Zen Traveler Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 I have no agenda. Just stating a fact. I won't share my opinion on the issue of "Gun Control," because that is not why I signed up for this Forum. I can't imagine people on either side of the issue thinking THIS child should have had access to a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagne taste beer budget Posted March 22, 2005 Author Share Posted March 22, 2005 In the last hour I've gotten the bare facts about this individual, but some of the laws and policies regarding information release just astound me. I don't feel this forum is the place to discuss it though. Your tax dollars at work my a$$. As far as the gun deal, hey, this is Minnesota. I don't have the exact numbers, but every year somewhere like 250,000 people participate in the deer hunting opener. Ducks, bear, moose, rabbit, quail, geese, racoons, coyotes, fox, heck, they hunt most any critter out there. There are a LOT of guns in this state. If you didn't have one, and wanted one, it wouldn't be hard to get your hands on one. In the bigger cities, buy one on the street for $20. If you're out in the country, there are a lot of empty unlocked homes during the day. If you're bent on shooting someone, breaking and entering wouldn't be a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 This kid should not have had access to a gun or any other weapon. He, maybe, should not have had access to the school! It's starting to sound like he was a walking time bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 My last response on this thread. This was a sad situation. I stand by my written sentiments on THIS case. As far as telling other parents how to raise their kids and what kind of access they should have to public school...Good Luck. Boomac, Nice gear by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 they were asking this morning on MPR - (minnesota public radio) about the school's security system... the school had metal detectors and at least one security guard (unarmed).... the shooter walked right through the metal detectors and shot the security guard first... so much for metal detectors protecting ANYONE in the school.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Between this incedent and the sex offender in Florida, one could make a good case for bringing back lobotomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meuge Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 "Guns don't kill people, kids who play violent videogames kill people." Just watch - this'll get blamed on television or on videogames. It seems that no one wants to take responsibility for people's violent acts anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 here i am in minnesota and the following article is printed in a london newspaper.... A neo-nazi 'angel of death' Sarah Left uncovers a series of website posts apparently linking Jeff Weise to extreme rightwing politics Tuesday March 22, 2005 Jeff Weise, the 17-year-old named in newspaper reports as the gunman in the Red Lake school shooting, may have been investigated last year in connection with a shooting threat to the school, according to posts made on a Nazi website. Over a five-month period between March and August 2004, someone identifying himself as Weise posted numerous messages on a talkboard hosted by Nazi.org, the website of the Libertarian National Socialist Green party. The party promotes a Nazi philosophy of racial purity. In March 2004, a chatroom participant tagged Todesengel ("angel of death") began a thread titled "Native American Nationalist?" and introduced himself as "Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake 'Indian' reservation in Minnesota". Todesengel expressed interest in joining the party and said he had done a great deal of research on Hitler, a man he much admired. Later in the thread, Todesengel changed his tag to NativeNazi. "When I was growing up, I was taught (like others) that Nazi's were (are) evil and that Hitler was a very evil man, ect," wrote Todesengel, in a quote not corrected for spelling and grammar. "Of course, not for a second did I believe this. Upon reading up on his actions, the ideals and issues the German Third Reich adressed, I began to see how much of a lie had been painted about them. They truly were doing it for the better." On April 19 2004, he posted to the talkboard: "By the way, I'm being blamed for a threat on the school I attend because someone said they were going to shoot up the school on 4/20, Hitlers birthday, and just because I claim being a National Socialist, guess whom they've pinned?" By May 26 the incident seemed to have blown over, with Todesengel posting: "But the school threat passed and I was cleared as a suspect, I'm glad for that. I don't much care for jail, I've never been there and I don't plan on it." The gun rampage through the remote northern Minnesota reservation yesterday left 10 people dead. Reports suggested that Weise took a shotgun and at least one handgun belonging to his grandfather, a veteran local police officer. He shot his grandparents, who later died, before moving on to Red Lake high school and killing five students, a teacher, a security guard and ultimately himself. Today the Libertarian National Socialist Green party said incidents such as yesterday's shooting were to be expected when "thinking people are crammed into an unthinking, irrational modern society". "We knew briefly through 34 posts he made on the forum. He expressed himself well and was clearly highly intelligent and contemplative, especially for one so young," the site's administrator said in statement posted today on Nazi.org. "Weise participated in the forum in part because, unlike 'white nationalist' or 'white power' movements, the LNSG embraces all races as part of its vision of world nationalism. His statements on the site reflected a frustration with the populist politics and materialistic arrogance of modern society," the statement continued. In a July 13 post, NativeNazi expressed his concern that Native Americans had turned their backs on racial purity and were being weakened by "interracial mixing". He was particularly annoyed that young Native Americans were copying the culture of African Americans. "Where I live less than 1% of all the people on the Reservation can speak their own language, and among the youth wanting to be black has run ramped. We have kids my age killing each other over things as simple as a fight, and it's because of the rap influence. Wannabe-gangsters everywhere, I can't go 5 feet without hearing someone blasting some rap song over their speakers," he complained. He went on: "It's hard though, being a Native American National Socialist, people are so misinformed, ignorant, and close minded it makes your life a living hell." http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1443462,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomac Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 It's too easy to cast blame on TV, movies, video games, music, guns & other weapons. That said, I think we have a responsibility to look into the impact that each has on such crime and what, if any, changes would yield positive results. We value freedom in this country and sometimes the costs of it are high. Many suffered dearly to obtain it and unfortunately, some have suffered because of it. I'm willing to consider anything that would truly help but Im against jumping on any bandwagon thats just out there playin sour notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Yeah, blame the gun. That's quick and easy, and being Americans - we LIKE the quick and easy. If its a harder problem than that, then let's all ignore it because the answer will take too much time. DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 stuff like this happens because americans are giving up thier freedom by the pound, and most are too happy to allow the government to take care of everything as long as they have a few dollars in there pockets, and live in a fantasy that it will all be ok and that wont happen to me, the so called freedom we have is less and less every day, kids do crazy crap like this because they get no guideance and, and are not MADE TO ACT RESPONSIABLY, the govt morons have people too scared to discipline there kid when they screw up, so the kid goes off thinking wrong is right, then you have the parent or guardian that is just to self indulged to care what the kid is doing, (made to be seen and not heard)let the govt. or the schools take care of them im too busy type attitude, SOCIAL SERVICES REALLY DID A NICE JOB WITH THIS KID DIDNT THEY, they were involved as soon as the kids mother was put away just my opinion Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 hmmm, I know nothing about this but I bet money that the school was in a richer neighborhood. Kids get shot in and around the poorer downtown schools all the time. I think it's one of those things that we need to not give it so much attention because that's all these kids are after. (kinda like ignoring the kid that fell of the swing, because you know the second you go over there he will start crying...you don't go over there and the kid shrugs it off) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customsteve01 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 From what I read the mother just didn't go crazy, she was in an auto accident and got a brain injury, which is alot different than going crazy. Social sevices probably did get involved just long enough to find out the grandparents would take him and that would be the end of it. IMO the problem we have here is NO DISCIPLINED at any level. We have to many bleeding hearts saying that you can't punish people for what they have done because its not there fault. I would bet that if the punishment would meet or exceed the crime alot less crime would be happening. and again thats just my opinion, which I am entitled to. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minn_male42 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 ---------------- On 3/22/2005 4:14:47 PM DrWho wrote: hmmm, I know nothing about this but I bet money that the school was in a richer neighborhood. Kids get shot in and around the poorer downtown schools all the time. I think it's one of those things that we need to not give it so much attention because that's all these kids are after. (kinda like ignoring the kid that fell of the swing, because you know the second you go over there he will start crying...you don't go over there and the kid shrugs it off) ---------------- the school is on the red lake indian reservation - one of the poorest areas of the state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 There should be a law against psychotic teenagers. I think it's time we seriously consider a ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerFan Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Wow, the Terri Shiavo story is just so HUGE here in my area that all I know about this latest school shooting is it happened in MN. Only a smaller heading on the cover of the SP Times about it. It's all Shiavo and John Couey. Any other time this story would have dominated the paper. I'm going to have to read up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnm Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 A tragic event. My sympathies to those who lost family or friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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