oldtimer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Glad to see you stand up for restricting the right of certain citizens to vote. God Bless America. There you go again. IIRC, there are already 'restrictions' that say one has to be of a certain age. Do you have a problem with that too? People used to forfeit the 'right' to vote if the were a federal convict. That was, though small, an encouragement to stay out of prison. Was that restriction wrong too? Naw, this is clearly a case of there you go again. But it's cool. Age of legal responsibility and criminality are what we as a society have long regarded as legitimate barriers for full citizenship rights. Expanding the barrier to economic lack of means is the antithesis of one of the reasons the country was formed. It is an interesting line of thought, even if it is inherently anti-American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 "A desire and encouragement for others to prosper is a rare and wonderful virtue." - Jerry Kazakas c. 1974 You were right my good friend, it's rare as he||. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Tell them to form unions. So, you as a business owner, who has done without; stayed up late trying to figure out how to make it; mortgaged everything because competition is just that; paid competitive wages that is in pace with the market (because if you didn't, you wouldn't have employees)....you're going to tell your employees to form a union? If you go back to a post of mine in this thread you will find where I advocate for equality of negotiation power where ownership and labor both have a reason for an equitable compromise. Unions can be a benefit for ownership since known costs as provided in a contract are easier to plan with. But this could be a whole thread in itself. The "market" is skewed if one party has inordinate power over the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Glad to see you stand up for restricting the right of certain citizens to vote. God Bless America. There you go again. IIRC, there are already 'restrictions' that say one has to be of a certain age. Do you have a problem with that too? People used to forfeit the 'right' to vote if the were a federal convict. That was, though small, an encouragement to stay out of prison. Was that restriction wrong too? Naw, this is clearly a case of there you go again. But it's cool. Age of legal responsibility and criminality are what we as a society have long regarded as legitimate barriers for full citizenship rights. Expanding the barrier to economic lack of means is the antithesis of one of the reasons the country was formed. It is an interesting line of thought, even if it is inherently anti-American. Lack of means. I like how you word that. Lacking due to a disability, already paid in and are now only to retrieve some of that money (retired drawing SS) or something along that line is one thing. Lacking an income (means, as you will) due to choice is just that: a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Very few starve by choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 But the ones who do sure make a great example for others to implore draconian policies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Tell them to form unions. So, you as a business owner, who has done without; stayed up late trying to figure out how to make it; mortgaged everything because competition is just that; paid competitive wages that is in pace with the market (because if you didn't, you wouldn't have employees)....you're going to tell your employees to form a union? If you go back to a post of mine in this thread you will find where I advocate for equality of negotiation power where ownership and labor both have a reason for an equitable compromise. Unions can be a benefit for ownership since known costs as provided in a contract are easier to plan with. But this could be a whole thread in itself. The "market" is skewed if one party has inordinate power over the other. So, should a nonunion person be aloud to vote on what the union is trying to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paducah Home Theater Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 "A desire and encouragement for others to prosper is a rare and wonderful virtue." - Jerry Kazakas c. 1974 Lots of people want to see other people become truly successful. They also know that will never happen simply by raising the minimum wage. Don't snub your nose at them just because they have different ideas. Just like Jesus said, "the poor you will always have with you". Socialism and communism has never been proven in all the history of man to prove him otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 But as I recall you advocate denying the vote to the rich who live off investment income as well. Who exactly gets the power in your idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bella Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Machines have replaced many jobs already. The challenge is to train and/or retrain the people who have already shown a willingness to work so that they can continue working. I'm not sure. With technology poking along, I think the challenge is to re-tool the economy to function in such a way as to not be reliant on workers, since machines will ever increasingly replace them. Then who will tend the machines? (sensing a sci-fi scenario developing in the conversation) Science Fiction? Maybe not... http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/self-healing-technology-one-step-closer-after-scientists-produce-aircraft-wings-which-fix-themselves-10302249.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Machines have replaced many jobs already. The challenge is to train and/or retrain the people who have already shown a willingness to work so that they can continue working. I'm not sure. With technology poking along, I think the challenge is to re-tool the economy to function in such a way as to not be reliant on workers, since machines will ever increasingly replace them. Then who will tend the machines? (sensing a sci-fi scenario developing in the conversation) Science Fiction? Maybe not... http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/self-healing-technology-one-step-closer-after-scientists-produce-aircraft-wings-which-fix-themselves-10302249.html Duh.... Sorry, you should not have been able to discern my understatement and general sardonic humor in my post. Edited November 11, 2015 by oldtimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 So, should a nonunion person be aloud to vote on what the union is trying to do? Anyone who would choose not to be a member when it is in their best interests to do so is much like your citizen who should not be allowed to vote n'est ce pas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted November 11, 2015 Moderators Share Posted November 11, 2015 "According to a recent BofA reported on how robotics will reshape the world, San Francisco start up Momentum Machines are out to fully automate the production of burgers with the aim of replacing a human fast food worker. The machine can shape burgers from ground meat, grill them to order with the specified amount of char, toast buns, add tomatoes, onions, pickles, and finally place it on a conveyor belt. The robot is shown below. It occupies 24 square feet, and is much smaller and efficient than most assembly-line fast-food operations. It provides "gourmet cooking methods never before used in a fast food restaurant" and will deposit the completed burger into a bag. It does all of this without a trace of attitude." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-10/dear-striking-fast-food-workers-meet-machine-just-put-all-you-out-job I like it! And I don't have to worry about any nefarious activity against my burger while it was being made. You keep quoting/linking to zerohedge, what's up with that? Now if that robot will drop it in an autonomus vehicle and deliver it to your door you will really have something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Now if that robot will drop it in an autonomus vehicle and deliver it to your door you will really have something. Oh it's coming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 So, should a nonunion person be aloud to vote on what the union is trying to do? Anyone who would choose not to be a member when it is in their best interests to do so is much like your citizen who should not be allowed to vote n'est ce pas? What's your answer? Say it in French if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 Sacre bleu that is my answer mon frere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Naseum Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 "A desire and encouragement for others to prosper is a rare and wonderful virtue." - Jerry Kazakas c. 1974Lots of people want to see other people become truly successful. They also know that will never happen simply by raising the minimum wage. Don't snub your nose at them just because they have different ideas. Just like Jesus said, "the poor you will always have with you". Socialism and communism has never been proven in all the history of man to prove him otherwise.Ahhhh, now we are getting somewhere. Would you explain what Jesus meant in Mark 14:7? I'd like to compare your interpretation to mine. Sent from my SM-T330NU using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted November 11, 2015 Moderators Share Posted November 11, 2015 I'm telling you guys, all you need to do is learn JavaScript. 6 months worth of hardcore javascript learnin and you can write your ticket anywhere. Next best thing is database administration. I know of multiple open positions that would be the equivalent of earning well into the 6 digit range on the west coast. Nobody wants to do it. Everybody just wants their $15 an hour. Do you know how much it costs to live on the West Coast? There is a reason most of the Bay Area municipalities have passed their own minimum wage laws years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bella Posted November 11, 2015 Share Posted November 11, 2015 "According to a recent BofA reported on how robotics will reshape the world, San Francisco start up Momentum Machines are out to fully automate the production of burgers with the aim of replacing a human fast food worker. The machine can shape burgers from ground meat, grill them to order with the specified amount of char, toast buns, add tomatoes, onions, pickles, and finally place it on a conveyor belt. The robot is shown below. It occupies 24 square feet, and is much smaller and efficient than most assembly-line fast-food operations. It provides "gourmet cooking methods never before used in a fast food restaurant" and will deposit the completed burger into a bag. It does all of this without a trace of attitude." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-10/dear-striking-fast-food-workers-meet-machine-just-put-all-you-out-job I like it! And I don't have to worry about any nefarious activity against my burger while it was being made. You keep quoting/linking to zerohedge, what's up with that? Now if that robot will drop it in an autonomus vehicle and deliver it to your door you will really have something. I do? I guess the article was relevant to this topic. Besides, 4 posts up from yours is a link to a different site. I linked that one because it was relevant to what Oldtimer had posted. And I think you should keep your idea quiet lest someone steal it and make it a reality. Google or Amazon comes to mind. DRONEBURGER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted November 11, 2015 Moderators Share Posted November 11, 2015 "According to a recent BofA reported on how robotics will reshape the world, San Francisco start up Momentum Machines are out to fully automate the production of burgers with the aim of replacing a human fast food worker. The machine can shape burgers from ground meat, grill them to order with the specified amount of char, toast buns, add tomatoes, onions, pickles, and finally place it on a conveyor belt. The robot is shown below. It occupies 24 square feet, and is much smaller and efficient than most assembly-line fast-food operations. It provides "gourmet cooking methods never before used in a fast food restaurant" and will deposit the completed burger into a bag. It does all of this without a trace of attitude." http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-10/dear-striking-fast-food-workers-meet-machine-just-put-all-you-out-job I like it! And I don't have to worry about any nefarious activity against my burger while it was being made. You keep quoting/linking to zerohedge, what's up with that?Now if that robot will drop it in an autonomus vehicle and deliver it to your door you will really have something. I do? I guess the article was relevant to this topic. Besides, 4 posts up from yours is a link to a different site. I linked that one because it was relevant to what Oldtimer had posted. And I think you should keep your idea quiet lest someone steal it and make it a reality. Google or Amazon comes to mind. DRONEBURGER. Yes you do. https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/160218-do-you-know-someone-with-cancer/?fromsearch=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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