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i know it's pointless trivia, but i have the older sibling to this pair, i have 1B866 as half of my mismatched pair.

I'm very sorry to inform you, but there is a strict "One Pair" CF-4 rule. you may have any number of the small sizes, up to 5 CF-3s. but only one pair of CF-4s, which may, of course, be complimented with up to 3 CF-3s. fortunately for you, i happen to have a one owner pair of CF-3s that i would trade that would relieve you of the burden of having too many CF-4 speakers. sorry, i don't make the rules!

i picked up the single khorn today. it's the new mate to the '62 khorn i've had for a few years now. sounds wonderful, is in excellent shape.

the serial numbers on my cf-3s are almost completely faded. a loupe and a careful eye are necessary to read the numbers. i purchased these new. they have at times been against walls with windows, so the sun has faded them. so i wouldn't be too quick to assume non numbered speakers to be B stock. they may actually have spent an extended time in one location exposed to uv light, but free from handling damage. those look to be in great shape, and the glass tops have no doubt helped preserve them. throw him a lowball and a sob story about the long drive.

i bi-amp with my cheap panasonic sa-xr57, which is an ideal match for these speakers. this is a 7 channel digital receiver that can use 6 channels to power the mains, with two channels bridged for each of the LF channels doubling the power to the woofers, with the ability to further dial in the level between the LF and HF amp sections. I am very satisfied with this setup.

a sore *** from sitting on a wallet that still has money left in it.

i bought my CF-3s new off the showroom floor. over the years i've applied some of the known tweaks, changed what is driving them several times, changed rooms, a few of the combos were losers at times, but the longer i listen to them, the more i know they are keepers. there have been times that i've experienced the same issues as many have complained about, too hot on the highs, etc. but whatever the problem is, it can always be solved by changing some other factor in the setup. i've been to RMAF a couple of times, auditioning many high end rigs, and cannot fathom spending the many, many thousands of dollars it would take to purchase new speakers that could do what these do.

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i cannot comment on the pioneer 1250. likwe rivernugget said, the saxr55 and 57 are good candidates. i have the 57. i've used it on both of my systems at times, with my khorns but usually powering my cf-3s. these digital amps are not highly regarded by the rest of the audio community because they run out of power with inefficient speakers. not a problem with your khorns. i too, am a tube lover, but my mistress is the panny. it gets more use than my tube amps do.

You got that right, 10K.http://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=812624In my opinion you would be much better off with a refurbished Ampex or Studer, at half the cost. Better FR, W&F and S/N. But that is in the 2-track realm. Forn4 track consumer/prosumer, there are many, many great decks out there. Travis i work in what used to be the Ampex facility starting in the 60's, now a machine shop. haven't found any rtr's laying around though. there are still quite a few pieces of manufacturing equipment in our shop that date back to the ampex days. in the basement are offices sitting as they were left in the 80's, i wouldn't be surprised if there was something yet to be discovered down there.Alabama, Chicago, Redwood City, Culver City? Which one. My Dad worked for Ampex, thus we live in Northern CA, and SoCal. If you can tell me what city and narrow it down to a building I can tell you what they did there. Opilieka, Alabama was Orr Industries who made Irish audio tape, the preferred tape of Mr. Klipsch, until it was bought by Ampex and made the Tape Division. The other locations did multiple things but each had specialities.Would be interested to know which plant/building you are in. Travis none of the above. Colorado Springs on Wooten Rd, i believe Ampex's first co springs location.Ah ha, I didn't even know that one. He say that was the Instrumentation Division. Recorders for telemetry, aerospace and medicine. The recorders were designed and built to record at a relatively wide frequency range and at very high frequencies necessary to provide accurate data. Their basic models for military and aerospace applications with the appropriate tape were flat from 50 hz to 100khz at 15 IPS. They made portable models that could go in rockets, as well as larger groud based units that recorded demodulated fm signal information.Essentially they made an almost bullit proof unit, impervious to shock and vibration, capable of accurately recording the widest available frequency ranges within military/aerospace/NASA tolerences. So what was in Colorad Springs at the time that was involved in aerospace, missels and their telemetry and space itself? Pretty much a majority of the the entire operational and develomment component of those areas were handled at bases in and around CS. As I recall, that is still true today. I will see what else he can remember about it there that isnt still classified. That is cool stuff. interesting info, thanks!

once again, i'll throw the panasonic saxr receivers out there if you want black, and are considering affordable options. they really are incredible with high efficiency speakers. the one caveat being you should be relatively committed to digital media since they are digital receivers. being digital amps, you won't ever need to worry about having a good DA converter or sound card. i spent many years powering klipsch speakers with pioneer, sony, etc. and the results all are mediocre compared to the panasonic i'm currently using, and even more important, i feel no immediate need to spend thousands more to get better sound quality. the only time you hear any background noise whatsoever, is if the source was originally a noisy analog recording, and then only at obscenely high volume levels. they can be had quite easily for ~$100 and hold their value.

You got that right, 10K.http://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=812624 In my opinion you would be much better off with a refurbished Ampex or Studer, at half the cost. Better FR, W&F and S/N. But that is in the 2-track realm. Forn4 track consumer/prosumer, there are many, many great decks out there. Travis i work in what used to be the Ampex facility starting in the 60's, now a machine shop. haven't found any rtr's laying around though. there are still quite a few pieces of manufacturing equipment in our shop that date back to the ampex days. in the basement are offices sitting as they were left in the 80's, i wouldn't be surprised if there was something yet to be discovered down there. Alabama, Chicago, Redwood City, Culver City? Which one. My Dad worked for Ampex, thus we live in Northern CA, and SoCal. If you can tell me what city and narrow it down to a building I can tell you what they did there. Opilieka, Alabama was Orr Industries who made Irish audio tape, the preferred tape of Mr. Klipsch, until it was bought by Ampex and made the Tape Division. The other locations did multiple things but each had specialities. Would be interested to know which plant/building you are in. Travis none of the above. Colorado Springs on Wooten Rd, i believe Ampex's first co springs location.

You got that right, 10K. http://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=812624 In my opinion you would be much better off with a refurbished Ampex or Studer, at half the cost. Better FR, W&F and S/N. But that is in the 2-track realm. Forn4 track consumer/prosumer, there are many, many great decks out there. Travis i work in what used to be the Ampex facility starting in the 60's, now a machine shop. haven't found any rtr's laying around though. there are still quite a few pieces of manufacturing equipment in our shop that date back to the ampex days. in the basement are offices sitting as they were left in the 80's, i wouldn't be surprised if there was something yet to be discovered down there.

yet another vote here for the panny saxr series receivers. ignore anything you hear from any other sources than Klipsch users about them, results are mixed with lower efficiency speakers, the panasonics really shine with most any klipsch.

i won't say that the Epic series is better than the khorn, but they certainly can compete. i WILL say that i listen to MY cf-3 system more than i do MY khorn system because i like it better. certainly the rooms they are in are a factor, though the rooms are very similar, they are the same width and height, but differ in depth. listening position is almost identical. i have my cf-3s in corners similar to the khorns, and have them bi-amped, with twice as much power going to the woofers, as well as the highs attenuated several db as well, so there is plenty of bass from these "bright" speakers. both systems will play any frequency louder than i can listen, it's all up to how a user has their setup EQed as to whether there is enough bass or not. the cf plays lower though, and no amount of eq will fix that shortcoming of the khorn. other factors that matter in the real world: one man can bear-hug and carry a cf3 or 4, and few of us are offered our choice of free speakers, we must spend real money on them, and if budget is a concern, the Epics have a clear advantage there. i have no experience with the rf-7s.

that has been my experience. my 3channel HT setup uses 3 CF3's, the center is laying on it's side, atop the 4th unused speaker. i have no complaints with how it sounds. FWIW i have the L&R speakers jammed in corners and toed in to the sweet spot. for HT i use the center for a better center image for multiple listeners. for most music, i only use 2 channels and sit in the sweet spot. having the center as an option makes the CF setup very versatile, and phenomenal either way it's configured. the wide spacing works well with most music, but some poorly engineered tracks really benefit from having the center channel available, for example some pop/rock with a hard L/R mix with little mono content. anything can be made to sound good in this room. i could not say that when i only had 2 channels available in the past, and still cannot say the same about my Khorn 2ch room. my humble advice to gmjungbluth would be to go for it.

you can still use Jriver, you cannot control/access it from the Rpi, and you have to have some kind of computer on a local network with Jriver. i have jriver media server running in the background on a desktop pc, the basic controls are available via tablet or phone using the Gizmo or Jriver Remote apps. you can still use all of the features of Jriver, the DSP suite, etc. via a desktop or laptop pc. I suspect we'll be seeing a linux friendly version of Jriver in the future, considering the growing popularity of the genre of small cheap linux based computers. if having to use a laptop on occasion for EQ adjustments is the worst inconvenience i have to suffer, i'll get along fine.

it's really not difficult at all. Thaddeus' thread helped push me to take the plunge to properly bring digital music into my "analog" system. i too, was worried about the difficulty level, but once my raspberry pi finally showed up, it was up and running, playing music in under ten minutes. my implementation uses an ethernet connected raspberry pi, feeding an audioengine D1 DAC, soon via a hifiberry board once it comes in the mail. the hifiberry board is only necessary to get 24/192 output via toslink, the raspberry pi will deliver up to 24/96 as-is. i'm using the Volumio operating system, which actually required NO programming to get up and running, just flash the image to the microSD card. i use Jriver MC and it recognized volumio automatically as a DLNA player. sure, it's more involved if you want to control the RPi through the web interface, or go wireless, but for most users i think using jriver through your phone or tablet is sufficient, and a hardwired ethernet connection is more reliable, and easy.

it looks like it would be pretty easy to model that up in cad. i work with mastercam and solidworks daily, so i can help you with that if you can send me the part. i would then recommend once you have the cad model, if you want it to be plastic, check with your local library first to see if they have a 3d printer, i recently researched ones near me and the rates are dirt cheap compared to traditional manufacturing processes(look at me putting myself out of work!). a part like that would only cost a few dollars to have them print for you. i could also possibly machine if for you out of plastic or metal.

all the record stores in my area have them...over in the paraphernalia section. as a side note, stores here in Colorado now have signs posted near the smoking accessories stating "any mention of using these devices with tobacco will result in the denial of service" and "these are BONGS not WATERPIPES!"

"three important cars" 1966 chevy c-10. important because it has to get me to work everyday. 1963 chevy suburban. it performs the same function for my SO. 1963 buick riviera. in case one of the first two fails to perform. i guess Thebes will have to start a not so important cars thread for me to divulge the rest of my junk.

if you ever dig it out and want to get rid of it, i may be interested, it'd be a neat oddity. i don't know if it would actually get much use, but it'd be right at home in just about any of my cars.

for years i had mine the wrong way, maybe 8' apart with a bit of toe. then i set them up just like cornerhorns, and the imaging blew me away. my current setup works two ways: room is 13' w and 10 or 11' deep with the cf-3s jammed in corners on the long wall on cinder block risers, toed in to the sweet spot, which is pretty small, but awesome. this setup is awful when out of the sweet spot, so i have a third cf-3 laid on it's side as a center channel for movies and multiple listeners. if the music was mixed well, i can enjoy a wide, detailed stage with 2 channels. poorly mastered tracks may get the center channel and some processing to achieve a decent center image. and yes, the highs can start to get a bit harsh at high volumes, dynamat on the horns makes a noticable difference, but they could still use some help. based on previous forum talk about using the panasonic digital amps with klipsch heritage speakers, i recently picked up an old panny sa-xr57 digital reciever to power these, and love it with these speakers. they go together very well, the sa-xr57 has some features that work well withe the cf-3s, like bi-amp and dual amp modes, which together use 6 amp channels to power the l+r speakers, two to each bass channel, and one to the highs, which can be attenuated as these speakers need.

you are not going to find cheap rems of dynamat. they use every scrap of it. i buy rolls of it off the auction site. search for sound deadener, or sound dampener and you'll get hundreds of hits of generic versions of dynamat at much better prices. when applying it, heat the mat with a hair dryer to help it form to the horn, or whatever you're applying it to. i put two full layers on my horns, and then found myself going through listening to my whole music collection because the difference was so noticeable.

have you tested your improvements seperately? have you been able to listen to the braced cabinets without upgraded crossovers, or vice-versa?