126mhz Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 I have soft starts for all my tube gear but I think I might be able to benifit from a power conditioner for my main system which I have recently begun using for home movies. Somtimes I hear a few brief and light "Pops" once in awhile for a brief time right after I pwoer my system up. Currently I am using a ST70 as an amp and a reworked Carver C4000 Pre amp and a Toshiba 3960 player. (Of course I have evreything driving a pair of LaScalas with a Carver true sub). I'm happy with the set up but it was a friend who told me bad, (unclean power) was the "Bug" that caused the little "Pops" I've mentioned. Monster is currently ofering a Hts 3500 MkII for a final price of $149.00, (after a fifty buck rebate) is this Monster worth having? Do you guys think it will put an end to my infrequent "Pop" issue? Thanks as always, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.records Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Bill, I have no experience with the Monster HTS 3500, but I have read mention of the sale on another audio site, and they rave about it for the price offered. Other than that, I can't comment. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 WIthout knowledge of the technical specifics of the piece, I'd lean towards Furman in the category. I would be surprised if Monster all of a sudden started offering bargains to the audio world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 the"pop" is probably not a power quality issue .. tube noise ..perhasps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 What else is on the circuit that feeds those outlets. If there is something with a large motor (i.e., compressor on a refrigerator etc) sharing that circuit, that could be causing the pops. Other possibilities include marginal tubes or a marginal cap on the power supply. Have you ruled out a pop on the CD itself (if it were, then it would happen consistently on re-play). Good Luck, -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rplace Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Tom/others, please elaborate on these pops and other loads on the circuits if you can. Here is my current situation. I don't recall ever hearing a pot when listening to audio CDs or Vinyl in two channel. When I watch movies (DVDs), Concert DVDs or listen to multi channel music I will hear a pop/crack from time time. I think, but not sure it is coming from my surrounds not mains. When I built a dedicated room in my basement I ran two 20 amp circuits. One powers just the equipment - all the equipment including sub and projector. The other handles all the lights, outlets, dimmers etc. The circuit that powers the equipment has a Furman PL8-PRO-II Power Conditioner, 20 Amp w/ LEDs installed. All the equipment is connected to the furman first http://www.furmansound.com/products/pro/pwr_cond_seq/cond/_20a/plpro_2.php The LEDs on the furman consistently read a bit on the high side at 124 or 126. I live in a rural area so I have a well pump and regulating diaphragm. I am not sure but I seem to recall that the pops happen close to the well pump running or when the pump diaphragm reaches it upper or lower limits. The whole pump thing is on a 220 circuit. So, if my equipment is all on its own circuit and connected to the furman what might be causing my pops? Sorry to hijack the thread...but this might be related. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
126mhz Posted February 14, 2006 Author Share Posted February 14, 2006 See I have to rule out the amp for a could of reasons; 1. It has brecently been redone with all new caps etc. as well as a brand new matched quad of JJ tubes. 2. The same (once in a while small "Pop" is present with four other amplifiers I've switched into the system, two of which are near new solid state. As far at the what else draws on the household breaker, the living room light. Time will tell because I will not stop until I get to the bottom of it. Thanks fo rht input, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 If you're going to invest in power conditioning, Furman is still the industry leader in bang-for-the-buck power conditioners - and now even their low-end units are series mode, instead of the typical xxx0 joule rated MOV power units like Monster, Panamax, et al... Saves you from a lot of replacing units if you're getting those kinds of spikes in your voltage (significant enough to cause your audio gear to pop is a pretty good spike...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshnich Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 If you're going to invest in power conditioning, Furman is still the industry leader in bang-for-the-buck power conditioners - and now even their low-end units are series mode, instead of the typical xxx0 joule rated MOV power units like Monster, Panamax, et al... Saves you from a lot of replacing units if you're getting those kinds of spikes in your voltage (significant enough to cause your audio gear to pop is a pretty good spike...) Hey Griff, Not being an expert on joules etc, what furman model would you recommend for typical home use? I now have a cheap panamax but I understand that it will wear out after a time and when I replace it, I want something that will last but will not kill the bank. Thanks Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Somtimes I hear a few brief and light "Pops" once in awhile for a brief time right after I pwoer my system up. Summer or Winter ... or both? It may be static buildup... but it's just guessing based on the little info we have. What kind of flooring do you have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
126mhz Posted February 15, 2006 Author Share Posted February 15, 2006 If you're going to invest in power conditioning, Furman is still the industry leader in bang-for-the-buck power conditioners - and now even their low-end units are series mode, instead of the typical xxx0 joule rated MOV power units like Monster, Panamax, et al... Saves you from a lot of replacing units if you're getting those kinds of spikes in your voltage (significant enough to cause your audio gear to pop is a pretty good spike...) Hey Griff, Not being an expert on joules etc, what furman model would you recommend for typical home use? I now have a cheap panamax but I understand that it will wear out after a time and when I replace it, I want something that will last but will not kill the bank. Thanks Josh Yes Griff; If you could take the time to look over Furman's site/products knowing I'm a regular guy who doesn't want to take out a second mortgage on my home and let me know which one would work best for home use I would greatly appreciate it.; I'm not that into all the specs and it would be very helpful. Thanks so much guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 No need. For basic surge and conditioning I use the little PL-8 models on my audio rig - 2 of them - one for my computer, mixer and DAC, and another for the amp, preamp, CD player, and TT. You can pick them up for around $100 apiece at most local music stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 If you could take the time to look over Furman's site/products knowing I'm a regular guy who doesn't want to take out a second mortgage on my home and let me know which one would work best for home use I would greatly appreciate it.; I'm not that into all the specs and it would be very helpful. I find heir model numbers quite difficult to interpret too... even though they have tried to make them logical. I think they realise this, and so provide a "product selection guide" to help choose the best unit for your needs. http://www.furmansound.com/products/product_solutions/product_solutions.php There are several basic convenience features that may sway you to choose one model over another... for example if it has a remote control. (my understanding is this is designated by an "R" for example the PS-8R is the same as the PS-8 but can be turned on by remote control). Power sequencing (turning things on in a certain sequence with delays to avoid "turn-on pop") is another feature not built into every unit. Again my understanding is it's designated by a "S" in the name... like the PS-8 is the same as the PL-8 but with the sequencer. ROb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 See, I just leave my conditioner (and my amps and what not) running all the time anyhow. Easier on the caps to let the thing run rather than turning it on and off all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in ABQ Posted February 15, 2006 Share Posted February 15, 2006 Griffinator may be right about the Furman being the best. FYI, the Moster unit is only $109 after rebate with free shipping from http://www.buy.com/prod/Monster_Power_HTS3500MKII_10_Outlet_PowerCenter_w_Stage_3_Filtering/q/loc/111/90119434.html Quite the deal anyway you look at it. I've placed my order. Not sure myself, what's causing your pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
126mhz Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 Dave; Do you know anyway I can contact Buy.com via land line? I just HATE to give my credtit card to any web site, (I never have) and I think I might want to jump on this unit. Griff: Once again guys like you are the reason I LOVE this site! Seriously, I have recieved more real world information from people like myself who listen to music and do not wish to be part of the "Audiophile" hype that teaches one has to blow huge money to get great sound. Very helpful information, thanks so much fellas, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerwoodKhorns Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Dave; Do you know anyway I can contact Buy.com via land line? I just HATE to give my credtit card to any web site, (I never have) and I think I might want to jump on this unit. Griff: Once again guys like you are the reason I LOVE this site! Seriously, I have recieved more real world information from people like myself who listen to music and do not wish to be part of the "Audiophile" hype that teaches one has to blow huge money to get great sound. Very helpful information, thanks so much fellas, 126, I just bought one of the Monster units. I don't like to give out my credit card on the net either. I just use paypal. A lot of sites are starting to take it. nice that they will not get your credit card info and you still have the remedy of the credit card company if they rip you off. Make sure you select the Budget shipping or they will hit you for $17 to ship. I can't believe that I bought a Monster product! Actually, I bought a set fo JBL's recently and they came with monster cable made for JBL (it was marked Monster cable and made for JBL). Actually, it is very good wire, just way overpriced, same as this power conditioner, but for $109.00... Interestingly enough, I have my "Monster/JBL" wire hooked up to a set of Bose 2.2's while I re-cap the crossovers in the JBL's. I bought the Bose speakers years ago and they were recently given back to me. Hmmmmm... Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Lindsey Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I bought the Hts 3500 new about 4 years ago and it ran me $350 I think. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 http://www.brickwall.com/ I run one of these and like it a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
126mhz Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 I can't believe I bought anything with Monster on it but it was too good a deal given the features I wanted. I hope everything works out with Buy.com and my New Monster HTS3500 MkII. On the checkout page the final price showed FREE "Budget" shipping,...it said it should arrive in 7-9 business days. $159.99 and the fifty buck rebate showed a final price of $109.99,....not bad. We'll see. Once again thanks for all the input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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