stormin Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 So, who's got the heaviest amp? That question might be funnier than you avatar[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted January 9, 2006 Share Posted January 9, 2006 Jeff,I have the HK hooked to my klf20's and its really all they need.The HK is 90x 2 in two ch mode(7x75) and is more than enough power for the 20's,and I like to crank it sometimes and still have lots of headroom..The HK does music and HT/sacd/dvda all with authority.I've had a slew of avr's,at least the top 10 sellers(around 1k)and their specs are bogus.When you see 120x7 in an avr,and for sure at 1$k its bs,75 real watts beats "fuzzy math"anytime.Overall the HK would be hard to beat with the 20's(with all its capability)unless you step up to mid high end and spend a few $k.So,I guess you could say I'm happy with it,or it would be outahere. I had the HK hooked to my 7's for a l ittle while and the sound quality was there,they sound great.The only shortcoming would be if I was really in a mood to crank it.The 7's really tax the amps at volumes we should never listen to but sometimes can't resist(you know,when the bass slams and you duck).The 5500 would be over kill for sure on the 20's,not sure why,maybe the midrange horn but they seem louder to me.For a speaker like the 7's the 5500 does fine,for 3way Klipsch its prolly overkill.Once or twice I've set off lights on the 5500,they barely blink at 115db,once or twice a year.The 5500 would never approach clipping on the 20's unless you want the cab to explode. The margin of difference is really relative to demand,at any volume you could listen to for long there is little difference.Only when you approach dangerous levels can you tell the difference.The real deal on sound is in the pre amp,it can make or break any amp.My Rotel w/the 5500 easily outperforms the HK in all aspects and 2ch is like toe tappin musical.The Rotel and Klipsch give the 5500 the opportinity to be its best and its class A at listening levels.One odd thing is it takes about an hour to really bloom,my B&K took about 30 minutes. Well....thats the most my finger ever typed,hope it made some sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hey, Stormin. Be careful not to take all that I say as some categorical representation on my part. I tend to speak that way, but that's often due to a point I'm trying to make.... Maybe you should be careful not to speak that way. That seems a bit more fair, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkot Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 So, who's got the heaviest amp? With special regards to my friend, Paul. me...me... pick... me!! 7 nad amps(3 2600's fronts/center) (4 2400's rear/rear surrounds). 1 pevey 2 channel(subs) 325 pounds 9000 + peaks jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Now that I went back to all Rega (amp, pre-amp & cdp), the sound is very much tube-like again. Slam is nice, but my old ears can't take the pounding anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hey, Stormin. Be careful not to take all that I say as some categorical representation on my part. I tend to speak that way, but that's often due to a point I'm trying to make.... Maybe you should be careful not to speak that way. That seems a bit more fair, doesn't it? No apologies from me. Especially, if it's only a "bit" more. To err just a bit would save me a substantial amount of keystrokes in trying to qualify everything I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxg Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Oh no!!!! I did not start this Jeff - you are just a loon of the first order. The old weight as an indication of quality adage (and it is old) has truth only under certain specific circumstances. Really high quality power supplies and capacitance banks could have been chosen because they are relatively small physically for their capabilities. Manley amps, for example, use really high quality components that are remarkably small for what they are - and they charge accordingly. My old tube amp was heavier than any 2 Manley's put together (probably) but I would not claim it to be a better amp because of it. It just used cheaper but heavier components. I say this despite the fact that in the weight/watt ratio I would probably have won. My old amp was 25 KG (about 55 lbs) with a separate power supply that was 14 kg (about 31 lbs) - all for 60 wpc. It would also play for about 2 minutes after the power was turned off. It was a good amp - for sure - but not the best by any means. In fact the supplier has replaced that amp now with a newer and lighter version - that is better sonically (and more expensive). It also happens to look a whole lot better in my book - and it is a true monoblock as opposed to the old one which had a shared power supply A safer basic rule of thumb would be to say that if it cost $500 new and promises 80+ WPC driving 7 speakers it is probably not got the biggest and most capable power supply behind it (unless it is a digital amp - those things have a whole new set of rules). In other words - think logically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Oh no!!!! I did not start this Jeff - you are just a Loon of the first order. In other words - think logically. No, Max ....he's a Drummer ....[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 Oh no!!!! I did not start this Jeff - you are just a loon of the first order. The old weight as an indication of quality adage (and it is old) has truth only under certain specific circumstances. In other words - think logically. Hey, I get to kid around, too. You didn't think I was dead serious on that, did you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hey, Stormin. Be careful not to take all that I say as some categorical representation on my part. I tend to speak that way, but that's often due to a point I'm trying to make.... Maybe you should be careful not to speak that way. That seems a bit more fair, doesn't it? No apologies from me. Especially, if it's only a "bit" more. To err just a bit would save me a substantial amount of keystrokes in trying to qualify everything I say. Fine by me. I didn't think an apology was called for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hey, Stormin. Be careful not to take all that I say as some categorical representation on my part. I tend to speak that way, but that's often due to a point I'm trying to make.... Maybe you should be careful not to speak that way. That seems a bit more fair, doesn't it? No apologies from me. Especially, if it's only a "bit" more. To err just a bit would save me a substantial amount of keystrokes in trying to qualify everything I say. Fine by me. I didn't think an apology was called for... Oh, I thought maybe you got mad or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2RockU Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Oh no!!!! I did not start this Jeff - you are just a Loon of the first order. In other words - think logically. No, Max ....he's a Drummer ....[] Ok, Duke ...be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 Duke's gotta be a guitarist. There's always been this unspoken "tension" between the drummer and the guitarist, and the poor bass player..... loves the beat but plays strings...... so he never really knows where he fits in. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Duke's gotta be a guitarist. There's always been this unspoken "tension" between the drummer and the guitarist,] howja know ........???......[:$] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 10, 2006 Author Share Posted January 10, 2006 I just knew. Hey, what about the PM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 What's the difference between a drum machine and a drummer?You only have to punch the information into the drum machine once! What do you call someone who hangs around musicians?A drummer. How many musicians does it take to make a jazz quartet?Three, plus a drummer. A drummer walks into a shop and asks for a set of guitar strings. The guy behind the counter says "you're a drummer, aren't you?". The drummer says "Yes I am, how did you know?". The guy behind the counter says "because this is a damn newsagent!". How can you tell a drummer's on the doorstep?The knocking speeds up, and he doesn't know when to come in. How do you get him off the doorstep?Pay for the pizza. What do 7-11 coffee and Ginger Baker have in common?They both suck without Cream. How do you know when the stage is level?When drool comes out of both sides of the drummer's mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted January 11, 2006 Author Share Posted January 11, 2006 LMAO! Who has the guitarist jokes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whtboy Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 haha that's hilarious. c/t... i haven't been following the headroom/power-supply weight conversations very closely, but in case no one else has mentioned it, i wanted to say that traditional EI transformers weigh more than toroidals, but are considered inferior for a lot of reasons - http://www.bryston.ca/newsletters/85_files/vol8is5.html my 75Wx6 (yeah right, how's that going to happen with a 200W power supply???) yamaha has a small EI. -jacob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 What is the first sign you're Halluncinating?Two electric guitar players are playing in tune. What do you call in "in-tune electric guitar"?An oxymoron. What do you call a "Clean Shot"?When you can throw an electric guitar into the toilet without hitting the seat. What's the difference between a guitar player and a Certificate of Deposit?The CD will eventually mature and make money.How do you get 2 electric guitar players to play in perfect unison ?Shoot one of them.Did you hear about the heavy metal player who locked his keys in the car?He had to break the window to let the drummer out!What's the difference between Rock music and a machine gun?The machine gun only repeats 10 times per second. What's the difference between an Electric Guitar and an onion ?No one cries when you cut up an Electric Guitar. In the Heavy Metal Band of the future there will be two animals, a Heavy Metal "Musician" and a dog. The "Musician" will be there to feed the dog, and the dog will be there to bite the "Musician" if he tries to play anything. Why does an Electric Guitar Player leave his case on the dashboard ?So he can park in the handicapped zone. How many Electric Guitar players does it take to change a lightbulb ? Five. One to change it and four to discuss how Eric Clapton would have done it.What's the difference between a lawnmower and an Electric Guitar?You can tune a lawnmower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 A jazz musician enters a diner and asks, "How's the apple pie?". The waitress looks in the pie case and seeing that they are out, turns and says, "The apple pie is gone, man." The jazz musician replies, "Cool, let me have a slice of that crazy pie!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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