Moderators Amy Posted June 23, 2004 Moderators Share Posted June 23, 2004 And to lay this one to rest, the "childish tactic" mentioned was from one member posting a BLATANTLY political post in a non-political thread started by someone he doesn't get along with just to get the thread closed down. That's how I saw the exchange, at any rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 The problem, as usual, is DEFINING material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane. Can I say that tube amps have poor bass? Is that knowingly false or defamatory? That negative feedback wears out the ears? Is that inaccurate? That someones audibility is ruined by hours of hard rock? Is that abusive? That men like to play with their tubes? Is that too vulgar? Can I tell someone to go play with their Bose? Is that too hateful? If I jump on every tubelover post, is that harassing? If I recommend pointing classic Khorns into the corner, is that obscene? If I say that Paul W. Klipsch was wrong about actively powered sub-woofers, is that too profane? Aristotle drank his cup of hemlock for such profane material as the teaching of free thought and the questioning of authority. Oh, hum, so what, this has been going on the four years I have been here. The difference is the moderators quickly shut things down. How conservative the hippies of the 70s have become. (Must have been the soft Advent loudspeakers!) If members dont like a thread, let them unsubscribe from it, and start another one elsewhere. But be strong and dont close it down unless they are calling each other names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.4knee Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 ---If members dont like a thread, let them unsubscribe from it, and start another one elsewhere. But be strong and dont close it down unless they are calling each other names. Or they could simply exorcise some self control and refrain from posting things that are obviously inflammatory, its not that hard to figure out when youve gone to far in your post. If you really cant figure out whether or not your post is going to insult or unduly irritate someone then dont post it. It has been said numerous times; we do not own this forum, Klipsch does. If a person does not like the rules set forth, maybe they should consider leaving. There is a plethora of Internet chat boards where a person can post their thoughts to their hearts content. None of us want to see forum members leave, but if following the rules is causing a member too much consternation they should probably find another outlet to vent their frustrations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 ---------------- On 6/23/2004 4:15:30 PM Amy Unger wrote: And to lay this one to rest, the "childish tactic" mentioned was from one member posting a BLATANTLY political post in a non-political thread started by someone he doesn't get along with just to get the thread closed down. That's how I saw the exchange, at any rate. ---------------- Well, as a post script, here's how I see it, for whatever it's worth. Believe me or not. The member to which Amy refers is me, fini. Yeah, it was political, in a subversive way. I thought it was pretty funny, too. This subversive, off-the-wall humor is what I do. Asking me to restrict myself makes me want to push this new (it's not in the agreement) rule we have here. Push the rule, not Amy. Not for the sake of controversy itself, or to simply shut down a thread. These are topics I am passionate about (as should we all be), are "current events," and relate to us all, in every aspect of our lives. I do not think my posts offend as many people as these SET/PP circus acts, the "who's qualified to fix my Scott" messes, or any number of other silly arguments. I get along with far more folks here than I offend, I'd be willing to bet. If I've actually offended anyone here, I apologize: that was not my intent. Certainly, no one has contacted me directly to say they were offended (one member today did PM me, calling me immature, a liar, and a fool. He did not seem offended, just seemed a little threatened). On the other hand, MANY members have contacted me with support, and have thanked me for my contributions here. Now THAT is nice, because the Klipsch Forum has become like a second home, and it's nice to get compliments from one's family (trust me, I know: I have teenagers). Childish? Yeah, I'll wear that badge, too. Even my kids think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 "I get along with far more folks here than I offend, I'd be willing to bet." I love fini to death. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 SEE??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Seriously, I really enjoy your wit and humour, fini. Sometimes frustrated at work, I logged in at the end of the day to read your posts and responses to relieve some of the tension. Thanks for preserving my sanity state. And please don't leave us again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkrop Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 fini: when you swore off the forum, did you really leave a post blank with just a "."? Trey: Where's the fun in THAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbflash Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Fini, Glad to see you back. I really enjoy your posts from the last couple of years. In all that time I really didnt think anyone was offended, but I guess the winds of change are blowing. I see this post closing down by tomorrow. I also see the following people banned very soon ME,Fini,C&S,Neo33 and Colin to name a few. I use to really look forward to this BB, but in the last couple of weeks it just has gotten plain stupid. I miss the old days when BobG was too busy to check the BB. Discussions got out of hand, but it all seemed to work out. The thing that most people did was not swear. Anything else was fair game. Members would say they wanted to post, but were afraid too because they felt they were going to get jumped, but they posted anyway. Within a couple of weeks they were posting on a daily basis. Posts get closed down too quick now. I really have lost all interest. The only reason Im here is to try and score a pair ok Khorns, but even that isnt high on my list anymore. I know I cannot get any more info here on equipment because most of the players are gone. I know Scott amps are good. When I needed info about my last preamp purchase I knew no one could give me any info. I dont know if it was because of brand or price, but I never see it mentioned here. I have only seen it mentioned by an ex member and that was a couple of years ago. You go to other sites and it is all over the place. Because of this BB I have SET and PP amps. I have two good CD players. I have 4 pair of Klipsch speakers. I have two preamps. I have gone against the trend here and bought speaker wire and ICs that didnt come from Home Depot. I know this is all about Klipsch, but how many times can this BB answer the "should I buy X or should I buy Y? What do you think I will like better?" I have met a few people face to face, and emailed others. There are some REALLY GOOD people on this BB, but the other stuff is just not worth it. It just seems since the Janet Jackson thing, all the edgy places have slowly gone away. Again Fini, nice to see you posting again. Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 "Because of this BB I have SET and PP amps. I have two good CD players. I have 4 pair of Klipsch speakers. I have two preamps." And you're not broke yet? Man, you must be doing very well financially. I wish I can be in your position. I may have to sell my house some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 fini, I was trying to fill in with some of my own humor, but you sitll have me beat. Below are the rules for the Canopus forum. THey make video editing hardware and editing software: Cardinal Rules * The Privacy Statement must be respected in full. If you need to refresh your memory, you can see the agreement at the bottom of any page. * Don't make posts that are inflammatory just to get people riled up. Substance is the key. * Ad hominem attacks are not permitted. Criticize ideas, not people. Excessive flaming will not be tolerated. Users who verbally assault the character or person of other posters on a regular basis will be banned. Name calling is best left to grade school. Moderator's judgment applies here. * No pornographic, sexually offensive, sexually explicit, or objectifying material. Simple rule. Moderator's judgment applies here. We'd like for our readers to be able to read the Canopus forums at work and share with friends without fear of retribution. * Do not post links or requests for warez. * Respect the privacy of others. Do not post other's phone numbers, addresses, pictures, etc., without their express permission. * Each forum member may have only one account. * Each forum member must maintain e-mail. All users must provide a current, frequently read e-mail address in his/her internal profile. Note that non-moderators do not have access to your internal e-mail address (which is separate from "Display e-mail"). * Do not place foul language in thread subjects. * No user may use the name of Canopus or any of it's products in their username unless they are a member of the Canopus Staff. * And of course, NO SPAMMING. No commercial-oriented posts, and no flooding with useless content. Compulsory Rules * Use descriptive subject lines and research your post. This reduces the chances of double-posting, and it also makes it easier for people to see what they do/don't want to read. Also, scan the subjects of the last several days' posts to make sure you aren't duplicating posts. * Post in the right forum! If it's about Software, post it in the Software forum. Even if it's only humor, an observation, or angst, if it's about something that we have a forum for, post it there. * DO NOT attempt to subvert, modify, or disrupt the normal flow or display of the Canopus Forum or its content. * The use of foul language is not permitted in the Canopus Forums. We have set up a filter to attempt to moderate this as well, but it's impossible to keep up with the multitude of spellings and derivative words of cuss words. So please use your best judgement when posting and not use words that might across as offensive to others on the boards. * No blatantly juvenile toilet humor. Simple rule. Moderator's judgment applies here. Talk about what you do to relieve yourself, although popular (for some odd reason) is not needed here. * Most importantly enjoy your time here at the forums. I especially like the one close to the bottom about 'toilet humor'. I hadn't noticed it there, but I've not been a member for long. BTW, you must own one of thier products to even view posts. I don't like that, but I don't own the forum either. Marvel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 ---------------- On 6/23/2004 5:42:04 PM fini wrote: Well, as a post script, here's how I see it, for whatever it's worth. Believe me or not. The member to which Amy refers is me, fini. Yeah, it was political, in a subversive way. I thought it was pretty funny, too. This subversive, off-the-wall humor is what I do. Asking me to restrict myself makes me want to push this new (it's not in the agreement) rule we have here. Push the rule, not Amy. Not for the sake of controversy itself, or to simply shut down a thread. These are topics I am passionate about (as should we all be), are "current events," and relate to us all, in every aspect of our lives. I do not think my posts offend as many people as these SET/PP circus acts, the "who's qualified to fix my Scott" messes, or any number of other silly arguments. I get along with far more folks here than I offend, I'd be willing to bet. If I've actually offended anyone here, I apologize: that was not my intent. Certainly, no one has contacted me directly to say they were offended (one member today did PM me, calling me immature, a liar, and a fool. He did not seem offended, just seemed a little threatened). On the other hand, MANY members have contacted me with support, and have thanked me for my contributions here. Now THAT is nice, because the Klipsch Forum has become like a second home, and it's nice to get compliments from one's family (trust me, I know: I have teenagers). Childish? Yeah, I'll wear that badge, too. Even my kids think so. ---------------- Well you had never offended me until now "who's qualified to fix my Scott" messes That really hurt LOL !! Stick around buddy we miss you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st. patrick Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 fini, i also have never taken offense at anything you posted. generally i really enjoy your somewhat goofy (amy and trey, this is meant in a most complimentary way) sense of humor, your often thought provoking intellectual quips and look forward to meeting you some day.....if i am ever allowed to leave the central coast and migrate north. i will also admit that occasionally some of your quips are too esoteric for me to catch, but i figure that is my problem, and not yours!! we need people who make us stop and think.....and sometimes laugh at ourselves. patrick (ain't no saint) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Marvel, Those rules are very similar to those over at the Kohler forum, except they allow toilet humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryC Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 ---------------- On 6/23/2004 7:01:43 PM Marvel wrote: Below are the rules for the Canopus forum.... ---------------- Marvel, Is it just me, or do the Canopus rules seem clear, acceptable, and most likely effective? I could see benefit to emphasizing some of them here. Fini was "political"? Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.4knee Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 I have to admit seeing "fini" back does bring about a sense of normalcy to the forum again. I probably should have clarified in my earlier post when I said we should exorcise restraint, I was referring to responding to other members posts and posting a troll topic you know will start a flame war. Debate and dissention is a good thing, fini humor is a great thing though. Glad to see fini back on campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundthought Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Fini..... Yeah..... Hurrah.... ..... ..... What this place needs is a good round of you, me, Clu, and BBB. Remember them 'ole days? Sigh... Demented, deranged, denatured, denotative, connotative, correlated, congested, and all the fun stuff in between. After all, it's all about the context, right? Given each individuals' differing views, is it not true that most anything can be misconstrued if taken out of context? Anything..... Or for that matter, anything can be seen from multiple facets given the nature of context that is implied or represented. IMHO. It really comes down to "knowing" the individual and where they are coming from, given their particular disposition. Only then can we honestly comprehend the true nature of their words or actions. Just a thought. Seems to me, that most people are well aware of the nature in which they respond to a post, blatent or otherwise. How couldn't they be? It's not like we don't have time to re-think our responses prior to pushing the submit button. Real life doesn't afford us that luxury. Why shouldn't we attempt to correct our interpersonal shortcomings when given the opportunity to in a place such as this? I, for one, will be the first to admit that i'm no angel. But....I make a great attempt to be as civil and personable as possible when given the opportunity. Let's keep this place civil so that we may continue to patronize it. Our Klipsch BB is an oasis of friendship and knowledge that has endured longer than most and can continue to thrive if stick together. Regards, John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clipped and Shorn Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 ---------------- On 6/23/2004 3:59:39 PM Anarchist wrote: (I believe that was what C&S was getting at rather than simply mocking you Amy) Politics has been off limits for a few weeks now AND the flames continue in audio threads. Yes, thank you. It would be a shame to inhibit the creative contributors while letting slide the picayune, and in the end accomplishing nothing. C&S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 J.4knee, exorcise? Definition: \Ex"or*cise\ (ks"r*sz), v. t. 1. To cast out, as a devil, evil spirits, etc., by conjuration or summoning by a holy name, or by certain ceremonies; to expel (a demon) or to conjure (a demon) to depart out of a person possessed by one. I exorsised restraint when I posted this.[img src='http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/6.gif'> But, I know the you mean exercise restraint. No offense meant, I just thought that the dichotomy was priceless. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 ---------------- On 6/23/2004 1:37:07 PM Zeke_in_KC wrote: Excuse me, I mistakenly thought you were addressing me, guess you were posting a response to Amy. Either that or you are thinking you can cover your tracks. ---------------- Does this qualify as "childish tactics"? I've lurked here for about two weeks, received much valuable information on my Cornwalls, yet am already growing somewhat tired. I'm merely one person with limited scope but I think this implies a problem. I'm new to the Klipsch world, have all sorts of newbie excitement and energy, yet sense undertones of frustration here? "Not good." I'll lurk/post more, however, this could just be a short term trend. ---------------- I find this to be incredibly sad. I don't blame you... The forum has gone to the crapper as of late. It has not always been like this. Hopefully things will calm down and this will stop. I've been here for over 2 years now and I've never seen it this bad... It's like this perpetual ball that just keeps rolling and rolling. Anyway, congrats on the Cornwalls... I hear they are an incredible speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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