hwatkins Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 Kain - Saw your powerpoint - Be careful of evangelistic logic. There will always be those that profit from the war and the after-war. Unfortunately though, war is generally begun by the sensitive, passionate or fanatical - the profiteers are simply opportunistic. As things progress, it will become easy to develop a conspiracy theory, but a closer look at all the facts would mean that those folks would have to be much smarter than they have shown themselves to be in the past. I appreciate your passion, but I also encourage you to dig into those facts and see if the trail is as obvious as the last thoughts try to make them. To all - I will repeat a strong opinion - A suicide murderer is in most cases a coward. It absolves the purpetrator from responsibility. At its worst leaders will use them as weapons and will go so far as to limit their gas and chain them to the wheel (Kamikaze) or threaten to kill their loved ones if they do not do the act. At its best it is an act of desperation. Suicide murder by the brave is when the act saves more people than it kills or injures. 9/11 doesn't qualify as a brave act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj993 Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 Kain, Where do you get that PPS info from? Just curious... it has some interesting points in it, though hard to say what is true and what isn't. Can't believe everything you read ya know... which goes for pretty much everything. Minn Male, You cannot go calling prodj, kev, and Kain POS posters... You have no right to call anyone anything because you think their beliefs are "pro-terrorist." Which, for the record they are not. If you would simply read what they have to say and think about it from a different perspective, other than American then you would see that none of them are for the terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted March 30, 2003 Share Posted March 30, 2003 Kain, buddy, think of what you are saying. You don't like the American government and its foreign policy. That means that you do not like the choices of the majority of voting Americans. Unlike the Arab world, where the governments may very well not reflect the feelings of most of the citizens because democracy is unknown, the American government, including President Bush is elected. If a president, senator, representative, or state or local elected official fails to represent the views of his constituency, he will be out of office at the next election, or possibly before if a recall campaign is mounted. Despite the fact that high government officials wanted to enter World War II, the United States delayed entry until actually attacked by Japan because that was what the people wanted. The United States pulled out of Vietnam because that was what the people wanted. President Bush currently has the highest approval rating from citizens since he was elected. Yes, there are anti-war demonstrations. We tolerate desent from the majority opinion. There are also pro-war demonstrations. The fact is, the United States military is in Iraq because Americans want it there. So, please refrain from the "I like America, just not its government" b***s***. If you don't like our government, you don't like us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 ---------------- On 3/30/2003 9:50:33 PM TBrennan wrote: Scott---What war are you a veteran of? One of my apprentices is an ex submariner. I was amazed to learn he couldn't tie any knots, not even easy stuff like a bowline or clovehitch. He said sailors today don't tie knots. ??!!?? When my Dad was in the Coast Guard during WW II he learned all kinds of knots and even how to sail and navigate small boats. He was a real sailor, evidently some of these guys today would be helpless if exposed to the sea. ---------------- I resent that. I was in the Navy for 4 years and was a real salor. I didn't learn all my knots, nor can I remember any of the ones I did learn. What you fail to realize, is not every sailor has a job where they need to know all the knots. No every job in the Navy is about steering a ship through the sea, or tying a ship to the peir. I for one had a job where I didn't need to know how to tie knots. Hell, I didn't have time to worry about learning now to tie knots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj993 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 ---------------- On 3/30/2003 11:17:57 PM Malcolm wrote: Kain, buddy, think of what you are saying. You don't like the American government and its foreign policy. That means that you do not like the choices of the majority of voting Americans. Unlike the Arab world, where the governments may very well not reflect the feelings of most of the citizens because democracy is unknown, the American government, including President Bush is elected. If a president, senator, representative, or state or local elected official fails to represent the views of his constituency, he will be out of office at the next election, or possibly before if a recall campaign is mounted. Despite the fact that high government officials wanted to enter World War II, the United States delayed entry until actually attacked by Japan because that was what the people wanted. The United States pulled out of Vietnam because that was what the people wanted. President Bush currently has the highest approval rating from citizens since he was elected. Yes, there are anti-war demonstrations. We tolerate desent from the majority opinion. There are also pro-war demonstrations. The fact is, the United States military is in Iraq because Americans want it there. So, please refrain from the "I like America, just not its government" b***s***. If you don't like our government, you don't like us. ---------------- I hardly think if you don't like the government than you don't like the people. Just because the people elect the government doesn't even mean they are all the same. The Government doesn't represent everyone in the country. This is true for everyone in every country across the globe. Some more than others. I'm pretty sure Kain means what he says, it is possible to dislike one's gov't but not the people that live there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 True,it does in NO WAY mean when you dont love a given country government that you dislike the people of this country. What some hardliners try to say here is YOU WILL LOVE THE ELECTED AND THEIR ACTIONS or you will wear a label. LOL In fact most people will vote for the least rotten of the two or three main candidates. And sometimes the vote is very close,so some votes get lost and others counted twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethro Bodean Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Kain can say he likes Americans all he wants, but I remember he said Americans were stupid way back in the 911 thread. I know that you can still like someone even if they are stupid but the things he says about us makes it very hard for me to believe he likes Americans. He recently said that the American soldiers were COWARDS! Yes he really likes us. I am surprised that anyone takes the time to answer any of his boring and asinine questions since he talks this way about the good old U.S.A. Prod. You call everyone here idiots? I guess you are a mental giant. You need to learn how to write and spell before you call others idiots. A few years in the Marines would be a good move for you. Then you would learn what courage means. It takes honor to have true courage. The terrorist that you and Kain admire had no honor. They were cowardly sissyboys. Jethro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 We have been down this path and have been asked to cease and desist. Most of us agreed that the request was reasonable. If we dont take the bait the fishermen will move on. Lets honor our word and ignore the lure. Yes, I realize it's difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj993 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 ---------------- On 3/31/2003 1:15:49 AM boomac wrote: We have been down this path and have been asked to cease and desist. Most of us agreed that the request was reasonable. If we don’t take the bait the fishermen will move on. Let’s honor our word and ignore the lure. Yes, I realize it's difficult. ---------------- True, but this isn't about War, or politics really. Though, it would seem human nature dictates that things do become personal sooner or later so I can agree with you on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Malcolm----You said to Kain "you do not like the choices of the majority of voting Americans" Of course our President was not chosen by a majority of voters, nor a plurality either. Though he was given the power to make this war by Congress fair and square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodj101 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 jethro, get your head checked and take a trip on the short bus back to grade school reading class. you obviously didn't read (or couldn't read) a damn word I said, and it shows. go back and re read. what do you think you're accomplishing by posting these flames anyway? maybe a few less friends, and a swift kick off the forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Moon---In WW II sailors and Coast Gaurdsmen had to escort convoys, hunt U-Boats, drive landing craft onto hostile beaches, engage the Japanese Combined Fleet in epic surface gunfire actions and huge carrier battles. They also had to learn to tie knots. So much to do and so little time. I don't think modern sailors are busier than those guys were. A little knot tieing should be good for sailors, make them feel like Seamen and Man-o-Warsmen and not just technicians. I also think they should bring back tarred pigtails, grog and the lash; though I doubt those ideas will go far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergeek Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 I hope everyone sees the grand scheme here. I certainly didn't include Liberals with a sarcastic condemnation of a brainwashed Muslim teenager for nothing. Look who lines up along side Kain. The well known Left posters, btw, with a lot of free time on their hands. Cattle Prod (the board took a serious dive when he showed up), Kev (a Lawyer with a vested interest in the Dem Liberal party), TBren (a union Leftist known to continuously interject his communist manifesto on an audio board & doesn't own any klipsch), & Ears & SJ (Canadian Socialists). Kev, have to say I rest my case. That oversupply of lawyers sure does seem to allow you plenty of time on your hands. Of course you support criminals. They give you the business. However, you & your 14 yr old protege missed a critical point. Radical terrorists don't consider themselves brave. They are programmed and delusioned to be self-serving. They believe they'll be rewarded in "heaven". Anywho, watching you & Prod attempt to get into the minds of self-serving cowards and their leaders is really quite humorous. OBL thought it was quite humorous that many of the 9-11 terrorists didn't know they were going to their deaths, if you saw the tape. He obviously didn't think them "brave", but very much the fools. OBL has rattled off many different reasons for his fatwa (war) against America. It seems feeble minded sorts like Prod are as good a target for the propoganda as radical Muslim. Democracies have the seeds of their destruction as is so obvious by the Liberals here. I'm not chastizing all liberals, but thank God these radical Libs like kevmo & Prod are on the lunatic fringe (&/or have ulterior political motives), & stick out like a sore camel hump to the sensible majority of America. No wonder they're so vocal in a shield of secrecy on a BB. Once again, suicide is a cowardly act. To do so with programmed delusions of rewards of 72 awaiting virgins in "heaven" is self-serving. You shouldn't just better know your audience kevmo, you should better understand your clients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethro Bodean Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Hey prod. What do you think you are gaining by posting your flames? You call everyone idiots and then wine about flames? You said we need to get some brains? Man you are really swift. I don't need to go back and read your posts. I have seen enough ignorance for one day. Forget my suggestion about joining the Marines. You probably would not like them. They teach duty, honor, and respect. Jethro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Geek----I'm a "union leftist" with a "communist manifesto"? Thank You. I've not heard of such talk since, oh, the 1950s. Did you share make-up and cross-dressing tips with J. Edgar Hoover? I think you'd look sweet in a little sundress; kiss, kiss. And I've owned alot of Klipsch speakers and still own some parts. And unlike you I'm known to post about horn loudspeakers, I can't recall having learned anything about hi-fi or horn speakers from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev313 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Forrest...uhh..Cybergeek, Radical? Superb comprehension skills. If you take the time to read my post rather than assigning my opinion to a position you might see that I merely presented a point of view that was not that of the majority. Can I say this again?? I...DO...NOT...SUPPORT...THE...TERRORIST...POSITION...I...SIMPLY...THINK...THEY...VIEW...THINGS.... DIFFERENTLY. Which is the radical position? The above, or the one that assigns me terrorist values for forum-sport and refers to people of middle-eastern origin as ragheads or posits racism around the periphery referring to "camel humps". BTW, not a criminal lawyer. In fact, my professional interests are best served, by far, by a conservative power-structure. (AHH!! LOOK OUT! More independant thinking examples!!! Shield your eyes selected Klipsch forum members...too...much..to..take) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwatkins Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 ---------------- On 3/31/2003 2:40:40 AM TBrennan wrote: Did you share make-up and cross-dressing tips with J. Edgar Hoover? ---------------- Finally - a laugh out loud portion of this thread. Still snickering.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruinsrme Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 ---------------- On 3/30/2003 9:50:33 PM TBrennan wrote: Scott---What war are you a veteran of? One of my apprentices is an ex submariner. I was amazed to learn he couldn't tie any knots, not even easy stuff like a bowline or clovehitch. He said sailors today don't tie knots. ??!!?? When my Dad was in the Coast Guard during WW II he learned all kinds of knots and even how to sail and navigate small boats. He was a real sailor, evidently some of these guys today would be helpless if exposed to the sea. I see you realized how kinky your old avatar was. :-) ---------------- Well, don't knock your bubble head friend for not being able to tie knots. The is little to no reason submarine crews need to tie knots. the lines are either supplied for the tridents at the ports, yes they fly and truck them in to various ports at a huge expense to the taxpayer, and the fast boats have their own lines that are unique to subs. The only thing bubbleheads do with line is make monkeyfists, sorry if that offends any monkeys out there, and wrap varoius items in string and line to make them look pretty. That is it. Is your apprentice a little off the deep end. The place I work the population is about 15% ex submmariners, it makes for some interesting conversations. Serve 1986 to 2000 discharged due to an injury systained while underway. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev313 Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 Oh yeah. This "Kev, have to say I rest my case. That oversupply of lawyers sure does seem to allow you plenty of time on your hands. Of course you support criminals. They give you the business." does not make sense. To the extent that you have a case it is not served by your conclusion. First, I am not a criminal lawyer, but let's table that for a moment. I'm not sure that you could point to my profession in any of your arguments above as support for your position either in general or against me personally. Unless you are saying that I am trying to create some teorrorist defense business. This is not only patently absurd, but also does not take into account the fact that I only pointed out differences in perception and not criminal defenses. Just so we are clear cyber, difference in perception (your reality vs. my reality vs. terrorist reality) is not a legal defense to murder. That is,of course, if this is what you are saying. Your post, however, does not makes this clear? Is this what you are saying, cyber? Is this the thrust of your attack against me? If not, please do articulate your position more clearly in order for me to address your concern. I eagerly anticipate your next posts and their subtle blend of logical inconsistency, personal attack, and evidence of a reading comprhension deficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruinsrme Posted March 31, 2003 Share Posted March 31, 2003 ---------------- I resent that. I was in the Navy for 4 years and was a real salor. I didn't learn all my knots, nor can I remember any of the ones I did learn. What you fail to realize, is not every sailor has a job where they need to know all the knots. No every job in the Navy is about steering a ship through the sea, or tying a ship to the peir. I for one had a job where I didn't need to know how to tie knots. Hell, I didn't have time to worry about learning now to tie knots. ---------------- I never saw topside unless I was walking on or off the boat. The navigation team was either navigating the beast thru the river, supporting the missiles and driving a 560 foot black tube with 24 nukes thru the water without hitting any uncharted sea mountains anf other ships and so on. I loved the job it was the fact I had to shave every day that I could not stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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