Btrigg Posted November 14, 2001 Share Posted November 14, 2001 Dbvader, I hope those aren't in order of importance. As for me, if I became insanely rich, I'd have a bentley, ferarri of some kind, escalade, and the viper venom 800. My audio system consists of all I have heard or read about, I bet there is better. The insane system would have the krell mra and mrs, the Egglestonworks Ivy or Martin Logan Statement E2(never heard either dont know which is better), with a Theta Casablanca II, and a Meridian 861. The TV would be a pioneer $20,000 insane flat 60" plasma proscan, or one of those new Zeniths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lee Posted November 15, 2001 Share Posted November 15, 2001 www.3dss.com has posted their own initial review of the Z560's. Check it out. ------------------ You must learn the ways of the Promedia's, young grasshopper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted November 15, 2001 Share Posted November 15, 2001 sounds more like a ProMedia 4.1 vs Logitech Z-560 review to me LoL! But that is really what i wanted. i agree with mark on just baout every part as i have heard the Z-560's. Kinda confused me though when he went on about how it was teh best sounding and best over all sub for a multimedia system, then saying that the ProMedia, MM2000, and SIccoro's are just a little better than the Z-560's. Oh well. I want LogiTech to make say a Z-660, 500 watt 5.1 system. Probably cost around $250 max. ------------------ -justin I am an amateur, if it is professional help you want email Amy or call her toll free @ 1-888-554-5665 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeGuy15 Posted November 19, 2001 Share Posted November 19, 2001 Holy crap, listen to this review: ------------------ If you are in the market for a high-end 4.1 speaker system, the Logitech Z-560 is the system to buy. We tested it head-to- head with the Klipsch Pro Media 4.1's, and even Logitech's own Xtrusio DSR-100's, nothing comes close. The Z-560's deliver solid, wall-shaking bass, and crisp, clear midrange. The speakers are attractive, well made, and handle anything you can throw at them. Logitech has created a speaker system that offers ease of installation, excellent features, and a price that just plain kicks ***. The $300 price tag of the 4.1's seems just plain ignorant when compared to the $200 retail price of the Z-560s. Who would have thought that a company known for mice and joysticks would suddenly kick Klipsch right in the nuts, and offer a monster audio system for considerably less cash? I'm sure the guys at Klipsch are asking themselves that same question right about now. This Christmas, treat yourself to something nice. Get some Z-560s and you'll even have enough money left to buy your girlfriend something, too. ------------------ http://www.maximum3d.com/reviews/z560.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted November 19, 2001 Share Posted November 19, 2001 i too read that today, got the link fro mteh 3DSS.com website. One thing i would like to note about that company is this. They are a reveiw site dedicated to 3d imagery, not 3d sound. they reviewed 2 sound cards in two years and 1 speaker system. So, what can they say that means anything? That site is why we need 3DSS.com. A site that knows the ins and outs of the 3D computer AUDIO world. These ppl must be pretty ignorant themselves to roast the Klipsch's... never a good idea ------------------ -justin I am an amateur, if it is professional; ProMedia help you want email Amy or call her @ 1-888-554-5665 Klipsch Home Audio help you want, email support@klipsch.com or call @ 1-800-KLIPSCH RA# Fax Number=317-860-9140 / Parts Department Fax Number=317-860-9150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewn Posted November 20, 2001 Share Posted November 20, 2001 Well, Logitech is well known as keyboard/mouse manufacture and suddenly they made computer speaker and all review said it better than Klipsch? I doubt it. I won't believe that reviews out there before I listen to the Logitech myself Klipsch has a lot of audio experience and Logitech(??) just now.. and they're the winner??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeGuy15 Posted November 20, 2001 Share Posted November 20, 2001 "These ppl must be pretty ignorant themselves to roast the Klipsch's" Generally I would agree. A lot of these reviewers are ignorant and don't really go in depth but there's one thing you cannot ignore.... they clearly said they performed a head-to-head comparison with the Promedias 4.1 and the old X-trusio DSR-100. "Klipsch has a lot of audio experience and Logitech(??) just now.. " Logitech has been making decent PC speakers for quite a while (like the old DSR-100). I believe they out-sourced the design of the DSR-100 to a specialist company. Also they recently acquired Labtab who has been a specialist PC manufacturer for the last decade. I suppose they used all these resources to design the new Z-560. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted November 20, 2001 Share Posted November 20, 2001 when i said they were ignorant to roast the Klipsch's, i meant it.... well, i meant that sometimes the fact that something fr much less sonuds as good as something else that costs much more kinda gets to their head. LogiTech has been making decent comptuer speakers for a while, but not long enough to compare to Klipsch. they have been making speakers longer than they have been making decent ones, the earlier one stunk... LoL! ------------------ -justin I am an amateur, if it is professional; ProMedia help you want email Amy or call her @ 1-888-554-5665 Klipsch Home Audio help you want, email support@klipsch.com or call @ 1-800-KLIPSCH RA# Fax Number=317-860-9140 / Parts Department Fax Number=317-860-9150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2v Posted November 21, 2001 Share Posted November 21, 2001 Well, first of all I've heard the Bose systems in store, and they're alright. However, compared to my Pro's, their $2,000 system doesn't compare sadly. As for Cambridge Soundworks, their DTS series is just plain sad, I won't even go into that. I would love to hear these new logitechs, and will probably end up buying them if my Klipsch system goes bad one more time. I do find it hard to believe that anything could beat the Klipsch Promedia system for under 300 bucks. Brian ------------------ Brian Brian@n2v.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btrigg Posted November 21, 2001 Share Posted November 21, 2001 Right now most people have narrowed it down to giving them away. There is no way they can make much of a profit if any for that price. Good for consumers though. Logitech is not being hurt by this, they just aren't benefitting from the sales of the speakers. Nice to see competition though, Klipsch might do something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lee Posted November 21, 2001 Share Posted November 21, 2001 Just thought I'd repost on these speakers. Have any of you heard Michael W. Smith's album "Freedom"? If not, purchase it. Its completely instrumental. I had the title song playing so loudly that my monitor was getting jacked up. There were lines wiggling around on my screen. When I turned my volume down, something that my ears were crying for, the monitor was back to normal. These speakers continue to amaze me. ------------------ You must learn the ways of the Promedia's, young grasshopper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btrigg Posted November 22, 2001 Share Posted November 22, 2001 Ok, so they didnt implent the magnetic shielding of the sats right, like you said, that is amazing. There is one issue to having these for $115, I think small flaws of these speakers will appear in the next few months as people use them, I'm still amazed by the price they are selling for, there have to be little things like the magnetic shielding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma43q Posted November 22, 2001 Share Posted November 22, 2001 considering the fact where i came from, logitech is just another common product brand. even if it is THX certified, it is not going to sell well enough. talking about klipsch is even worse. promedia is nearly non-existance here in malaysia. anyway, considering the amount of money i am going to pay for a logitech, i will still go for the promedia. i have read the initial review on the z-560 in 3dsoundsurge. it is impressive alright. but it doesn't say anything that it will blow the promedia away. performance (sound quality in certain fields) is very very close to the promedia or on par or even slightly better. but it still comes down to the buyer. do you want to spend USD 199 on logitech or USD 299 on promedia???? or wait for creative megawork 510D estimated to a USD500? of course looking down at the price, logitech is a good buy. but i see no specs on thos speakers yet and i am waiting for someone to review the set , open up the mdf woofer cabinet, and see what's inside. . i have open up my promedia 4.1 to look at inside. .. nice layout and good enough components and i have found the source of all the heat perhaps its time for some more thermal paste. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeGuy15 Posted November 22, 2001 Share Posted November 22, 2001 "LogiTech has been making decent comptuer speakers for a while, but not long enough to compare to Klipsch" Computer speakers and large hi-fi speakers are completely different beasts. If you're able to design decent hifi-speakers it doesn't mean you'll be able to design quality computer speakers. Take JBL for instance. Oh yeah, Logitech has been designing and making computer speakers for much longer than Klipsch! "Ok, so they didnt implent the magnetic shielding of the sats right, like you said, that is amazing. " Nah thats a volume problem. When an aperture grill monitor is rattled (like by loud music), the image will "sway". There's nothing you can do about this except turn down the volume. When a speaker isn't magnetically shielded, you'll get VERY noticeable colour shifts on the screen even when the speaker isn't plugged in. All computer speakers (including the Z-560s) ARE shielded. Its an absolute MUST. "performance (sound quality in certain fields) is very very close to the promedia or on par or even slightly better. but it still comes down to the buyer. do you want to spend USD 199 on logitech or USD 299 on promedia???? i will still go for the promedia." OK this makes no sense what-so-ever. If the Logitech is better (or even has the same quality) and costs US$100 less (US$184 to be accurate) how stupid would you be to buy the Promedias?! Oh BTW, this is what Gamepen had to say about the Z-560s.. "Of course they do, but are they better than the Klipsch? After comparing the two, the answer is an absolute and positive "yes"! Considering the Klipsch speakers didnt perform as well when compared to the Logitech ones, the price that the Z-560s come in are just phenomenal" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin_tx_16 Posted November 23, 2001 Share Posted November 23, 2001 someguy15, have you heard, felt, touched, inspected and all the rest to the z560's and the promedia 4.1's? i have. logitech has been making computer speakers longer, but until this and a few models before, they were just pitiful, headphones on a stand. you say that age does not matter... well experience in th emaking of audio equiptment does matter, klipsch has much mroe experience. if someone wants to s------------------ -justin I am an amateur, if it is professional; ProMedia help you want email Amy or call her @ 1-888-554-5665 Klipsch Home Audio help you want, email support@klipsch.com or call @ 1-800-KLIPSCH RA# Fax Number=317-860-9140 / Parts Department Fax Number=317-860-9150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Blank Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 I agree with renegade on the first page. He said 4.1s rule, period. Then he showed a little smilie dude puking on Logitech. I am still laughing at that. Promedias own logitech. They are the highest quality I have heard heard. Highs, midrange, and bass, they are by far the best and the loudest. ------------------ I'm a well-wisher, in that I don't wish you any specific harm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeGuy15 Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 " i did, i tested BOTH systems and decided ont eh 4.1" Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't u buy the 4.1s and then test the Z-560s. Wouldn't you be just a little biased? I'm sorry but such bias can change your perception a lot. Just take a look at this BB and the couple of times people were rocking up saying that the Crossfires weren't as good as the v2-400s because they owned the v2-400s. And experience doesn't count when it comes to very low-end audio equipment. Do you actaully think several thousands of dollars was poured into R&D for the Promedia range?! "if someone wants to sI'm just surprised at the entire post. It mentions that the Logitechs may sound even better than the Klipsch he's still willing to pay up to 3 times more for the Klipsch. Doesn't that just seem a little weird to you? "Promedias own logitech" OK. Whatever you say. Klipsch definately was an outstanding player in the multimedia speaker market and probably started this whole quality PC speaker revolution but others have caught up and are making a killing. Logitech makes a system which goes just as loud (some report even louder), has better bass and sounds just as good for 1/3 of the price of the Promedias 4.1s The Creative 210D is $100 more expensive than the Promedia 2.1s but according to Mikael at 3DSS, they sound even better than the Crossfires. The Pro 2.1 don't even approach the Crossfires. And we have Polk and Monsoon, the "audiophile" speakers. If you want to debate this, go to 3DSS and talk to Roj. He has heard the Promedias, Polks and Monsoons and his opinions will shock you. Its now Klipsch's turn to play catch-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lee Posted November 24, 2001 Share Posted November 24, 2001 Wow. An intelligent and discerning post. My hat is off you to SomeGuy. ------------------ You must learn the ways of the Promedia's, young grasshopper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btrigg Posted November 25, 2001 Share Posted November 25, 2001 The thing with the megaworks is that gamespot put them as bad at high volumes. Of course they definately aren't audio experts, but they said the midrange and overall quality was better than all systems at medium volume, but when they were pushed, they lost all that quality. The logitech is an impressive system, with better midrange, and a better overall sub, stop arguing this. It's amazing they can sell them for that cheap. For all u people saying u like Klipsch sound more, your just saying that because u know the pros have been beat. It's hard for me to say that considering I just bought the 5.1s (at least the sub is still better) but it is true. The pros have the advantage of a lower sat xover, asthetics, and possibly a LOUDER sub, but thats it. Those advantages (if u ignore the disadvantages) are not enought to pay 3 times the price, at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Lee Posted November 25, 2001 Share Posted November 25, 2001 Incredible! Two intelligent posts, right after another even. I can feel the IQ going up! J/K. ------------------ You must learn the ways of the Promedia's, young grasshopper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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