1972 Heresy pair available on Ebay

[soundbug1]

I dont know if this is proper to notify Klipsch users that I have a

very old pair of Heresy's available on Ebay. If not then I guess

this post will be deleted. If you are interested you can see them at:

1972 Klipsch Heresy pair

Thanks,

Mark Jr

[garymd]

Those are nice but I like my '72s better.[]

[rplace]

Gary, I would think those sound sort of 'hollow'...cool to look at though.

[garymd]

Gary, I would think those sound sort of 'hollow'...cool to look at though.

Har har har Rich.[] I don't think they sounded like much when those pics were taken but they've been refilled.

[seti]

"Considering that a new pair of Heresy II speakers cost $650 direct from Klipsch and those cabinets are made of cardboard AND considering that a new pair of HERESY III speakers will cost you over $1500, my reserve is quite fair."

WOW didn't realize they were now made from cardboard ; )

[codhead]

The ones I really liked were the '61? Khorns that you sold to some guy

in Japan a couple of years ago. Those were the most beautiful dead mint

old Khorns I think I've ever seen!

[soundbug1]

"Considering that a new pair of Heresy II speakers

cost $650 direct from Klipsch and those cabinets are made of cardboard

AND considering that a new pair of HERESY III speakers will cost you

over $1500, my reserve is quite fair."

WOW didn't realize they were now made from cardboard ; )

Heresy II's are garbage in my opinion. The cabs are made of Masonite

which is like a really hard cardboard. Its a junk product. I certainly

hope Klipsch did better with the Series IIIs. I simply cant understand

how Americans have come to view plastic, fiberboard, masonite or

cardboard as "quality" materials when it comes to products.

[soundbug1]

The ones I really liked were the '61? Khorns that you sold to some guy

in Japan a couple of years ago. Those were the most beautiful dead mint

old Khorns I think I've ever seen!

Thank you. Yes, those horns were quite unique and fully loaded with the

good stuff, especially those Fiberglass/plywood midrange horns. The guy

paid another $1500 to have them shipped. That should tell you something

abouot their perceived value in Japan.

[SilverSport]

they are actually MDF which is supposed to be better than the plywood of my "regular" Heresys...Bill

[Frzninvt]

I think these are the same people that sold my brother in law Gilbert some vertical '67 or '68 Cornwalls a couple of years ago and when he got them one was missing a woofer and needed some crossover work. They never settled up to my knowledge.

They come off as know it all's! He is selling some DBX SF1-A's and I informed him that the SFC-1 controller was required to make them work correctly, and he proceeded to tell me that it was merely a bass circuit and it was an option for the speakers and not needed which is not even close to being right.

I have a pair (DBX SF1-A) and the (SFC-1) controller was provided with the speakers and it is far more than a bass circuit, I have opened the unit up and I can assure you it is much more than that. I have the user manual .pdf'd that I was going to send him and educate them but I don't think it would have made a difference.

Nice that they choose to sell a pair of speakers without mention of the controller needed to operate them correctly, then come off like they know what they are talking about. I notified them about the controller, but they obviously feel that is not information that potential bidders need to have. Not to forthright in my opinion.

Proceed with caution!

[scott0527]

I dont know if this is proper to notify Klipsch users that I have a very old pair of Heresy's available on Ebay. If not then I guess this post will be deleted. If you are interested you can see them at:

1972 Klipsch Heresy pair

Thanks,

Mark Jr

Mark,

I wouldn't bother with using the Klipsch board to promote your Ebay auctions. There are enough Ebay eyes among the forum members that if there is nice Klipsch item on Ebay, we'll all hear about it. The self promoting riles people up and possibly is against the forum rules.

[oldbuckster]

"Considering that a new pair of Heresy II speakers cost $650 direct from Klipsch and those cabinets are made of cardboard AND considering that a new pair of HERESY III speakers will cost you over $1500, my reserve is quite fair." WOW didn't realize they were now made from cardboard ; )

Heresy II's are garbage in my opinion. The cabs are made of Masonite which is like a really hard cardboard. Its a junk product. I certainly hope Klipsch did better with the Series IIIs. I simply cant understand how Americans have come to view plastic, fiberboard, masonite or cardboard as "quality" materials when it comes to products.

You are entitled to your opinion, but your facts are a little off the mark. Where do they use masonite on the garbage Heresy II's I just bought? I've looked all over this junk product and can't find it, Did I get cheated? Wow, cardboard cabinets direct from Klipsch, must be pretty light to ship, how about that quality?I should E-mail Klipsch and find out how much more money they need to get, I guess I didn't pay enough. Thanks for the input.

[scott0527]

Edit... no mind.

[soundbug1]

"Considering that a new pair of Heresy II speakers cost

$650 direct from Klipsch and those cabinets are made of cardboard AND

considering that a new pair of HERESY III speakers will cost you over

$1500, my reserve is quite fair." WOW didn't realize they were now made

from cardboard ; )

Heresy II's are garbage in my

opinion. The cabs are made of Masonite which is like a really hard

cardboard. Its a junk product. I certainly hope Klipsch did better with

the Series IIIs. I simply cant understand how Americans have come to

view plastic, fiberboard, masonite or cardboard as "quality" materials

when it comes to products.

You are entitled to your opinion, but your facts are a little

off the mark. Where do they use masonite on the garbage

Heresy II's I just bought? I've looked all over this junk product and

can't find it, Did I get cheated? Wow, cardboard cabinets direct from

Klipsch, must be pretty light to ship, how about that quality?I should

E-mail Klipsch and find out how much more money they need to get, I

guess I didn't pay enough. Thanks for the input.

I have three pair of Klipsch Heresy II's and the cabinets are made of

masonite. Masonit or MFD is garbage when comparred to plywood or int

ehcase of very exquisite spekers, real wood. Heresy II's with

their plastic horns and and poor quality materials are junk in my

opinion but as a seller I'm more than happy to sell them to people who

believe that they are quality.

[soundbug1]

I think these are the same people that sold

my brother in law Gilbert some vertical '67 or '68 Cornwalls a couple

of years ago and when he got them one was missing a woofer and needed

some crossover work. They never settled up to my knowledge.

They come off as know it all's! He is selling some DBX SF1-A's

and I informed him that the SFC-1 controller was required to make them

work correctly, and he proceeded to tell me that it was merely a bass

circuit and it was an option for the speakers and not needed which is

not even close to being right.

I have a pair (DBX SF1-A) and the (SFC-1) controller was provided

with the speakers and it is far more than a bass circuit, I have opened

the unit up and I can assure you it is much more than that. I

have the user manual .pdf'd that I was going to send him and

educate them but I don't think it would have made a difference.

Nice that they choose to sell a pair of speakers without mention of

the controller needed to operate them correctly, then come off like

they know what they are talking about. I notified them about the

controller, but they obviously feel that is not information that

potential bidders need to have. Not to forthright in my opinion.

Proceed with caution!

I have NEVER sold anyone a pair of Klipsch speakers missing a

woofer or in need of crossover work. The only pair of verticals I sold

were picked up by the customer who auditioned them before buying.

Please see my listing for the DBX speakers. If you are DUMB enough

to believe that I'm selling anything other than advertised OR pictured,

then perhaps you can post a ridiculous post like Frzninvt did and

falsely smear my name further.

I wont post here again, as many of these posters want nothing more than a fight. I'm sure I wont be missed.

Self promotion is never a bad thing except when it comes to selling a product with the KLIPSCH name on it.

Mark Voigt Jr.

Providence RI

[oldbuckster]

"Considering that a new pair of Heresy II speakers cost $650 direct from Klipsch and those cabinets are made of cardboard AND considering that a new pair of HERESY III speakers will cost you over $1500, my reserve is quite fair." WOW didn't realize they were now made from cardboard ; )

Heresy II's are garbage in my opinion. The cabs are made of Masonite which is like a really hard cardboard. Its a junk product. I certainly hope Klipsch did better with the Series IIIs. I simply cant understand how Americans have come to view plastic, fiberboard, masonite or cardboard as "quality" materials when it comes to products.

You are entitled to your opinion, but your facts are a little off the mark. Where do they use masonite on the garbage Heresy II's I just bought? I've looked all over this junk product and can't find it, Did I get cheated? Wow, cardboard cabinets direct from Klipsch, must be pretty light to ship, how about that quality?I should E-mail Klipsch and find out how much more money they need to get, I guess I didn't pay enough. Thanks for the input.

I have three pair of Klipsch Heresy II's and the cabinets are made of masonite. Masonit or MFD is garbage when comparred to plywood or int ehcase of very exquisite spekers, real wood. Heresy II's with their plastic horns and and poor quality materials are junk in my opinion but as a seller I'm more than happy to sell them to people who believe that they are quality.

Why would a person contact the forum, post a pair of speakers for sale, call other forum members speakers garbage, run the Klipsch name in the ground,and is happy to sell people junk, but your speakers are the best, would you think that anyone here would even give your speakers a thought? If H2's are such garbage, why in the world did you buy 3prs.?You feel no shame selling garbage to people, because your the seller, and people want to buy garbage?Tell you what I'll do, I'll take those other H2's off your hands,$100. for all 3 prs.?That's because I feel bad for you being stuck with 3prs. of H2's. Maybe I could pay alittle more, because shipping cardboard is pretty cheap!!

[Kriton]

Wow, that was pretty cocky. Do you actually listen to the

equipment you are selling, or ...? H2's garbage? $650.00

new from factory? FYI, if you care, I got my spanky brand new

H2's off the Klipsch Ebay store within the last 4 weeks for

$545.00...just thought I would throw that out there... Oh, and I would

like to know about any ALL wood speakers that you have seen, because

everyone, even the high ends that I have seen have all been made from

plywood or MDF, but who knows...I could be way wrong on this...Not

trying to start a fight you know...

Anyways...folks from the forum who actually know something about these

speakers...weren't the 1972 models BUTT joined? Like my 1979

models? Why are these all authentic, never touched speakers

MITERED? I thought they didn't start that until the H2's?

Does this mean these were refinished at some point?

Also, hmmm...is that a mashed rear corner I see in one picture, aren't

those rather difficult if not impossible to fix without reveneering?

Just curious...

K

[soundbug1]

Wow, that was pretty cocky. Do you actually listen to the

equipment you are selling, or ...? H2's garbage? $650.00

new from factory? FYI, if you care, I got my spanky brand new

H2's off the Klipsch Ebay store within the last 4 weeks for

$545.00...just thought I would throw that out there... Oh, and I would

like to know about any ALL wood speakers that you have seen, because

everyone, even the high ends that I have seen have all been made from

plywood or MDF, but who knows...I could be way wrong on this...Not

trying to start a fight you know...

Anyways...folks from the forum who actually know something about these

speakers...weren't the 1972 models BUTT joined? Like my 1979

models? Why are these all authentic, never touched speakers

MITERED? I thought they didn't start that until the H2's?

Does this mean these were refinished at some point?

Also, hmmm...is that a mashed rear corner I see in one picture, aren't

those rather difficult if not impossible to fix without reveneering?

Just curious...

K

(No mashed corners on this pair...your eyes failed you.)

Well I'm back for a little more abuse because I need to clarify some stuff.

First off, I'm a businessman... In the stereo game to make money. I

currently have three pair of Heresy's that I think are junk but

because I know that someone will buy them for $300- $500 a pair I have

invested money into them with the idea of MAKING MONEY. Its called a

business. If it were up to me I'd only stock HIGH END equipment and

Klipsch would'nt make the cut by a LONG SHOT! I deal in what the market

makes available to me and have to lower my standards to match

others. If it were up to the posters on this issue, all stereo

would be free of charge to Americans or at least available at the

Salvation Army at command for a 100th of what it cost new. I make no

bones about my business. If you are willing to buy it, I'm willing to

sell it and I always guarantee that what you get is what I

advertise...the last time I looked I pretty stellar feedback on Ebay!

Second....the use of the word cardboard is over analyzed here. The

Heresy II's are made of MASONITE!!! ( If you or Klipsch wish to call it

MFD and make yourselves feel good...go ahead.) A product I think is as

junky as cardboard. Matter of fact, masonite (MFD) is made by glueing

together ground up bits of wood and PAPER, not unlike cardboard

although a little denser and thus stronger. Klipsch uses this product

because of it's MONETARY savings NOT because it is a better product in

any way shape of form. Klipsch speakers made from this product go

quite well with knock down furniture from IKEA but are in no way near

the same quality of the VINTAGE Klipsch speakers made from

plywood. They might SOUND fine but they are made with GARBAGE

materials. Since when did Americans start thinking that Masonite, MFD,

HDF or plastic was suitable replacement for wood, glass and

steel?....ANSWER: When all the idiot consumers started accepting

it as such AND PAID MORE FOR IT!!!

Third. I have determined that these are 1972 Klipsch speakers due to

the serial numbers which I BELIEVE are indicitive of a 1972 model. I

also think the components installed are of 1972 vintage. These are a

USED pair of speakers. I have no idea if they have been reveneered

sometime in their lives but if they have been, the job looks as

professional as anything Klipsch could have done to begin with. I am

selling the speakers based on CONDITION, Vintage, QUALITY of the

product, and the fact that ALL ELEMENTS look to be original and work.

Fourth. Getting a pair of Heresy II's on ebay for $545...too bad you

spent your money on modern crap! (But at least you didnt pay $650 or a

little over $900 as I SAW a couple of people do on previous Ebay

auctions.) Part your speakers out....see if you get anywhere near what

you paid. I dont think there is a high demand for plastic horns,

plastic drivers, crap cabinets or modern Klipsch woofers.

Fifth and finally. A pair of speakers I have on Ebay and Audiogon now

made by CAIN & CAIN are predominantly REAL WOOD. Not plywood...real

wood. The Sonus Fabers I sold earlier this year are REAL WOOD and the

Early USHERS I sold a couple of years ago are also REAL WOOD. Granted

there arent many speakers made of it but those that are, are exquisite.

They are tuned perfectly to the drivers and make ANYTHING Klipsch EVER

made sound quite lacking in dimensionality and reality. Plywood is a

FINE choice for speakers but MFD or HFD is garbage and it is sad to see

a once great company like KLIPSCH stoop to the level of this junk.

ANYONE defending the use of garbage materials in the manufacture of so

called QUALITY speakers is delusional and anyone stating that they have

never seen or or heard of real wood speakers cant be taken seriously as

someone comming from a knowledgeable basis.

Mark Voigt Jr

Providence RI

PS...I dont hide behind a ficticious name.

[Allan Songer]

MDF is not masonite. Period.

Go to any high-end furniture showroom and have a look at the $20,000 dining tables. ALL of them will have veneered MDF tops. It's flat and stable and far superior to plywood for veneering--period. It's also CHEAPER and not as strong. A trade-off for sure.

Personally, I prefer the older models too--for a number of reasons.

[oldbuckster]

Hey look another Dump in a Bag salesman; What is this forum coming to? I Sir speak for NO ONE but myself, and I take exception to your attitude towards the purchase of my new H2's. I bought new because I didn't want to chance E-bay,and chance being sorry for buying old, used speakers. Then you come on the forum, proclaiming that Heresy II's are garabage, Klipsch is Junk, made of cardboard, and of low quality, what are you thinking about? I waited along time, asked alot of questions, researched the product, and decided to buy new H2's, left overs actually, where were you then, no input from you, just cheap comments after the fact! Mark, come on guy, if I went on E-bay and did the same to you, you'd be pissed too. You are entitled to run a business, and run it the way you see fit, but to come on this forum, and spread that type of manure, give me a break. What did you think would happen, no one would respond, wrong, guess again. I don't want to waste any more of your time, but you just made me so glad I bought new, and didn't waste my money on E-bay. Who knows I might have bought your speakers!!

oldbuckster; Robert E. Doane

PS; I just looked at my post again after a good nights sleep, thought maybe I was wrong posting this, but I'm not wrong. Re-read your post, can you honestly say that was a proper post to put in this forum? If I went and posted that your product is garabage on E-bay, would you not be offended by that? You have a right to your opinion, as I do mine, it is just your choice of words that's offending, not your opinion. Good luck with your business.