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  1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum#Necroposting
  2. (The below is necroposting, I'm aware...but it's important to note): This is what happens if the drivers are time aligned, the phase response of the entire loudspeaker is flattened via careful crossover design, and the horns/drivers have ~90 degree horizontal coverage vs. frequency. Beyond that, it gets down to lower harmonic and modulation distortion drivers (AM distortion on the woofers, FM distortion on the HF drivers). This is what can happen to your Klipsch Jubilees if you take the time to carefully time-align K-402/KPT-KHJ-LF bass bin two-way Jubilees with improved compression drivers. It's amazing what results from these simple changes, IMHO. Chris
  3. One solution for this type of problem (and I hope someone in engineering management in Indy is reading): https://www.ansys.com/services/reliability-engineering-services This kind of systemic problem plays havoc with the brand. Anything electronic should have at least periodic supplier surveillance sampling/testing and accelerated life testing before release of product. (The design engineers on the products probably already know this but management alone makes these kind of decisions.) I suspect that reliability engineering training or external support isn't currently occurring in that product division. What's good for Klipsch customers is good for the brand, and in turn good for the longevity and profitability of the company (not a historical "AudioVox approach" if you know what that means). It could save the enterprise over the longer haul especially if the company continues to move into powered and wireless loudspeakers, etc. I believe this is one of the biggest areas for growth--but only if the products are bulletproof (in terms of reliability) to firmly establish the brand in that market segment. It doesn't have to cost more, in fact, it costs less once a dramatic decline in warranty failures is experienced (as it will be). Chris
  4. Consider what would happen if Mr. Guttenberg did listen to your dialed-in Jubs. He would most likely have two possible outcomes: 1) they sound terrible to him--like old PA horns, or 2) they sounded better than anything else that he's heard before. Both cases are bad. In the first case, he would have dedicated the better part of a day to having to break the bad news to you (and he produces at least one YouTube video per day, plus writes for a magazine). This would be a lose-lose proposition. However in the second case, I think it would be much worse (for him). How could he put any image of them on his daily video, telling his subscribed following that they probably were the best sounding loudspeakers he's ever heard (...and there's good reason to suspect this will be the case, as you probably already know, Erik). He's already gone out on the limb supporting CW IVs, etc. He would potentially lose a part of his audience if he did this because of the people that shop for loudspeakers by the way that they look instead of the way that they sound. Or he says nothing online. That's not good--in that word may get around that he's pushing only smaller loudspeakers that home hi-fi loudspeaker companies make, and isn't an "honest broker". (This is worse than having to tell you that they're terrible sounding, I think.) I suspect that he's waiting until Roy dresses them up a bit so he can say that he's heard another "good home hi-fi product from Klipsch". Then go on to say that "they're not for the common audiophile (or words to that effect) to dismiss them for the rank-and-file audiophiles he's basically talking to online that buy small loudspeakers based [basically] on looks alone. Chris
  5. My condolences. But I wonder why you would take the time to write about your expectations of new improved Jubilees (in any format) if this were the case already? In my experience all very high fidelity loudspeakers are large, expensive (relative to your present loudspeakers) and take a dedicated space of sufficient dimensions and acoustic properties to realize their acoustic performance. I can enumerate some of those other loudspeakers that are in this class of performance as the Jubilee, but I think you might already have an idea how large and demanding of room acoustics that they are. The Jubilee in my experience already costs far less, occupies much less physical and visual space, and demands far less in terms of room size and acoustic properties than those other much higher cost and sized/shaped loudspeakers. I'm not sure what you might expect that Roy can do to improve upon that. I think he already deserves an award for what he's accomplished. Only one other loudspeaker manufacturer that I know of has come close, IMHO, and there are acoustic compromises that accompany their offering, as well as 2x higher costs. There are things that can be done to dress up the K-402 visual presence already, as MikeTN and Kudret have both already demonstrated with their Jubilees. Simply using a KPT-305 box with its existing internal K-402 and substituting a 2" high frequency compression driver would go a long way toward that same goal, and the box could easily be fabricated in veneered ply to improve its appearance over "basic black" DuraTex finishes. This would only marginally increase the cost of the overall Jubilee, and not increase the size of the stacked loudspeaker: KPT-305 Midbass Module Chris
  6. Mike, it's the best choice I've made in audio--by far. By the words you used in your post just above, Mike, I'm guessing that it's very possible that you might have misunderstood my last comments. I contrasted Neil's comments with how I make decisions about loudspeakers (...as I'm sure he understood, since he's clearly a smart guy). No crusades are needed to save the downtrodden. My main rig is quite important to me, maybe more important than many/most others that invest in Klipsch loudspeakers. (If Neil gets to say how he makes decisions about loudspeakers, I figured I did too--on the outside chance someone might have wondered.) When we first saw our current house for sale in 1999 (we bought it, of course), my wife saw the lake from the backyard and the spiral front staircase...but I saw the den (my current listening room) and the full corners on either side of the fireplace with 9' ceiling. While there were other issues with the house that we've since addressed, I knew at that moment that room would be my hi-fi room once I came back to the pastime, which I'd put on hold for ~15 years at that point. It wasn't until 2007 that I felt that it was time to re-invest in hi-fi. Both kids were in college, the money was there, etc. At that point, I anticipated having a lot more time for hi-fi than I'd had when raising kids. I really couldn't justify the time it would require before that point in time. It's been ~13 years since I pulled the trigger and it's still the major focus of my time during the day. I spend 14-16 hours/day with the Jubs, listening to them almost every moment. You might have thought that I was saying all my decisions apply to someone else. Such is not the case. Chris Klipsch -- 1956 Jubilees -- 2007
  7. I'm actually surprised that Richard (Coytee) hasn't chimed in yet...with Donny & Marie stories...
  8. I remembered a scene from a movie (lord--it was 25 years ago)...Mr. Holland's Opus. Here the text of that scene: Chris
  9. Now, now...every subject has its scholars--and others that aren't... We need a more inclusive environment to get the hermit crabs to come out of their shells... 🦀 Chris
  10. A few years ago, I posted that I owned more than one album from a pop artist (which I'll save her name for the moment) who was known to use Auto-Tune on her recordings. After demastering for the extreme clipping that's present on all pop/rock albums since about 1991, I found that I enjoyed listening to her and her band for a certain kind of music aesthetic that I'd call "high school pop". As time went on, it turns out that she actually had several paid composers (like country and pop stars use) to write most of her hits. It was this, plus the fact that she was singing in tune (as opposed to many other pop and country stars that couldn't stay on pitch) that made her music tolerable for background music when I was doing monotonous tasks at work, etc. Except for her first album, after demastering, her albums have average dynamic range of 13/14. Nowadays, I don't listen to her music (not really), but for the time and purpose, It worked. Her name: Avril Lavigne. She actually can't sing on pitch, but Auto-Tune takes care of that small detail... Do I care that Iain (seti) doesn't think she's worth listening to? No...not really. I'd listen to Dylan if they hooked him up to Auto-Tune (within reason, of course)... Chris
  11. We have a separate living room at the front of the house for visiting guests (not many of those since early March, however). Neil, what you describe as your listening spaces would cause me to relocate to another house (and...wait for it) because listening to good music in a much more hi-fi format is that important to me. Perhaps the cost of larger houses is prohibitive in your neck of the woods--but it certainly isn't where I live. The local housing market prices are about at the median point (US) for housing costs--the last time I looked. Our home is about 2700 ft2, which is about middle-class median size in the D/FW area. Chris
  12. I hate to say this...but I don't know how the Jubilees were performing when you listened to them. I do have a good guess how they did sound there. I also have to say that their visual appearance would have to be much worse to knock them off of my "most preferred" list of loudspeakers that I'd like to listen to, long term. I've heard dialed-in K-510/dual-diaphragm BMS 4592 on a Cornwall bass bin (as well as AMT-1s), and they don't come close to the sound of the Jubs that I listen to. JMTC. Chris
  13. If you've heard these loudspeakers in a home hi-fi environment (i.e., dialed in, etc.), the "WAF response" would likely change. They're that good, IMHO. Chris
  14. It's interesting what we actually do share on this forum. I mean, look at the opinions on just about any subject here...but the music itself. And we don't really share that much about how we like even the hardware that reproduces the music--something that I believe is appropriate for this type of forum. I've always been a bit mystified why this is, but in the final analysis I think it comes down to fear of social rejection. Why shouldn't we have many different threads on the music we love here? It's a lot better than arguing about Corona virus and when we think it's good to return our children to school. And having different threads for at least different genres, and artists or ensembles/groups themselves is even better. I know there are a lot of people here that could benefit from another person's point of view about the music itself. We learn about audio reproduction, but little about the music we each play on our systems--choosing instead to "be popular" by suppressing what we really like to listen to. Klipsch loudspeakers bring a particular capability to the music that small, direct radiating loudspeakers can't reproduce very well. I know that a lot of people here apparently listen at sound pressure levels (SPLs) well above what I'd enjoy, but the fact remains that Klipsch loudspeakers attract a certain unique listener type. Shouldn't the forum reflect this? (I'm not referring to RTM, since very little discussion actually occurs about the music there--only the sharing of album covers, ostensibly to what someone is currently listening to.) There is a generational aspect to music tastes, and I think we shouldn't shy away from that. Churches reflect this generational aspect. Perhaps this forum would enjoy newly found life and many more active members if we did...? There are forums that do talk about the music--notably Steve Hoffman's forum. For whatever reason, I don't believe that the Klipsch company founder would have wanted the current state (i.e., not really talking about the music itself). At one time he had his own RTR-tape music company so that he could provide his customers with higher quality recordings (...and John Eargle was actually one of his "signed artists"). That was ~60 years ago. The function that music plays in our lives really hasn't changed much since then. If anything, we listen more to personal music devices, including smartphones and earbuds. Wouldn't it be a more useful forum if everyone shared what they loved to listen to? If people don't like certain genres or artists, they can switch to a thread (or create a new one) whose music they do love. It might initially put a greater load on the moderation of the forum while it gets kicked off (like Hoffman's forum), but I believe moderation volunteers are available to tap for music forums. Chris
  15. Even the best controlled directivity loudspeakers that I know (multiple entry horns [MEHs] and two-way home Jubilees) are going to have severe acoustics issues from those canted walls/ceiling. I've seen this before, and the solution to those canted walls/ceiling is fully covering their entirety with absorption material--diffusion will not do it. You can talk to @etc6849 or @rigma to see what they did and the steps that they went through before arriving at a workable solution. Personally, I'd find another room to try it, and not try to use loudspeakers that lose vertical directivity below 2 kHz (i.e., all the Klipsch Heritage line). My first recommendation would be MEHs (including Danley Sound Labs Synergies--such as SH-96s--which are ~$16K USD per pair). K-402-MEHs would be better suited and about 1/5th the price, but would require DIY construction/assembly. Jubilees are good in rooms that can handle their height, but not the one that you show above. Chris
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