 http://www.craigslist.org/pen/ele/40590949.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Any properly working and in reasonably good shape Vintage Power amp can and should be near dead silent. No luck involved if its noisy it needs help. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 Maybe I should send my 500c to you, Craig! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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