HDBRbuilder Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 Scroll up this thread to an earlier post of mine and note that I actually did mention something about "an excercise in futility"...didn't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heresy2guy Posted December 28, 2002 Author Share Posted December 28, 2002 Yes you did - point well taken and agreed with! LOL I just checked the UPS site and tracked my number - they said my H/K 430 sould be here on the 30th, which is Monday. I sure can't wait to unpack it, clean it, and give it a whirl!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry N. Cruse Posted December 28, 2002 Share Posted December 28, 2002 What do I know. I had to go to the dictionary to find "FOIBLE"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdm56 Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 I'm a bit surprised by the uh, intensity this thread has generated. I mean geez, it's not like we're debating the relative merits of toobs versus solid state. (HA) Even a very well-made recording might sound dull or bright to some people in some rooms. Is it violating some kind of golden-eared audiophile law to simply try to fix it? I'm not just talking so much about "taste", but about individual hearing function. Because just like loudspeakers, every person's auditory performance can be measured and graphed. IOW words, every individual tends to have a bit different frequency response from every other individual. Which kind of helps to explain why their are hundred and hundreds of different loudspeakers on the market, and why there is so much difference of opinion as to what is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 Hell, I heard that, Jim. Damn straight. Different strokes for different folks, eh? Yep. Sometimes it's good to hear the real stuff that cuts through the mire. And damn if ole Jim and his trusty hound arent there at our service. kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Palm Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 I have my tone controls set to defeat. EQs are toys aand should be outlawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundthought Posted December 30, 2002 Share Posted December 30, 2002 There are those misinformed individuals who believe an equilizer to be nothing more than a coloration device. Then again, those people most likely believe Klipsch to be a neutral speaker. LOL. To each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted January 2, 2003 Share Posted January 2, 2003 A friend of mine has some speaker boxes he built using car audio 6x9's and some tweeters, These speakers definetely sound better with his eq "adjusted" Although he seems envious of my Klipsch. I always leave my eq and or tone controls flat because I like the way that it sounds. My JBL L46 speakers sound different from my Heresies, the JBL's are less bright then the heresies but I like the way they both sound. Peace, Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEC14576 Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Hey......I like EQ's. The Spectrum Analyzer makes my system look cool. It's kinda funny when I get the ooos and ahaaas from non audiophile types who really don't know. Do I actually need it? NOT! My Forte's definitely do the job quite well without it not to mention that the EQ does add noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnBob Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 The problem I've noticed with broadband eq's (the "graphic equalizer") is they may improve sound in one spot, but make it much worse in other spots in the room. I've also noticed the cheaper ones, even when set flat, do bad things to the sound. Setting any eq to an extreme boost is a recipie for disaster. You could be sending huge amounts of power to the speakers above or below what you can hear and never know anything is wrong until everything goes silent or buzzy. Extreme settings can also make some amplifiers freak out as well. Where you really need eqs though, is when you run sound reinforcement. A good parametric is a big help in taming the feedback demon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Heresy2guy : I have been to quite a few different venues ( concerts ) in the Thunder Bay Community Auditorium, and I am happy to say that the sound of the artists I have seen ( Steve Earle, Amanda Marshall, Chantal Kreviazuk, Colin James, Collective Soul ) have very closely matched the sound of the cd's I own. I have also seen Nazareth at a bar in town which I felt was a poor quality performance. In short, the quality of the hall has a lot to do with the sound, as well as the mix, the eq'ing etc. While I won't argue that a good eq, when properly executed will help to tame peaks in response, a person who likes to play with an eq an severly boost the treble and bass are sure torturing their equipment. I believe that this is only the point that HDBR builder was trying to make. First and foremost the room affects the perceived sound the most, follwed by the speakers themselves, then by sources, etc, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heresy2guy Posted January 22, 2003 Author Share Posted January 22, 2003 Well, since having the H/K 430, I no longer feel (personally) that my system is in need of an EQ because I just love the sound that now comes from my Heresys. Of course, I do have the treble and bass settings adjusted (positively of course) but I have no need for the "countour" or loudness button to be activated for the H/K is practically a bass monster. With my old Technics, the sound was lousey (to me) no matter what I did to the tonal adjustments but now with the H/K I get EXACTLY the kind of sound I like, for which, I am grateful to those here on the forum (particularly HDBRbuilder) who recommened the piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I picked up a Yamaha EQ-70 at a thrift store last Summer for two bucks. Sold it on Ebay for sixty bucks. It sounded best that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Damn, Stehr! Your posts are getting better and better! Ever since that new avatar, you have been on a roll. I am already sick of mine and I put it up 45 seconds ago. BMW's reputation is shot... kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Robinson Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Great idea, even if it is fleeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Tone controls are EQ and every preamp I've liked over the years has had them. In my current system and room I have the tone controls set "flat" unless I am listening to old 78 rpm records, but in other environments and with other speakers I have used them to very good effect. I once lived in a room that was 35 feet square with concrete walls and a 25 foot ceiling--I had to back off on the bass "tone" controls a click or two just to make the damn thing listenable. Never did sound "right." It was just an impossible room, but the tone controls, or "EQ" did help! Is there a place for EQ? Sure, but I doubt you'd ever need more than the "tone controls" that come with a nice vintage preamp and adding a separate unit, most of which are mass-market dreck that can only foul up the signal, would be a mistake 99.9% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Allan and I have been around this block before.... I have tone controls on all my old stuff. All my modern gear is without it. And I am thankful. Especially when you get in the SET range, even having a Balance pot is noticable. All I have in my main system is a TKD attenuator with individual resistors for the volume control and that's it. I took the Noble balance pot out and it helped a bit. Ditto moving the Noble volume to the used pile and moving to the TKD attenuator. But I see where a lot of people do like them. I just never use mine, even on the vintage gear. Backing the bass down would be a help...but most people TURN UP THE TONE controls for that BOOST like a boom box in heat.... kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I will not listen to stereo music without my eq,I do bypass for h/t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 Yep. Just about every time I've used tone controls it has been to BACK OFF on the bass controls. Never once did boosting the bass do anything but screw things up (I feel the same way about most subwoofers too). And I have never had to adjust the treble controls at all unless listening to pre-RIAA recordings which ALWAYS need a treble boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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