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I recently went through the Transformer 4-movie set, which I got on ebay for under $20 Surprisingly every one is too long, why they thought they needed a 2.5 hr movie each time is beyond me. But with each movie, the sound improves and has more and more low end. I watched as my 4yo son loves them, but they are worthy of a watch if you haven't seen them before. Some of the slo-mo bass drops when the Transformers are flying through the air are epic

I have a mixed set where my center channel in my family room theater is an RP250C while my fronts are R-28Fs....titanium center with aluminum fronts. Yes, it will no doubt get you going. But yes, you will notice a difference in timber. I do prefer the titanium but having said that it's not going to be OMG that's horrible unless you are a serious audiophile. I would NOT proceed with what you're doing. I would either find the one I need or comparable (in titanium), or I would change ALL the tweeters to be the same. They aren't particularly expensive, just the tweeters, so that's my 2c.

In other forums there are some really fun and cool threads like "great subwoofer movies" where the movie itself isn't reviewed as much as the low end content and dynamic range of the presentation. Last blu-ray watched is a really cool thread too, but I am 100% for a dedicated thread doing movie reviews. That's my vote!

I had an entire thread about this....lol! Glad you figured it out. Leaks are not very noticeable on a ported sub until the low tones are played somewhat loudly, at which point the sub begins to sound like it's farting........

Audyssey imo is an incredible piece of software. That statement has nothing to do with anybody's skills doing their own setups and manual EQs. I have heard several systems now without any auto correction and some folks are skilled enough and/or have the rooms to do it without. Like any piece of software, there is how it is recommended to be used for a basic user. It assumes, like most models, a certain type of room, a certain listening area, and a certain number of measurement points....along with what it expects to be at least a somewhat traditional setup and layout. Because few rooms meet their models exactly, Audyssey has a "learning curve" just like anything else. It can be used to mild benefit, significant benefit, or especially with the better versions, a result that few could reproduce without professional skills. Based upon the filtering it does and the results I have gotten and others here and throughout the web have posted, I have little doubt that if you want the greatest benefit, XT32 is the best option. I am running XT, which I think is terrific. The XT32 simply has a lot more filters, especially in the lower end, where correction is the most difficult (imo). Do you need it? No. There are very detailed manual options for optimizing your system. But in the lower end, I would believe it to be almost impossible for someone to balance the bass using only their ear and no measurements or correction. I think the most important investment someone can make is to get measurement equipment. $100 for a UMIK and free REW software is a low entry point for what appears to me to be an incredibly powerful set of tools. Ones that you will "dig" into for hours on end learning more and more and looking for improvements.

Glad to see the repair service is real and did a reasonably good job! Enjoy

Makes the $500,000 theater at ABT superstore look wimpy.

First thank you very much for the post, I haven't had this much fun in a thread in a while! Cost is obviously no object in this case, which is great. As a designer, that would be exactly what you would want and hope for a few times in your life, the chance to spend whatever it takes to make it perfect. I would not want to be invited over for a movie however as once I saw something in that "home" theater I'd never want anything else. Once I reached the point where I started reading that the floor is decoupled from the rest I began to feel sick thinking that even in my wildest dreams I couldn't even think up some of the design touches put into this. LOL this is above the garage?????????????? Wouldn't mind seeing the garage next....lol

I think the quality of the sound someone has, and particularly how it sounds to them, is the only thing that really matters. There is some gratification that comes from others appreciating your setup, but in the end, it's about you. When it comes to bass, my view is that if possible have a system that is capable of reproducing whatever it is you want to listen to. With music, this is relatively easy and straightforward, and really a matter of the above -- does it sound the way you want it to? With home theater, bass capability becomes a real issue and one that I have spent the majority of my time here learning about, growing with, and appreciating. From Bose "sub" to Yamaha/Klipsch basic subs to Klipsch high end sub to subs capable of recreating most anything within 99.99% of blu rays, the journey has taught me more about sound and room acoustics than I could have ever imagined. With more left to go than I've learned so far. When enough time and research is put into understanding what is possible, it quickly became clear to me that bass can be tight, clear, articulate, strong, punchy and awesome from many different setups. It's a matter of what someone wants to hear, what they like, and how much it costs. Within the world of home theater, I very much believe that it is a quest to create the very best bass reproduction in a room. So many factors go into them -- placement, PEQ, correction software (like Audyssey, DIRAC, BFD etc.), integration with mains that it is a potentially complicated endeavour. But one that I have found to be incredibly fun, and worth it! Regarding music, I adhere to what I learned from Derrickdj -- good subs are capable of reproducing music just like HT. Which you may prefer, a horn, IB, sealed, ported,etc., is preference and experience. Making sure it's setup well -- that is the key. Considering that the low end of most music is in the 30s or 40s, to me it makes sense to have the capability to reproduce those well and never sacrifice that low end. At worst, you can turn off your sub(s)! If I were an audiophile, I would likely take Chris A's advice he has shared with me previously and put my sub(s) close to my mains. With music, where the discerning ear is listening closely, I think it's much more important.

It's really tempting, and it's really close to where I live. The issue I always have with a $1000+ item listed on craigslist is the brevity of the post. You got really nice stuff, are claiming it's only a few hours old and are selling it for a reason that makes no sense at a potential bargain price. I remember once a guy had an SVS PB2000 for sale, I contacted him and asked about the warranty, after the post said the item was just a few months old. OH NO no warranty, sorry. Oh really? There's only one way I know of to not have a warranty for an SVS sub that is less than a year old. These listings to me are always suspect, but maybe I'm a bit paranoid.

Tell us what you mean by phase cancellation.

Well done finding the issue. Try an even higher crossover at 100 u may like it even more if the fronts have issues down low

Great to hear. Another thought is to use sub as stand for center channel. Often a single sub sounds great there in a square room

Could you move the couch forward enough to fit the sub behind the couch and test back there? Near field may be a solution for you if not 2 subs as mg suggests.

I saw u mention Atmos...what are u replacing these with?

I went through this thought process too. I got the 6000dsp. Understand that your basic level of sub output comes from the first watt. With ds4 u get say 88db at 1meter. Double watts to 2 for 3db boost. Then double to 4 for next 3db....and so on. Do the math u see at some point you run out of doubles....at a wattage beyond the ds4s capability. On the low end excursion is a factor. Sounds crazy but 1000 watts or 2000 watts is not that important. DSP is. In a room under 5000ft3 2 ds4s sealed will be awesome. When u need more u add anothet sub....but u wont need it for spl.

Derrick is as good a person as you'll find, buy with confidence and no concerns whether picking up or having it shipped.

Coolness!

I find the surrounds sound best a bit above and slightly behind the listening position. I have both the bipoles and direct firing and dont think that is the issue. It is placement of speakers seating position and distance to back wall. Chris A has cited Toole showing surrounds can be placed in front of the mlp to the sides to excellent effect. Rhats worth a try imo. I believe his setup incorporates this.

Leave the sub in the exact same spot, and move yourself around the room and listen to see if it gets better and worse. I've spent a few dozen hours on subwoofer placement and tuning lately (2 subs in an L-shape room), and what you describe sounds just like what Mustang is saying. Room modes in a certain position are causing frequencies to null and peak where you hear "flutter". Phase is the issue, but phase can be changed through settings or by repositioning the sub or the listening position. Moving the sub just a bit sometimes changes things a lot. Try moving it a foot left, right, forward and back, and see if it's the same. I'd guess one move or the other may shed some light on the room modes.

Best price ive ever seen. I would have bought them just to have at that price

RSW15 sold.

Smart functional elegant and family made. A 10 for sure!

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In the Consumer Reports July 2016 issue, they coincidentally on p.47 talk about: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Testing Insights 5 SONGS THAT REVEAL A SPEAKER'S STRENGTHS "It takes more than a good set of ears to identify great headphones and speakers. The pros in our testing labs shared some musical tracks to use when looking for the qualities found in top-notch equipment." "Whole Lotta Love", Zeppelin I. "On excellent equipment, you'll notice the echo throughout the song that most people never hear; the whirring sound midway through the track seems to swirl around you." "The Way I Am", Ingrid Michaelson, Girls & Boys "In this arrangement, you should be able to hear the sound of fingers moving along the strings, the singers breath between lines, and even her lips opening and closing as she forms words." "Travelin' Light", Diane Schuur, Count Basie Orchestra "Listen carefully to this live recording and you can actually hear the vocals and the horns resound off the walls of the performance space." "RV315 L'Estate Ill Tempo Impetuoso D'Estate (Summer in G)", Fabio Biondi, Vivaldi - The Four Seasons "The strings in this Vivaldi piece are being played at breakneck speed, but on quality equipment, each note will be distinct. On average equipment, the sound will be somewhat slurred." "Sin Wagon", Dixie Chicks "On better equipment, the guitar, fiddle, and cymbals in this busy arrangement will each be easy to hear. on lesser models, each instrument will lack definition." _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________