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Busy, almost forgot; when you look inside (if you have not isolated the problem by that point), pick up the speaker and gently turn it upside down, side to side. Don't shake it...... If the glue's dried out and there is a loose brace (I've seen it before on a pair of WO H-II's), that could also be vibrating around in the enclosure. The internal braces on the H-II vs the H-I were glued, not glued and stapled a' la' H-I. Also, pull out the terminal block on the back and check and make sure that the crossover components are tight and none of the "pieces" have broken off the little plastic poles, or come loose from the hot glue that was used to stick them on the plastic. Replace the gasket.....

Are they "used" from eBay, etc.? Assuming the test CD is good, your amp's good, etc. Number of things you can do to "narrow it down". First, swap speakers from left to right, put the "culprit" on the other side, etc. See if the other one does it now. If so, check and make sure they are sitting "square" on the floor or shelf. It could be resonating with whatever it's sitting on. Move them around and see if that helps. If so, put a small rolled up piece of duct tape on the bottom of the riser, or in each corner of the bottom panel, and see if that makes it less, or makes it go away. Finally, as a matter of routine (especially if you obtained them used, check and make sure the woofer retention screws (and the others) are tight. If not, pull the woofer and check and see if the woofer was removed and the gaskets are now not intact. Look inside (replace the woofer gaskets after this), and see if the "foam" piece is in there. If not, put a piece in and see if it goes away; it's a "foam rubber" 25" x 12" x about 3/4". Hope that helps.

They are a great source! Got a copy of Carl Orff's - Carmen Burana (EMI) by London Symphony few weeks ago. Excellet recording. Was only $11.

Generic "eBay" 1/2 HST. Very cheap, also tested it with a battery and a meter just to make sure it wasn't some "looks ok but bad batch" stuff.

Most members of the forum generally know how to avoid scams and frauds on the internet. Every year, especially during the Christmas season (which pretty much starts now), we have a number of internet fraud problems reported to the agency I work for here in south Florida. We've done press releases in the past, etc. to try to help those members of our community unfamiliar with the problems posed by scam artists and frauds. Not to offend anyone, or their level of sophistication, below is an edited version of that release. Anyone who has additional tips, ideas that can help folks, etc., Please feel free to post them, add to this thread, etc. Hopefully, together, we can help someone (especially a Forum member)avoid being the next victim. _____________________________________________________ "Internet Scams.... Don't Be The Next Victim! Simple recommendations to avoid them from (local law enforcement agency). As we approach the holiday season, there will be a dramatic increase by criminals to use the internet to defraud you, steal your "accounts" and "passwords", or even worse, steal your identity. Many "scams" or frauds on the internet often seem to come from an internet sales company that you might have done business with in the past, or more commonly now, from on-line auction sites like eBay. Auction sites like eBay are great places to look for things you want or need, but there are some basic security practices that we would like for you to consider. Hopefully, you will not become a victim of a fraud, and your "trips" to eBay and other on-line auction sites will be safe and enjoyable! Before we give you some pointers on good security practices for online auction sites like eBay, let's point out a few very basic computer security practices that will greatly reduce your chances becoming a victim of an internet scam or fraud. First, if you don't have an internet security & antivirus program, we recommend that you consider obtaining one. Windows' itself has come a long way with their "firewall", but it is only the first "wall" in defending your computer and the information it contains! There are a number of very reputable security software vendors, and it is well worth the price of the software and their annual subscription. Second, and we know it's an inconvenience, don't ask "Windows" to save your "usernames" and passwords. While many people "save" the user name and password, we strongly recommend you don't do so for any reason. If someone "hacks" your computer, they will find the usernames and passwords you have saved. Don't write down your passwords in a document on the computer, they can be found if someone "hacks" the computer. If you cannot remember these things, write them down on a piece of paper, or a "post-it" note, and keep them in a convenient place near your computer. Third, many legitimate websites offer the option of "saving" your password for you, or offering to "keep you logged in" every time you visit their site. Never do that, and whenever you are asked for your username and password, make sure the website name where you are going to "log in" has an "https://" in front of the web site name. If it does not, don't go there! Fourth, when you "visit" any website, avoid giving out your email address, name, or any information that can identify you for "special offers", or to be placed on a "subscription" list, or similar requests. Lastly, if you are not using your computer, get "off line". Staying connected is a very poor security practice. If someone "hacks" your internet provider, they can "see" your computer. If they can "see" your computer, they can attempt to get into it. For eBay users, if you have not already done it and you intend to use eBay, we recommend that you go to the eBay site and create an account with a username and a password. Again, don't save the username and password on your system. Another problem you can also have is that if you are not "logged" on to eBay, you are vulnerable to being "redirected" to fraudulent sites when searching. Also, and often overlooked, are the eBay security instructions and "safe practices" on their website. We suggest that you read them. If you suspect something is wrong, or do not feel comfortable with someone that's selling you something, send them an eBay email. If they are legitimate, they will respond to you on the eBay system. Typical scams involving eBay usually involve "spam" or email messages from a fake "ebay" seller or buyer, offering to sell you something as a "second chance", or "off-eBay"; or wanting to buy something from you that you were looking for during a search. Never respond to these emails or offers. If you do, it is quite likely that you will be redirected to a fraudulent website that will attempt to access your computer. Legitimate eBay "second chance" offers will be in your eBay "mailbox". As far as reporting what you believe are attempts to defraud you, we understand that most people in our community probably don't have the time to send all of these 'spam' messages, attempts to get you to log on to fraudulent sites, requests for "personal" information, etc., to eBay security. If you don't have the time, simply delete them from your in-box. Never open them! If you do have the time, and we encourage this, log onto eBay and report them to their security department. It helps eBay investigate where they are coming from, and ultimately will help protect you and your account. Unfortunately, if you believe you have been "scammed", or defrauded, report the incident to (your local law enforcement agency). If law enforcement does not have information about these scams and a reliable idea of how bad the problem really is, they will not be able to consider dedicating valuable resources to going after the offenders. Another good reason to report these instances, is that if eventually someone is caught and prosecuted, particularly in the US, having a law enforcement report with documentation of your losses can contribute to the case, and you might be entitled to restitution. ____________________________________________

dtel: you have email via the forum email system

I'm quite confident that Michael (Colterphoto1) can help you out much better than I can; As a note on the wires, I just re-did my LaScala crossover to driver wires with some CL3 rated (shielded) 14/2 pieces, used silver solder; and while my ears are not that good, I'm sure that probably meets or exceeds the specs.

Absolutely report it to eBay. They do file FCC complaints on the spoofers if they are in the US, and Dept of Justice is going after them outside the US. Ever since eBay went "public trading" on NYSE, they are getting much more responsive and sensitive to the problems. Worst one lately is Paypal; within an hour of paying for anything by paypal, you could get the same spoofs for about a month. Anybody "burned" by a spoofer needs to report it to local law enforcement and if you are not happy with their actions, report it to the Feds. Remember this golden rule of law enforcement.... If the problem is not on record, then it's not a problem. The squeaky wheel gets greased applies!! I work in law enforcement... The important thing is to raise as much hell as practical about the problems. email your congressional reps, etc.

Ben, that would certainly explain the original Heresy #8, or "the rarest Klipsch speaker" on display in Museum. The "H" next to it is the "smaller dimension". (photo) I think that, in a way, we're trying to take PWK's eventual Heresy (as we know it), and obtain the bass we want or think it oght to have. After much "foolin around", I've finally kept the Heresy's away from the Klipschorns and LaScalas. They don't mix very well, except under certain applications (and even then well away from the "big boys" and not in any "array").

Huhm.... Wonder why the E2 crossover is mounted on the side panel on the H-I's. Was it a some method of disrupting resonance? I've gone back through forum posts back to 2001 on bass issues with Heresy's, and the only common "thread", architecturally speaking, seems to be some type of fill, sealing vs not sealed, etc. One interesting thing that also comes out several times has to do with placement and the use of risers. I'm also wondering about an actual reduction in cabinet volume (Shallow Heresy's....) and an experiment using some removable pieces of styrofoam board, or some expanded closed cell foam gasketing material, etc.. Off to the garage to see what I have and I'll see what I get from a pair of 1977 HWO's with fresh BEC caps, K-22's, K-55's and K-77's. Anyone interested in some of the historical posts on this topic just type: Heresy + Bass.

With respect to Murphy's Inverse Law of Perverse Principals, after a few beers, some of my buddies can type just like monkees....[<)][co]=[]

We just installed it as an upgrade on the office systems with Symantec's System Works & I-net Security running, etc; no problems that we've been able to detect.

Interesting, I had not heard that before. Does that apply to conventional single sheet thick on studs type of construction only. I'm working with an architect getting ready to design a new house, and am looking at "treatment" of a room using two layers, first of greenboard, then gypsum or sheet rock, isolated from the studs. I don't want to unintentionally "kill off" bass on the Klipschorn's due to sheetrock problems, or will the method I'm looking at probably take care of that problem?

Erik, sorry, the post "posting" thing gets posts all crossed up out there in the short wave ether of space and time.... You could be right about aperiodic issue. On the H-II's, I wonder?... Reason: The rear board is quite thick, routed to fit, and sealed, and because of the horns and woofer ring gaskets on the driver board it appears they wanted the cabinet to be sealed. But then again, the H-II is where the foam piece is found. I'm also wondering if Klipsch did not simply go for the 50% rule on the H-II's where it helped at least half the time and simply put that foam in all of them. The worst H-I "offenders" I have run across were ones with the braces that were not cut exactly to flush fit against the others, or in one case crooked where the rear panel fits! That left a gap in some of the corners, and on one pair, I simply ended up knocking out the old ones, re-cutting new ones, etc. On "sealing", I've stayed away from silicone, etc. because of the vapors. Only exception is a dab of GE black silicone around the heads of the screws on the woofer rings. A little "detailed" maybe, but there can be a leak around the screw's shaft passing through the large hole in the gasket. It peels off easily though. I always just use a good quality woodworker's glue. Old Heresy's seem to be an art more than a science!! I do wonder what does the H-III look like inside? Until they reach about 20 years, I'll likely never save up enough pennies to spring for a pair just to look!!!

RFP; I sent you an email via the Forum

Interestingly, the factory "stuffed" at least some Heresy-II's. It's a piece of sponge foam/ foam rubber, about 25" long by about 12" wide, by about 3/4" thick. I've found this in a number of the H-II's I've seen (and taken apart...). It is folded in a "curve" and looks like, if you can picture it, a dome that wraps around the top of the driver and horn extending down to the floor of the cabinet on both sides. I've taken it out on some, put it back on others, and tried it on H-I's. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but I think it's possibly related to where the speaker is placed. It seems to works best when the speaker is up on a bookshelf near the walls, or corners. The bass is perhaps not "bigger", but it sounds somewhat "cleaner". Heresy placement can be tricky. The biggest bass improvement on the old, say pre-86', Heresy's I've found has been to check the inside panel seams and brace seams. Usually the wood, and the glue holding everything together has dried out and they can "leak". After re-beading all the seams with glue, and especially on the H-I's by putting a 1/2" wide thin foam weather strip around the access panel where it seals to the braces. It seals them again, and on a couple of ocassions, the difference has been very noticeable. Hope that helps a bit.

Michael, OT: you have AOL mail

If you are so inclined, you could consider making a nice custom one from 1/2 (or even 3/4) BC plywood (that's the kind that has a fairly nice smooth side) for about $100-$125. Figure, $25 for the plywood; $25 for some 1" x 2" for braces, $15-20 for some "edge banding" or 1 x 1/2" for the front decorative edges; and $10 for some stain/sealer, or varnish to match your decor. Get some 2" swivel wheels, figure your weight will be about ~150 pounds, and it makes it easy to move around to connect stuff, clean out the dust "bunnies", etc.

Have been a member of this "august and distinguished" forum for about 7 months now, I have read many posts, made a few..., met some interesting folks, and hopefully, made a few friends. My wife and I (she reads over my shoulder alot...) have observed that there are quite a few different "personalities" on the forum. Seeing as how everyone sees themselves different, here's an old story. Read it, and see who you think you most identify with! Are you the Judge, the Lawyer, the Trooper, Farmer Clyde, Ansel (the poor old mule) or just plain old Blind Justice....? "A poor farmer named Clyde had a car accident. He was hurt a bit, and after much consideration, decided to sue the truck driver's company. In court, the trucking company's fancy lawyer was questioning Clyde. "Didn't you say, at the scene of the accident, "I'm fine," asked the lawyer. Clyde responded, "Well, I'll tell you what happened. I had just loaded my favorite mule, Ansel, into the..." "I didn't ask for any details", the lawyer interrupted. "Just answer the question. Did you not say, at the scene of the accident, 'I'm fine?" Clyde said, "Well, I had just got Ansel into the trailer and I was driving down the road...." The lawyer interrupted again and said, "Judge, I am trying to establish the fact that, at the scene of the accident, this man told the State Trooper on the scene that he was "just fine". Now several weeks after the accident he is trying to sue my client. I believe he is a fraud! Please tell him to simply answer the question." By this time, however, the Judge was fairly interested in Clyde's answer. He turned around, and pointed to the statue of Blind Justice in the corner of the courtroom, and said to the lawyer, "I'd like to hear what he has to say about his favorite mule. It seems Counselor, that Clyde has something important to say, and in the interest of the court, and in Justice, we should hear him out". Clyde thanked the Judge and proceeded, "Well as I was saying, your Honor, I had just loaded Ansel, my favorite mule, into the trailer and was driving down the highway when this huge semi-truck and trailer ran the stop sign and smacked right into my pick-up truck right in the side. I was thrown into one ditch and Ansel was thrown into the other. I was hurting, kinda bad, and didn't want to move. However, I could hear ole' Ansel moaning and groaning. I knew Ansel was in terrible shape just by the groans and I knew ole Ansel just wasn't going to make it. "Go on", said the Judge, who by now was very interested. "Well", said Clyde, "Shortly after, a State Trooper came up. He got out of his car and I know he could hear ole' Ansel moaning and groaning so he went over there first. After he looked at Ansel, he took out his gun, your Honor, and shot Ansel right between the eyes!" Clyde stopped for a moment, looked at the Judge, at the lawyer, and carefully over at the Trooper who was sitting in the back of the courtroom, and continued, "Then the Trooper came over across the road, gun in hand, looked at me, and said "How are you feeling, boy?" Clyde looked around again, especially at the lawyer, and concluded with, "Now what the heck would you say?"

"Cracker Cowboy" style in South Florida; Good heavy coating of "Everglades Seasoning" mixed with some honey to keep it "stuck". We also use "squeezins" - sliced up oranges and grapefruits off the trees in the back yard - in a pan of water in the smoker to make sure everything stays moist.

Three years ago my wife was quite seriously injured in an auto accident which has left her in with permanent problems & pain, and significant discomfort when trying to lat down to sleep. After the surgery that cut nerves in her spine in the neck area to stop the head pain, the jaw surgery for that "arena" of pain, we're now finishing up with the other surgical stuff for the lower back and left leg pain problems. We removed the box springs and placed the matress (a max firm "Sleep Eze") on a piece of 3/4" plywood sheet on a frame I built. She's still not comfortable alot of the time, but it's getting better. Sometimes she's comfortable on her side, on a blanket on the floor, with a pillow between her legs. She tells me that the trick is to make sure that her head is "even" with her spine. Hope that's of some assistance.

My wife and I (and the kids!) wish everyone on the Forum a great and joyful Thanksgiving. From our hearts, and appreciation to all. May everyone be blessed in some way today.

Smashed and chopped fresh garlic, chopped fresh cucumbers, some (but not many...) fresh picked and thin chopped habanero's; all mixed with sour cream, spooned on some Ritz whole wheat's; Fire in the Hole! but a great appetizer!

Gary, at least you, Larry, and others have figured out some great methods of keeping the finish looking great without having to resort to the re-laquering, etc. May they continue to shine! Have great Thanksgiving!

Duke Spinner is correct in that it should not happen; but LarryC is probably quite correct about old laquer. Pair of 77 HWL Heresy's that I picked up a year or two ago had water rings from the previous owner's plants.... They had sat, according to him, in a well lit room with lots of sun. The "water" bead test worked on the "non-sun" side, but not very well on the tops. Also over a period of 20+ years, exposure to the sun, wiping down, dusting with a cloth, etc. could very well wimply wear the very thin layer down. Old pair of LaScalas I have had the paint literally worn off the lower part of the 400 horn. It seems that every week, the previous owner's wife had dusted/ wiped them off, eventually removing the paint! Happy Thanksgiving to all!!